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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 09:51 AM
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Unbridled Rightwing Hate
Edited on Mon Sep-24-07 09:53 AM by Buzz Clik
Polarization is one thing. Complete disregard for your fellow travelers falls into a completely different category of behavior.

This tale starts here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1877466&mesg_id=1888423

LiberEsto shared a story of standing in support of some Quakers at an anti-war demonstration, and she encountered some Freepers in a counter-protest across the street. Click the link and read the OP for details.

Well, it seems that some of our brethren from across the aisle (who are completely obsessed with DU) picked up on this story and made some modest attempts to discredit it. After calling LiberalEsto every name imaginable, one of the leaders of the Freepers from "across the street" (called Trooprally in Freeperland) shared a long, personal interpretation of the incident. It seems that this is an ongoing incident that repeats itself every weekend. Our Freeper friend has a son in Iraq and spends many (all?) of his weekends counter protesting.

We can forgive him that. His son is there, and we all have to deal with that reality some way or another.

But here's the kicker: During this discussion, a left winger offered unconditional emotional support for Mr. and Mrs. Trooprally and their son in Iraq. He wished the family well and said he understands the hardships they endure. Here is Trooprally's response verbatim:

And I will have to decline your well wishes. Something immoral about accepting it from someone who defends these idiots. Being new (here) and reading your few posts on this thread, I have a "disdain" for you.


Wow. What a complete asshole.

Please, read the thread from the link above. It is easy to visualize this prick screaming at elderly Quakers with a bullhorn.

Oh, yes -- Mr. Trooprally also claims to be one of the Freepers invited to the White House this past week. Birds of a feather...
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 10:06 AM
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1. Yuck
Seems he can't put aside his personal vendetta.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 10:09 AM
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2. Clearly, this is not about supporting his son or the other Americans in Iraq.
He has been blinded by his despise for those who stand in opposition to him.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 10:13 AM
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3. Thanks, Buzz Clik!
As I mentioned on the original thread, the freepers' little panties seem to be in a bunch over the thread, "The War in Olney, Maryland."

The thing that intrigues me the most about their comments was that none of them addressed my point that they all looked to be able-bodied and of age to be in the military. They called the old Quakers cowards several times during their tantrum (I refuse to dignify it by calling it a counter-demonstration), but if they consider themselves so brave, why are they here in the U.S., picking on a group of 80-year-old grannies and grandpas, instead of fighting Iraqis face to face?

It is always amazing to me how the hyper-patriots that profess to love war the most, are the ones who never sign up to serve. Bush went awol from his cushy position in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War, partied, and never finished his obligation there. Cheney, the head cheerleader for bombing Iran to smithereens, never put his own dainty ass in harm's way -- he got himself 5 deferments during Vietnam because he had "other priorities."

DUers have compiled long lists of pro-war Republicans who have refused themselves to serve in the military, keeping their precious skins safe while forcing other, poorer Americans to fight their battles for them. These self-same "patriots" slander genuine war heroes like John Kerry and Max Cleland, but heaven forbid they should risk their own right-wing butts in combat.

If these right wing nut jobs love their wars so much, let them go fight the wars themselves.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 10:19 AM
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7. you should add John McCain to that list
granted he is a neocon a$$hat, but also a genuine war hero that they had no compunctions about slandering in South Carolina.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 11:24 AM
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13. My pleasure.
Your OP from the original thread was quite an interesting read. It conveyed your thoughts and views but was missing the usual saturation with hyperbole and invective. It provided quite a contrast to the rebuttal post from Mr Trooprally who, although not your typical Freeper lunatic, filled his response with sweeping generalities and a constant drumbeat of guilt by association for the Quakers.

