Who Is the Poll Co. NTS and Why Have They Eliminated Kucinch From Inclusion?

[leftchick]

as a result of this thread about the manipulated polling phone calls in NH that do not include Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1877359

I decided to try and find out more about the company doing the polling, NTS. Here is the only thing I could find so far. Here is a snip from the page. If anyone can help I would appreciate it. Please post it here. I have also let the Kucinich forum know.

Thanks....


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2519/is_8_24/ai_107423486/pg_2


National Telecommunications Services Washington, D.C.

Phone: [phone]

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URL: www.ntsdc.com
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Email: [e-mail]

Party Affiliation: Democratic

Years in Business: 23

Services Offered: Persuasion Calls, Volunteer Recruitment, Data Processing Capability, List Rental/Sales/Match/Merge, Strategic Planning/Targeting, Grassroots Lobbying Experience, GOTV Experience, Fundraising Experience, Interview & Research, Computer Assisted Capability

Firm Profile: NTS is the MAJOR NATIONWIDE PROVIDER of political and grassroots phoning to campaigns, associations, progressive public policy groups, and organized labor. Founded in 1979, NTS has completed more than 150 million calls in 50 states.




In Touch Systems Roswell, NM

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Services Offered: Persuasion Calls, GOTV Experience Firm Profile: Deliver your message, in your candidates own voice, directly to thousands, or even millions of voting households in a rapid, efficient, and low-cost manner.




The Clinton Group, Inc. Washington, D.C.

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Party Affiliation: Democratic

Years in Business: 30

Services Offered: Persuasion Calls, Volunteer Recruitment, Data Processing Capability, List Rental/Sales/Match/Merge, Strategic Planning/Targeting, Grassroots Lobbying Experience, GOTV Experience, Fundraising Experience, Interview & Research, Computer Assisted Capability




HERE is their website..... http://ntsdc.com/

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[fenriswolf]

1. hmmm companies

that are hired to make political calls, geared however you want for you're polling pleasure this is sick, obsfucation, corporate greed.

[leftchick]

2. The DNC, DLC and NH Democratic parties hire them?

I imagine that is where the wording in the Polls comes from. :grr:

[warren pease]

3. "persuasion calls" = push polls

And this was a classic example of one, in which the desired result is predetermined by the questions asked or the choices given. By excluding DK, they confine responses to the more "acceptable" candidates -- acceptable to the oligarchs who value continuation of the status quo over all else, since that's where their money comes from.

wp

[leftchick]

4. there really should not be polling

except for Exit polling. Is there any way to counter act this? Are there any non-biased Polling companies? Is Dennis aware of this??

:(

[warren pease]

9. Yeah, he's very aware of it...

...as is his campaign. As to banning all polling except exit polls, I suppose there's some kind of First Amendment right pollsters could claim to keep their revenue streams intact.

My favorite way to counter polls is to lie. Unless they provide me with a choice or answer that I can support, I just pick the response most offensive and destructive to republicans and go with that.

I doubt there's such a thing as an un-biased *anything* these days. This country is so polarized that I'm constantly amazed we're not in the middle of Civil War 2.0 And I assume this extends to pollsters as well. I mean, what the hell is a Democratic polling group? I suppose it's simply a nice way of saying "yes, we conduct manipulative push polls that have no basic in reality or statistical validity, but it gives back results the paying client wants to hear."

And I posted the DU thread from yesterday on DK being excluded from that phone poll on his campaign website. Nobody seemed too surprised; situation normal, same shit different day, comes with the territory. So I guess everybody's OK with the idea that he's consistently and intentionally marginalized by every single mass media outlet, and now polling companies have jumped on the bandwagon, too.

Ah well... I've been told by the finest minds in TV punditry that he's unelectable, so who the hell am I to differ with such overpowering wisdom?


wp

[dmallind]

5. Do they include Krueger and Lamagna?

If not then there's your answer - candidates with absolutely no chance of garnering anything more than marginal support are not included. If they DO include these others, then yes perhaps you have a point and it really is a vast anti-Kucinich conspiracy.

[leftchick]

6. that is balogne

how in the world would you know how popular a candidate is in the Democratic field if you don't ask? They are not Asking. They do not want to know!

