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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 03:03 PM
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NYT editor slams paper over 'General Betray Us' ad
Edited on Sun Sep-23-07 03:57 PM by cal04
The public editor for The New York Times slammed his employer Sunday in a column, saying the newspaper violated its policies by cutting MoveOn.org a deal on a controversial ad criticizing the top U.S. military commander in Iraq.

"I think the ad violated The Times' own written standards, and the paper now says that the advertiser got a price break it was not entitled to," wrote Clark Hoyt, who analyzes the newspaper's coverage as the "readers' representative."

The public editor works outside of the reporting and editing structure of the newspaper, and Hoyt's column states that his opinions and conclusions are his own.

In his Sunday column, Hoyt wrote that MoveOn.org "paid what is known in the newspaper industry as a standby rate of $64,575 that it should not have received under Times policies. The group should have paid $142,083.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/23/nyt.moveon/index.html?section=cnn_latest
here's his article
Betraying Its Own Best Interests
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/23/opinion/23pubed.html?ref=opinion

a little bit about Hoyt
“Under Clark’s leadership, the Knight Ridder Washington Bureau has achieved an amazing record of skepticism of the administration’s claims about going to war in Iraq,” he noted.
http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2006/5/16/hoytDeliversKnightTalk

The New York Times yesterday named its next public editor, Clark Hoyt, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter and editor who oversaw the Knight Ridder newspaper chain’s coverage that questioned the Bush administration’s case for the Iraq war.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/04/business/media/04paper.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 03:06 PM
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1. Wuh-oh...
And here I was thinking that this dumb manufactured "controversy" was on its last legs.

It's Aliiiiive!
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 03:07 PM
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2. I think Democratic ads should cost $2,000,000,000 per word and
republic ads should be free...then the bushit white house would be happy and that is all that really matters.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 03:07 PM
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3. Well, they probably have the money to make up the difference on the discount
now that they are on their way to making $2M off this debacle. I saw NOTHING wrong with the ad. It asked a question. It did not "call names", but asked a question, then gave facts about what he was going to say and why he was making $hit up. With sources. All news sources seem to hate those pesky facts right now because their corporate sponsors don't like it.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 03:08 PM
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4. The Times initially claimed that MoveOn paid rack rate.
This will not be pretty.

A dumb stunt just went stupid.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 03:11 PM
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5. NYT should be grateful for the increased circulation n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 03:15 PM
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6. Call it atonement for Judith Miller
If the Times and others hadn't been cheerleading for the war, the ad wouldn't have been necessary in the first place....
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 03:34 PM
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7. woo-hoo....more money-raising..
for Move-on! I hope they keep getting their hate-on...seems to work wonders.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 03:36 PM
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8. This public editor deserves to be completely ignored.
That is all.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 03:53 PM
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9. they didn't seem to have a problem with the swift boat ads or pushing us into this war
this is why the MSM in this country is irrelevent


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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 03:58 PM
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10. Will they settle for Zero, next time?
because publicly dissing your advertisers AND announcing their rate like that should end the relationship.

MoveOn should move on from using them for their advertising. the NYT isn't the only game in town.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 05:12 PM
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12. "The NYT isn't the only game in town." Says who?
Progressive and Democratice organizations have had problems leasing billboards, posting ads and airing documentaries since the fascists came to power in 2000.

Remember,in the 2004 Presidential Campaign, Joh Kerry and the Democratic National Committee had problems buying airtime and leasing billboards in large, red swaths of the country.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 04:52 PM
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11. Yes, the New York Times should remember that it is the official
mouthpiece of the Bush Crime Family. For Shame! And to think of all that wonderful propaganda Judith Miller was paid by the Times to churn out.
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