Here's the entire post, for those with morbid curiosity (I have sanitized his post -- every reference to the cesspool where this is posted has been replaced by "the hatred asylum"):

We, my wife and I share the screen name, have just today signed into "the hatred asylum" this morning because of WinOne4TheGipper's request on FReeRepublic. We are also know as "Trooprally" on FReeRepublic and Gathering Of Eagles. We are also the FReepers that started the Olney, MD Support the Troops Rally in Olney. We have been out on the corner since Dec. 31,2005. We have missed only one week, this past Sept. 15, because we were all at the big Gathering of Eagles Rally in D.C..

The Quakers, or "Qauckers" as we have labeled them, are not so innocent. They have been protesting America's wars since WWI. In the Olney area there is a Quaker Meeting House so there are a lot of them around. My guess is that they do not want to be identified because most Quakers do adhere to the basic Quaker beliefs. They believe that their religion is a global one, with no allegience to any country. I need to point out that this group of Quakers has previously pleaded for help from the local Quaker community with no results.

That is why they do not fly any flags. So why they get upset about us calling them unpatriotic is beyond me.

While the Quakers are all up in age, their presence does hurt or troops and if we we not out their, the Olney community would think they are the only game in town. With us out their, the Olney community knows they are not alone in their thinking. In Vietnam, with no counter voice to the leftists, the 'silent majority' was born. But we won't be silent this time. Our military needs us to guard their backs on the home front.

The Quakers are also the front group for PeaceActionMC (MC for Montgomery County, MD) and closely connected to Raging Grannies. Both groups advocate "civil disorder". Their civil disorder includes busting Recruiter windows and gluing the locks. This has been documented by thier boasting on leftists web sites. PeaceActionMC has a picture on their web site of their meeting in the Quaker Meeting House. So the "Quackers" are not so innocent as they pretend.

Protesting with the Quakers is MOBilizing Mothers. They were formerly named Mothers Opposing Bush (MOB), but since President Bush won reelection, they had to change their name. This is a younger group than the Quakers.

And we do not hide the fact that we are part of FReeRepublic.com

With that Prelude about the anti-troop protesters, our group of FReepers consist of many Vets, even one Iwo Jima Vet and 2 Korean War Vets. Our son is a Marine currently serving in Iraq.

We get 10 times the amount of honks and waves as they do. We have passerbys stopping all the time. They bring coffee during the winter and water during the summer, or they just stop by to Thank us. The Quakers have some, but our supporters far out number theirs.

And YES!, we do engage in verbal confrontation of the protesters. Numerous times we have had bull horns blaring. Not sure why this week was any different other than aomeone with a screen name on DU posted something. We have even "occupied" thier corner similar to their Recuiter offices occupation, just to give them a hard time. And the bantering does get intense.

As LibertyLady posted excerpts from our threads on FReeRepublic (Thanks. LL) 3DJoy had to turn to one Quaker and tell her that she doesn't approve of the foul language she was using. The other Qakkers had to shut their own up. Another time it took the Quakers 10 minutes to calm down one of their own after she got red in the face upset about our bull horns and us blaring out the truth.

This past week, we had a new, young person on the bull horn. He started in with some not to cool words and we immediately reminded him of our rules. But he has earned the right to confront the leftists and that is all I can say about him. As he learns the rules of our Rallies, he will be a great addition to our group.

And our singing of "God Bless America" or Battle Hymn of the Republic" really grinds on the Quakers. We know this from a conversation with them when we were occuping their corner one week.

And our banners. I want to Thank them for their compliment as to their professional look. All but two banners (out of five) and four signs (out of 30) are home made. One professionally made banner was given to us in the Spring of '06 by a Vet who just returned from Iraq. The other was given to FReeRepublic for the Walter Reed Medical Center Support the Troops Rally and we use it in Olney. The other three banners we made by a fellow FReeper. Most of the signs were made on my larger ink jet plotter in my office. We plastic wrapped some of them so the ink doesn't run in wet or snowy weather. The four professioanlly signs we had made early in our membership of FReeRepublic because we wanted all weather signs. And we paid for them. No George Soros deep pockets associated with FReeRepublic.

