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Sun Sep-23-07 05:12 PM
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Why do we have primary elections? |
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Edited on Sun Sep-23-07 05:12 PM by Echos Myron
Why do American taxpayers continue to legitimize the two corporate parties by funding primary elections. In the end, they have their conventions and pick their own leader anyway. What good does it do? These political parties should fund their own process.
All we are doing is strenghtening the corporate parties' grip on our democracy.
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:14 PM
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1. For parties to choose their nominee. |
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:15 PM
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2. For "Parties" to choose |
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So, why should taxpayers pay for these expensive elections?
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:18 PM
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3. I don't object to a culling process for parties, but voter registration |
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and participation should not be linked to party membership nor should other parties be forced out of the system.
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:21 PM
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Why should taxpayers FUND the process of parties culling the list of candidates?
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:30 PM
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10. I'd rather the taxpayers in general fund it that a few wealthy individuals |
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:31 PM
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Considering the corporations are funding the damn thing anyways.
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:49 PM
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19. Well, hell, let's just box it up and hand it to them with a pretty bow on top. |
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No need to bother with voting at all then.
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Sun Sep-23-07 10:11 PM
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23. What in the world are you talking about? |
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If the Democratic Party or Republican Party couldn't be trusted by their own party to nominate a candidate during a convention, then what are we losing?
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:20 PM
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4. Without a primary, NOONe could EVER get a majority vote! |
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Primaries don't stop a third Party candidate from running. Remember Perot? He did quite well, even in the General Election.
If you really want to push for more than 2 Parties, you need to start with all the State regulations that make it next to impossible to get on the ballot.
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:22 PM
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The Democrats and Republicans could elect delegates and go vote at the convention.
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:25 PM
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7. We could go back to the old method of party bosses trading their bloc of votes |
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in smoky back rooms at the convention.
primaries are much more open and democratic.
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:32 PM
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to expect these processes to be public.
Elections are a right.
Primaries are not.
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:26 PM
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8. Convention picks for a presidential candidate are history. It's the state primaries |
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that decide who will lead the ticket(s).
And lots of people - from all walks of life - have a vote in them.
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:33 PM
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My tax dollars should not go to help the Democratic Party elect Hillary Clinton or the Republicans elect Mitt ROmney.
THey can't put whoever they want up there, and I'll make up my mind if I don't like it.
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Sun Sep-23-07 06:00 PM
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20. Your tax dollars go to fund the election process, not the candidate. |
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Yeah, states hold primaries - and the mechanism is state funded - and the national election mechanism is state funded as well, via taxation. But your taxes don't determine who the candidate *is*, just the actual election procedure.
The states and the federal government are responsible to see that elections happen, as a function of the Constitution, a right for every eligible voter and a responsibility to a democracy.
Who runs, and what parties have a voice are another issue - not tied to taxation at all.
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Sun Sep-23-07 10:07 PM
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21. I am totally fine with paying taxes for elections |
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I am not fine with paying to help a party select a candidate.
There's a HUGE difference there.
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:28 PM
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9. To give the impression that the people have anything at all to do with who the leaders are. |
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:32 PM
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13. So we can pick the slab of meat who will best represent us..sorta |
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:shrug: My picks never win
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:32 PM
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14. Because we are too stupid to implement IRV/concordat systems. n/t |
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:46 PM
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16. what we should have is a runoff ballot |
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for those of you who do not know a runoff ballot is one where you choose your candidates in order of precidance, the #1 votes are tallied and for the candidate(A) that got the least amount of votes they are stricken from the voting and the people who put voted for candidate (A) now have their votes count for candidate (b) or number 2. Imagine how many people would vote third party with this kind of system in play, definatly wouldnt hear any more arguments about being a traitor to the dems or "throwing your vote away".
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:46 PM
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17. I smell a Naderite disruptor... |
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Sun Sep-23-07 10:08 PM
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22. I smell a hall monitor who wants to stifle debate |
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Sun Sep-23-07 05:48 PM
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18. A coin toss just doesn't address any issues |
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Sun Sep-23-07 10:20 PM
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24. If we had instant runoff elections |
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not only would we not need primaries, we would not need political parties either. Now that would really frighten the people who donate large sums.
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