Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is what you get when you allow religions to control governments

[Stinky The Clown]

That isn't an anti-religion statement.

It IS a pro-separation statement.

When you allow religions to control governments, you also get Afghanistan and the Taliban.

When you allow religions to control governments, you also get wars and hatred and armies of fanatically blind followers.

[BOSSHOG]

1. Your fourth paragraph is bush's America

christian conservative zealots are the constitution's number one domestic enemy.

[Parche]

5. Hey Boss

Why do you hate Krishtuns? :rofl: :rofl: :hi:

[BOSSHOG]

7. Because they want to fuck with my constitution

All those wonderful submarines and crews that you so graciously show us in your posts were designed to protect the constitution, not allow zealots to roam free and do their damndest to dismantle it.

[Totally Committed]

2. So is George Bush.

Just saying.

TC

[leftchick]

3. so is gwb

"he is a religious man"- Scott Pelley 60 Minutes CBS Sept. 23, 2007

[blondeatlast]

4. Yep. You also get the likes of W, as others have already pointed out. nt

[bullimiami]

6. what exactly has iran done outside their own country.

i think nothing.

there are a lot of oppressive regimes, many more oppressive, some muslim, some not.
china, pakistan, saudi arabia, turkmenistan... most of these seem to be on pretty friendly terms with the us govt.

im not a big fan of how iran runs their country but lets be honest. Being friendly with the US right now is only about money and power and nothing to do with human rights or religious freedom.

[htuttle]

8. True, but...

The impulses that got Ahmadinejad elected were more nationalistic than religious, in my opinion. Most Iranian-watchers (who aren't of the neo-con variety) say that Ahmadinejad's popularity before he was elected rose in direct proportion to the amount of anti-Iranian rhetoric spewed by our own Monkeyboy-in-Chief, in particular lumping them in with Iraq in that whole axis-of-evil thing. That was as insulting to Iranians as if a President lumped Greece and Turkey (or Japan and Korea) together...

[KharmaTrain]

9. Any Extremist Ideologue

The corporate media has created some kind of new Stalin/Hitler/Atilla The Hun out of what is a hack politician. And politician is the operative word here as this man WAS elected and his job is as contingent on winning an election as it is with the blessings of the mullahs. I see so much in common between him and boooshie boy...talking shit to distract from the cesspool government operating beneath. Many reports from inside Iran shows he's not that popular, but the people see attacks on him as attacks on their nationalism. Remove those attacks and his support slips away as well...he becomes irrelevant. But the corporate media has a new boogie man to slap around...and the booosh regime is urging it on...so this isn't gonna happen.

Organized religion is an ideology as much as a faith. It's based on a social structure and a rigid control system. What difference is there between a Pope selected by a College of Cardinals or a Leader selected by the Supreme Soviet? In most cases, faith is perverted to serve ideological purposes and we're seeing that in many parts of the world...a reaction to changes that have questioned the control these religions have enjoyed for centuries. It's a struggle that ultimately is doomed to failure as human nature always wants bigger, better and its curiosity advances its overall view of its world...and with it the ideology of religion.

The problem is more the ability of ideologues to still dominate the body politic...to mask itself in a religion or behind a flag to mask its true ambitions.

Cheers...

[Bitwit1234]

10. One hundred per cent correct. BUT

true religion does not need to control. True religion is of the spirit and it leads people to do great things for their fellow man. Not destroy countries and kill people and try to conquer the world.

[jillan]

11. As Thom Hartman pointed out this morning -

he was elected to office by the people of Iran.

Bush was not.