When polled after the ABC debate Kucinich came out first in spite of his being marginalized with his photo cropped and given half the time to speak. The M$M and the DLC do not want his Liberal and Popular message heard...


http://action.dennis4president.com/blog/view/id_661/

[The Wielding Truth]

18. I was worried about swift-boating, but I think this is the tool of

choice to suppress support for Kucinich. - Shutting him out.

The more the public here's his message the more they want him for President in '08.

I think if he can scale this fence then he can jog to the whitehouse.

[Richard Steele]

8. That's quite a stretch. nm

[cui bono]

12. What??? That's ridiculous. If you don't give someone the choice how are they

going to answer with it. The thread posted by the person who got the call said he tried to give Kucinich as his answer and they would not allow it.

That's hardly an innocent poll.

Including even more people doesn't factor into this at all.

[dmallind]

29. You're looking at the wrong angle here

Why would polling companies be interested in levels of support for candidates who cannot mount an even remotely viable campaign with any chance of winning? It's not that they have NEVER asked about Kucinich. It's not that there isn't a months-long history of his support being barely outside decimal places let alone into the double digits he'd need to be in to make a difference.

The reason the companies won;t take Kucinich as an answer is they want people's choices from viable candidates. They would not have taken Krueger or Lamagna either for the same reason no doubt.

You can pretend all you want that Dennis would be trouncing the field if only people heard about him, but frankly that's self-deception. There are countless ways people have been exposed to his message, and there is no DLC gag on his website or campaign materials. He's at levels of support so low that he's been removed from major polls because that's the level of support he can drum up. No conspiracy needed.

[cui bono]

30. Yes it is that they never asked about Kucinich.

It absolutely is. Not only that, when this person picked him as his candidate they would not accept him as the answer. They would only take one of the other candidates that they decided should be on the list.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1877359


You said yourself "the companies won;t take Kucinich as an answer". So you're contradicting yourself and you prove my point. The poll is rigged. They don't want anyone to be able to put Dennis into the equation. You can pretend all you want that it's rational but it's not. It's rigged. I never said Kuch would be trouncing the field, though he would certainly rank higher than the M$M allows him to be, but he would show up, and I'm certain it would probably surprise you. By not even allowing him to be given as an answer, even as a "write in" the poll is absolutely indefensible. And of course it's a conspiracy. Someone chose to do that, and I'm sure it wasn't just one person. Just as they choose to cover only the people that big business is interested in having in office. You can see the people respond to Kuch in the debates, he speaks to them and when they hear it they know it. You are fooling yourself if these push polls and corporate media aren't dictating who our main candidates should be.

And you can throw in Krueger or Lamagna but they weren't even included in the debates and aren't getting any coverage at all, so don't Kuch in with them. Hell I had no idea who Krueger was and didn't know Lamagna was running. Kuch is a long standing member of Congress.

[LWolf]

7. Thank you for posting this.

It points out what I've noticed for some time; poll numbers are used to manipulate voters, and poll results are manipulated to serve those polling or paying for the polls.

If we want clean elections, the polls have to go.

Anyone who would like to persuade me to support a particular candidate, bill, or position, will not include polls in their talking points.

[Joe Chi Minh]

14. I believe in France they don't allow polls until the last voting centre

has been closed.

[LWolf]

25. A smart way to handle the issue. n/t

[leftchick]

28. what a democratic concept!

amazing we do not do it here. :(

[leftchick]

26. yes indeed

it is part of a mutli-pronged attack on our democratic system. And it is working under the radar, bigtime!

:(

[LWolf]

33. I hope, seeing the OP,

that it's at least showing up on the radar of a few at this point.

Frankly, the use of polls may have more impact on election results at this point than candidates' campaigns or diebold. :shrug:

[cui bono]

10. "Services Offered: Persuasion Calls"

Sounds sinister. My money's on Hillary.

[Trillo]

11. Whois

Domain name: ntsdc.com

Registrant Contact:
NTS Communications
NULL NULL (NA)
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Fax: NULL
122 C Street, NW
Washington, DC 20001
US

Administrative Contact:
Advanced Computer Learning & Consulting, Inc.
Susan Baer ([e-mail])
+1.2023641000
Fax:
P.O. Box 5401
Washington, DC 20016
US

Technical Contact:
Advanced Computer Learning & Consulting, Inc.
Susan Baer ([e-mail])
+1.2023641000
Fax:
P.O. Box 5401
Washington, DC 20016
US

Google leads to: Advanced Computer Learning & Consulting, Inc.
which gives this excerpt:

Susan Baer, President

Susan Baer, President of Advanced Computer Learning & Consulting, Inc. has trained and supported over 4,000 Washington, DC area computer owners since 1994 in an atmosphere of warmth and professionalism. Susan has over ten years of experience training employees of American Express® Travel Related Services, small consulting firms, large legal firms, and non-profit associations. From 1994 until 2000 Susan has also been a Trainer/Project Manager for Productivity Point International, Inc. of Washington, DC.

