Forget Papers Please, it's Blood, Saliva and Breath please.

[Ripley]

Weird how so many folks want to discount this story because it was initially linked from WND. Well here's the Colorado story with a video that explains what happened.

Many questions should be asked, beginning with WHY did the Deputy Sheriffs ALLOW this in the first place? A private company has government authority to roadblock innocent civilians and subject them to hardcore "telemarketer" tactics to give it up.

See a pattern?

http://cw2.trb.com/news/kwgn-invasive-checkpoint,0,2092732.story

[ThomCat]

1. If people were coerced, then I hope there is a major lawsuit

coming down that road. x(

[Ripley]

6. Hi there.

So nice to see another friend around here ThomCat!

Coercion is often the sticking point. Indeed the sticking point when speaking of those awful "Good Germans."

Many here seem to think that it is no big deal to just open up your wallet, purse, mouth or vein if it's the government doing the inspectin' after all if I got nothin' to hide and I'm a law-abiding citzen...

Money was offered. Government was there allowing the proceedings to occur.

The part that bothers me the most is that a private company (and not even a big player like Halliburton) was given this kind of access to travelers.

Very odd indeed.

[ThomCat]

10. Hi Ripley,

I think fascist Italy is a more accurate model. Government and Corporate America are becoming so intertwined that both look at us as nothing more than a market to manipulate, or a resource to extract.

Abe Lincoln was very wrong. We don't have a government of the people, by the people, for the people. I don't know that we ever did, but if so, we certainly don't anymore. :(

[Ripley]

11. Models.

Well, I'm not smart enough to know which socioeconomic historical model of government applies best to our situation right now. All I know is that the lack of any historical knowledge has allowed many people to become either oblivious (NIMBY) or submissive to such blatant actions documented from Ohio to Florida to Colorado to.. you name it.

But wouldn't you think that there would be agreement here that stepping stones towards those horrible governmental practices were WRONG? And that it doesn't happen over night? But in increments.

[ThomCat]

12. You're absolutely right.

But if you post the defining characteristics of Fascism and point them out to most people they'll attack you as an anti-american fascist. How crazy is that? :(

People are so fanatically convinced that we are not a fascist county that they refuse to see it as it happens, which only makes it easier and more likely to happen.

People are convinced that we aren't a police state too, and that belief is making it possible for our government to get more and more invasive and intrusive. People insist on looking the other way.

[Ripley]

13. Comforting I guess, to be in the "good student" seat.

I just got off the phone with an acquaintance who wanted me to do an "art day" at her 6th graders school. I told her what she was asking me to do was not very creative and open for the kids (too dumb and long to go into) and suggested something else. She told me Neil Boortz or however you spell it said Art was dumb anyway.

Weird stuff ensued. Never really knew this person, it seems. The minute it got political, she killed me as a friend. She even said this: I majored in Econ in college, so don't even go there!

[Lance_Boyle]

2. once again, please call or write ORI to register a complaint

The Office of Research Integrity deals with these issues, and has authority to sanction investigators/research groups who act outside of the normal ethical bounds of research involving human subjects.

http://ori.dhhs.gov/

PIRE should definitely be sanctioned for conducting human subject research in a decidedly unethical manner (by using coercion in the "consent" process, first and foremost). Please, please, please contact ORI to let them know about it.

[havocmom]

3. Combined with recent adds for 'Trace your ansestry with DNA' one gets curious

They looking for pure race or looking at populations for a possible genetic specific viruses?

We are the new Indians and they want us off their land. I don't put anything past the corporatists.

[soothsayer]

4. 'then the cop unzipped his fly and I said, Oh no, not another breathalyzer!"

[onethatcares]

5. which two federal agencies were they testing for?

that question remained unanswered. I would imagine TSA and DHS, but what do I know? The reason private companies are used for this shit is because they aren't bound by any of the constitutional amendments and they can close the books as to what they learn.

[Ripley]

7. I would like to know that as well.

It's not like they're trying to cure cancer or AIDS with these surreptitious infringements on innocent people's lives.

You know if it was the IRS people would uniformly go ballistic.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. I find the story hard to believe because it's illegal.

You have to sign informed consent waivers to give blood and saliva. You sign them when you go in for urinalysis for a job, and they're unnecessary for field sobriety breath tests.

So my first question is, did it really happen?

[Ripley]

9. Guess you didn't watch the video.

Huh?