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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 02:46 AM Original message |
A case against mandatory life imprisonment or the death penalty for sex offenders |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. As with most things |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yes, precisely. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Yeah... I used that example deliberately... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. Indeed. |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:33 AM Response to Original message |
4. That case of William Elliot is sad |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. I didn't say that 90% of these crimes are committed by someone... |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. DOH! |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. You and me both, friend. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 05:47 AM Response to Original message |
5. I agree with you for several reasons, first and foremost is my position that the death penalty is |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. As I noted in the post, recidivism rates... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. I didn't say anything about recidivism rates for "sexual offenders", only that of |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Nevermind that you didn't actually link to a study. |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
6. Kick. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
7. Protecting the children? How about punishing the fucking rapists? |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. It is not true.... |
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the other one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Re-offending means AFTER punishment and release. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. They are punished. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. It sounds very much to me like the Ann Coulter approach to retribution. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
8. I think it is absolutely CRAZY and PSYCHOPATHIC to sentence a nineteen year old |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. That is the insanity |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Wow, the disinformation here is really sad... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
39. Indeed, it is. |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
53. I think that was the point |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
65. It seems to me we are saying what you are saying |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
9. It is possible to have harsh punishment.... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. A response |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
11. Good points |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
13. One size fits all - no, but I say let the upper end be extended to at least life (if not DP). |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. I'm not sure. Couple problems, though. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Are you willing to allow for life-imprisonment for some cases or DP in some cases? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. DP? Probably not. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
15. Expect some major flames for this |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. It is ironic |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I've been a victim's advocate |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I think there's a reason behind it. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Those probably would be contributing factors |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
17. THE MENTALLY ILL ARE EVIL!!! POSSESSED!!! |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Excellent point. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. The voice of reason! |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. errr, we're talking about criminal sexual violence, not mental illness. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Pedophilia is a mental illness. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. you don't have to be a pedophile to commit a sex crime against children. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Someone who RAPES a 5 year old is just evil, not sick. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Who are you arguing with? No one here said sexual assaulters are evil |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Read all the posts. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. your analogy is lame. I'd shoot my horse if I couldn't be sure of people's safety. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Except we're talking about people. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:24 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. His analogy not mine. I agree that one sentence can't do all sex offenses justice |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:40 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I see. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:35 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. sigh. you're making straw men out of what I said. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Speaking of strawmen... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. No. |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
57. If pedophiles could be identified without error... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:50 AM Response to Reply #57 |
63. What? |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
33. Sex crimes are good for politics |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Along with fearmongering |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Yes, sex offenders are an easy political target. |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. The best way to fight these laws is probably on legal grounds |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I agree. |
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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
42. Where's the DU pedo-lynch mod? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I'm here. :hi: |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:16 AM Response to Reply #42 |
55. I was actually surprised. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:33 AM Response to Original message |
56. They aren't one size fits all laws... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:57 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. No, they don't. |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:41 AM Response to Original message |
58. Strawman crap. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:53 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. That's ironic. |
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