Susan appears on Fox 5 TV News, when they call on her to advise the public on critical technology topics of the day, such as the Year 2000 date changeover, and Internet hacking. She also makes Cable TV appearances in the Washington, DC area. The Washington Post and EXBTV.com consult Susan for expert advice and statements. And she hosted Washington's Tech Tips on WGMS FM Monday afternoons.

Susan founded ACLC in 1994 so she could offer one-on-one and group training and support to home users, small businesses, large firms and corporations. Her goal is to customize training and support to meet your needs, and to offer strategic consulting to assess your hardware needs, upgrade your computer systems, and recommend hardware and software purchases.

Prior to launching her own computer training and consulting business, Susan designed and managed training programs for American Express® partner companies in the US and abroad. She began teaching computers to staff members at the French Embassy's Press Department in 1987.

...

Susan is a member and speaker for the following organizations: GE Foundation Entrepreneurs, Women's Business Center, Small Business Administration, and the National Association for Female Executives.

The entry from John Baer is also interesting, the name itself seems familiar for some reason.

[leftchick]

15. GE Foundation?

One can not have a peace candidate when the objective is WAR! :grr:

[Trillo]

20. I seem to recall some scandals regarding Small Business Administration

something about laundering money and grants intended for small biz to what is really defined as big biz, then falsely claiming it was "small biz".

I can't find anything quickly regarding Productivity Point International, Inc. of Washington, DC, though that name seems used by several different companies located elsewhere.

It strikes me that the interconnections between democratic and republican interests meet at the big corporation and Big Money to the detriment of everyday citizens and candidates like Kucinich.

I used to think that the election selection system in the U.S. wasn't so corrupt as it appears to be. The democrats and republicans point fingers at each other, claim to have much different philosophies, but are they now just creating much noise and a false distinction to enable the interests of corporatism?

[Desertrose]

13. Very interesting!

Thanks for taking the time to research this & posting.

Makes sense......

DR

[Gregorian]

16. This needs to get to Kucinich, Olbermann, Amy Goodman.

I emailed Democracy Now, but with no details.

[leftchick]

17. send my links

I sent them to the Kucinich forum as well. Talk about your David and Goliath! :(

[Gregorian]

22. Done.

This is a very important discovery, I think. One of many fronts against democracy. I'm glad we found it.

[Freddie Stubbs]

19. They are also excluding Roland Aranjo

http://www.democracyrevival.com/

[leftchick]

21. they should ALL be included!

so much for a democracy eh? :(

[Canuckistanian]

23. Ah yes, I remember this

I thought the survey was particularly unscientific because they left out even an "Other" choice.

Which leads me to believe that they are some kind of an agenda-driven organization.

My guess? A DLC front organization.

[leftchick]

24. they proudly list the DLC as a client

along with other corporate "democratic" groups. It smells bigtime!

[TahitiNut]

32. Where? I don't see the DLC listed.

:freak:

(DLC = Democratic Leadership Committee)

[OzarkDem]

27. All pollsters will be worth watching

Thanks to this information, I'm going to be asking the name of any polling company that calls me re the primaries.

Perhaps we should also ask our leaders why they're hiring GOP firms to do their polling?

[tritsofme]

31. I would imagine the support for those candidates is statistically insignificant.

Hence polling for them is a waste of time.

[Trillo]

34. You're making a presumption, one which could be unwarranted.

That is that the poll in question is truly intended as an objective and accurate poll.

One other possibility for consideration is that while it appears to be a poll, its true purpose may be something else, such as filtering by framing the primary's candidates, prepping the called persons with name recognition, false education and or manipulation, etc.


Many people are resistant to sales techniques. By embedding a sales presentation in some other, non-sales format, and repeating the message enough times in these and other formats, such as corporate media, conscious resistance to the message is lessened.

In this case, it is not "a waste of time", it becomes the primary purpose and intent.