The week of Sept. 08, MOBilizing Mothers had 3 large banners that we professionally made. The Quaker's signs are hand made but are so badly made, that a passing can barely read them. And the hand made Quaker banner usually falls apart in windy weather.

Jeez, did this get lengthy! I'll keep an eye on "the hatred asylum" so if anyone has a question, I'll get back to them.

T

Well, Mr T -- thanks for holding down the fort. If you weren't on that street corner spewing endlessly at a bunch of aging Quakers, then Congress would grow some stones to end this war, Bush would lose his obsession with Iraq, and the terrorists would start blowing themselves up in our living rooms.
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 10:14 AM
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4. That sort of hatred is born of stupidity...
it is a shame really.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 10:16 AM
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6. Mostly it is a shame because you can't fight it.
I would say mostly it is born of DELUSION, and the problem with that is for people like him the delusion becomes reality, and then you can't fight it.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 11:30 AM
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14. I really don't understand it, even making allowances for confounding circumstances.
Edited on Mon Sep-24-07 11:31 AM by Buzz Clik
In my entire life, I have never seen this kind of attitude. We had a member of our family in Iraq for two tours. Our Marine knows damned that that we oppose the war in Iraq, but there is no question in his mind that our support for him and his comrades is unflinching and unconditional.

Normal human beings are able to separate political ideology from our day-to-day personal lives. To deem "immoral" the acceptance of support in a time of strife is foreign to me. This guy is a Vietnam-era vet, has a son in Iraq, and is roughly my age. We share much in common, but his attitudes are unfathomable.
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 01:59 PM
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18. You aren't from the South are you?
This same sort of idiocy is on display daily there.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 10:14 AM
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5. That phrase should be one word: UNBRIDLEDRIGHTWINGHATE.
I don't like endorsing "NEWSPEAK," but if the shoe fits.

Maybe someone could translate it into German. When they need a new word, they sort of "build" it by tying together a bunch of existing words.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 10:28 AM
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8. It takes a special kind of person to decline the offering of best wishes for
a child's safety in a war zone. When your personal ideology trumps an offer of goodwill for a family member, I think you have lost your moral compass. This person wants to be bitter, wants to hate "others", and seems to be willing to sacrifice his own to further his political agenda. Sadly, if his child is lost in Iraq, he won't hold the administration that put him in harm's way for a flawed political/financial agenda, accountable. He will blame the people who understand the true nature of this conflict and who have actively tried to keep his son and all of our brothers/sisters/sons/daughters/mothers/fathers/nieces/nephews alive by bringing them home now.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 11:32 AM
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15. Fantastic post. You summarized it perfectly.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 10:44 AM
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9. Pit Viper is a better person than I am.
IF Mr. Trooprally has done a "good" job in raising his son as a jerk just like him...

AND Mr. Trooprally Jr. doesn't have a wife or small child back in the States...

Then I don't give a rat's ass about Mr. Trooprally Jr.'s fate.

I hope you're reading this, Mr. Trooprally. Now go sodomize yourself with a pineapple. Sideways.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 10:49 AM
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10. They can't accept sympathy?
Wow...
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 11:03 AM
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11. My guess is that they never received it
from their parents when they were children. They were raised to be "tough" and "manly", but deep down inside I think they are emotionally wounded, with permanent scars. They would rather die than admit it, though.

In order to be able to love others, you have to be able to love yourself. My guess is that these people are so filled with hate for others because they are also filled with self-hatred. It's a pity because they keep handing it down to their own kids, and so on.

If they have someone in combat in Iraq, my heart goes out to them, whether they like that or not. I hope their child comes home safely, as I hope everyone else currently serving in that hellhole eventually finds peace.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 11:04 AM
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12. Pick up a snake, expect to be bit. - n/t
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 11:35 AM
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16. Hm. That's a bit cynical, but I cannot deny the truth in your comment.
I would not have identified him as a snake, I guess. Just a guy trying to be a supportive father from thousands of miles away.

I'd have been wrong.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 11:39 AM
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17. The world is a dangerous place. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. - n/t
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