Hey Freeper Trolls whining about MoveOn.org's ad - one question?

[RiverStone]

Why were your britches not in a bundle when John Kerry's patriotism and service was being attacked by the Swift Boat Ads? :shrug:

And as long as your here, check out all the threads on what has happened with MoveOn.org's fund raising goal this past week! :hi:


peace out~

[JustAnotherGen]

1. n/t'.

:rofl:

Because only Republicans get to be 'tweated like poor widdle babies getting picked on by us big bad wolves'.

Turn about is fair play boys and girls.

What are they going to do anyways? Find out our names and start a campaign like Stormfront has against the Jena 6? I wish they would. Bring it on Nazis!

[Billy Burnett]

2. Kerry wounded himself (for a medal), Betrayus didn't.

Get the facts straight --> http://mediamatters.org/items/200408200005


:sarcasm:

[Sparkly]

3. And not just Kerry...

His shipmates, other witnesses, the US Navy itself, and everyone else who was awarded a medal (because, according to them, they're so easy to "fake" and get undeservedly, surely they're all suspect).

[RiverStone]

4. And Max Cleland!

Media Matters
8/15/06

In his August 15 column, Wall Street Journal OpinionJournal.com assistant editor Brendan Miniter wrote that "the American voting public" has "tended to side with the War Party," and presented as evidence the claim that former Sen. Max Cleland (D-GA), "a Democrat with an honorable military record and who lost three limbs in Vietnam, was voted out of office for being too soft on the war on terror." Miniter also claimed that Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), "another softy," lost his 2004 presidential bid "after being savaged for calling for a 'global test' in the use of American military power, waffling on the war in Iraq, and allegedly inflating his service on a Navy swift boat." In fact, the reasons Miniter offered for Cleland's and Kerry's electoral defeats were actually the byproducts of the Republican smear campaigns aimed at both men.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200608150009?offset=20&show=1

[noise]

5. The comparisons aren't accurate

Moveon.org specifically criticized Gen. Petraeus's honesty in relation to the success of the surge policy. The notion of betrayal was directly related to his 'dog and pony show' surge report.

The right wing went much further with their attacks on Kerry to the point of making fun of his Purple Heart medals.

[LittleClarkie]

7. And for my money, anyone who got a purple heart from the Navy

since apparently they don't know how to give a medal over there.

[patrice]

6. And Max Clelland "That Coward"!

And John Murtha "That Cut-and-Runner!"

All the Repuglic whining does is show what blasphemous hypocritic pharisees they are. But I guess that doesn't matter to them, because they're "Right" and EVERYONE else is wrong.

:sarcasm: (cubed)

[Catshrink]

9. But they defend the biggest chickenshits of all:

AWOL Georgie and 5 deferments "I had other priorities at the time" Dick

[patrice]

11. Absolutely Insane! nt

[napi21]

8. I have a much more fundemental question for the freepers than that!

Go look at that ad again! DO you see the QUESTION MARK after "or Betray US?"?

That, idiots, indicates a QUESTION! NOT a statement!

The ad was ASKING if the good General was going to testify to what HE really believed, or was he going to be the good WH water carrier and continue to totally support his bosses position.

YOU were the ones who misinterpreted the ad!!!!

YOUR PROBLEM not ours!

[bunkerbuster1]

10. I doubt more than two (2) percent of all right-wing loons bitching about the ad

have actually read it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. Including george. I highly doubt that moran even saw the ad let alone read it.

[patrice]

12. And that misinterpretation is THE hallmark of an offensive defense.

One does not need to go on the offense against that which is untrue, because that which IS true is, by definition, inevitable, hence the offensive defense.

Does any of that make sense?

[0rganism]

13. but for the ubiquitous question mark, Fox News would be sued for libel weekly

"Does the Democrat party hate America?"

"Are American anti-war protesters helping Al Qaeda?"

"Is the secular left waging a war on Christmas?"

"Nuking the Middle East: justifiable response to Islamic aggression, or divine retribution?"

etcetera etcetera et-cetera

[2rth2pwr]

14. Not everyone who was bothered by MoveOn's ad

is a "Freeper Troll"-

"MR. RUSSERT: Let me show you an ad that has caused a lot of controversy in this debate about Iraq. MoveOn.org took this ad out, “General Petraeus or General Betray Us?: Cooking the Books for the White House.” Do you believe that General David Petraeus has betrayed the American people?

SEN. CLINTON: Absolutely not. He is a man of great honor and distinction who has served admirably. I don’t condone anything like that, and I have voted against those who would impugn the patriotism and the service of the people who wear the uniform of our country. I don’t believe that that should be said about General Petraeus, and I condemn that. I didn’t think it should’ve been said about Senator Cleland or Senator Kerry. I think it’s important that we end this kind of attacks on the patriotism of those who serve our country." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20941413/page/2/

Who says that the swiftboating of Kerry was ok? If you are bothered by the attacks on Cleland and Kerry because of their military service, you should also be bothered by the attack on Petraeus before he gave any testimony.

[NMDemDist2]

18. it's considered an attack to quote the man's statements and point out they are not

supported by the truth?

I don't see that as an attack, I see that as holding our leaders to accountability.

have you read the ad and the documentation that backs it up?

if not, you may want to take a look at it

https://pol.moveon.org/petraeus.html

[2rth2pwr]

20. At least keep a little credibility and run the ad after he

starts his testimony.

[lpbk2713]

16. What the hell would chickenhawk freeper types know about the military?

Rethuglicans don't ever serve in the military, they expect someone else to do their fighting for them.

They are so dense they need to have it pointed out to them every now and then how their heroes had other plans when it came time to defend their country.



The rethuglicans and their 'distinguished' records of defending their country ....


George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; Daddy got him assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up when ordered for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
Ronald Reagan: due to alleged poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
Jeb Bush: did not serve.
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
Tom Delay: did not serve.
Roy Blunt: did not serve.
Bill Frist: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Trent Lott: did not serve.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve
Phil Gramm: did not serve.
Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
John M. McHugh: did not serve.
JC Watts: did not serve.
Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
John Engler: did not serve.
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.


Pundits & Preachers


Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F due to pimples on his ass)
Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Michael Savage: did not serve.
George Will: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Bennett: did not serve.
Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
John Wayne: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
Ralph Reed: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.
Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
Ted Nugent: did not serve.

[Vektor]

17. Funniest thing about that...

If you wade over to FR, they keep trying to perpetuate that ridiculous myth that the military is mostly made up of conservatives.

Despite the aggressive, non-stop efforts to brainwash military personnel with anti-Democratic propaganda, that STILL is NOWHERE close to true.

If it were, Faux News would have been screaming from the rafters the percentage of enlisted personnel that voted for Bush in the 2004 election. If there were any majority at all, the MSM would have exploited it. That stat was never released, though. Wonder why? ;-)

[karynnj]

21. It likely was not that stacked for Bush

The votes added after election day include a lot of the military vote - at least that was the case in Florida, when it was explained in 2000. Someone did the obvious calculations and Kerry got 53% (I think)of the votes that took longer to count.

[Vektor]

23. A good friend of mine who's career military...

...said that overall, enlisted personnel voted about 60%-40% in favor of Kerry.

Soldiers in the field are scared shitless of Bush's inability to lead, and his complete lack of foreign policy skill.

[karynnj]

24. Wow, no wonder the numbers never came out

I am surprised because I had heard there news sources were limited to rebroadcasts of people like Rush and various people on teh Fox network. I would have guessed your numbers, if they actually got to hear Kerry speak to them on military issues. He, more than anyone else in the political world, seemed to convey a real sense of knowing the complicated situation they were in - wanting their sacrifices and accomplishments to mean something, but fearing they possibly were being led in such a bad direction - that they were unlikely to. The hardest parts of Tour of Duty to read were those where Kerry was contemplating that he could die for something he did not believe would do any good and hoping that his friends who died had not reached that conclusion. (It was interesting how close he was to what became his most famous question in a few quoted journal entries.)

[RiverStone]

25. Invite your friend to join DU

:hi:

I'm tired of rightie propaganda which includes a false assumption that ALL in the military walk in lock-step for Shrub.

Just look how many prominent rethugs on The Hill actually served ---- NOT!

More and more, folks with military credentials are actively opposing the idiot Commander in Chief.

[Vektor]

26. I probably should.

I'm not sure if he'll join - he's never been much for chatting online or using message boards, etc...he calls himself "technologically challenged" but he is a Democrat, and totally fed up with the current administration.

[creeksneakers2]

19. Right wing propagandists

Called General Zinni and other generals who spoke out against Bush "Clintonistas." David Limbaugh said Zinni "put a smile on Osama's face."

[DesertRat]

22. Excellent question

DU seems to be crawling with freepers lately.