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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 03:48 PM
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In 2002 when Khatami was president of Iran, not Ahmadinejad...
In 2002 when Khatami was president of Iran, not Ahmadinejad...

Bush used his State of the Union address to issue what sounded (to the merely human ear) like a declaration of war, supposedly in response to 9/11, against something called the Axis of Evil. This neologism, a mental construct, consisted of three unrelated nations: Iraq, North Korea and Iran. Two of them were enemies to each other, and none of them were actually connected to the 9/11 attacks.*

At that time, Iran's elected president was Khatami, the moderate, the one elected twice by 2/3 of the people in the hope he would bring a genuine social reform to the harsh rule of the Mullahs. Far as I could read this as an outsider, it seemed like he gave it a shot, but was largely frustrated, and left with an economy in decline.

It was on Khatami's Iran that Bush declared war.

It was Khatami's Iran that was not-so secretly the ideal target of the new generation mini-nuke "bunker buster" bombs touted as a wonderful and necessary thing and developed under Rumsfeld.

The Iranian moderates and opposition parties begged Bush to butt out of their politics. They warned that he was strengthening the hand of the hardliners. In politics, it's axiomatic that when foreign powers make threats against a country, they strengthen that country's hardliners.

In 2005, Bush made himself a factor in the Iranian election with warnings that those people had better not vote for Ahmadinejad!

There are those on DU who will say this once again shows the incompetence of the Bush regime, and those who will believe Bush's statements were intended to boost Ahmadinejad so that the U.S. would get the "face of the enemy" it desired. (There are also those who no doubt figure it was the right thing for an American president to criticize this evil, evil monster.)

Now the game enters a phase in which the regime and the corporate media are ramping up a campaign of hatred, fear and hysteria directed against Ahmadinejad. A CBS interviewer hectored him outrageously, the New York tabloids scream lurid headlines: EVIL!

In context of developments in Iraq, Iran and the United States, the function of this campaign is undeniable: It is the propaganda preparation for the regime's already announced, unprovoked war of aggression on Iran, a war that may kill millions of people.

This campaign differs in tone from the WMD-9/11 propaganda used to sell the invasion of Iraq, but is just as transparent. And just like in 2003, I see many people here on DU falling for it. In 2003, many believed there were WMD, even though the only source providing anything that qualfied as evidence (the UN inspections records) made it clear that this was impossible.

Now, DU members are not endorsing a war. They think they're only condemning Ahmadinejad for being odious. In this, they go along with the pretense that the U.S. corporate media suddenly care about Ahmadinejad's views about the Nazi holocaust, or his persecution of gays, that this is why he's displaced Britney and O.J. as the primary target of the news.

There is only one reasonable stance in this debate: It is not with Ahmadinejad, but against the regime that is preparing to wage nuclear war and commit mass murder upon the Iranian people, and against the propaganda machinery that is busily creating the face of the enemy so as to justify the crime.

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Note * i.e., these countries were unconnected to the 9/11 attacks even if you believe the official conspiracy theory of 9/11.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 04:31 PM
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1. think I'm entitled to a rescue kick...
or two.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 04:36 PM
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2. Are you somehow suggesting the emperor has no clothes?
:shrug: America gets what it deserves...
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 04:43 PM
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3. No.
I don't know what America deserves - I know Iran does not deserve what it's supposed to get from America.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 03:00 PM
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31. Your statement implies that he had clothes at one time. LOL nt
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 04:44 PM
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4. We're still in the two minutes of hate.
I must say the outpouring of concern for the rights of women, adulterers, and gays (in Iran) has been most touching though.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 04:50 PM
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5. Yeah, it's going to be a lovely liberation for them, like in Iraq n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 04:53 PM
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6. We seem to be having a mote n beam problem. k&r
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 06:07 PM
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7. I knew I should have given this thread a provocative, shocking title! nt
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 06:11 PM
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9. Yeah, but "Ahmadinejad Sucks" was taken...
:P
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 06:09 PM
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8. knr
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 06:12 PM
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10. Rec'd. nt
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 06:15 PM
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11. Very instructive post. We all NEED this kind of context when
faced with the ridiculous coverage all over the tube today...
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 06:17 PM
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12. K&R. You make some vitally important points here, and I agree with you 100%. Thank you. n/t
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 06:20 PM
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13. K and R
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 06:27 PM
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14. K and R!
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freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 06:27 PM
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15. You've hit the nail on the head Jack!
Thanks for posting!
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 06:34 PM
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16. Great post, thanks...
...for adding actual information to the discussion!

It is so infuriating what has happened with all of this. I still wonder how it is that Americans are just fine with attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9/11...

Unfortunately, I don't think it's only because Americans are stupid, or naive, or brainwashed, although there are some of each and some who are all three. But I think that Americans are used to thinking "pragmatically", that is, they are okay with invading another country for its resources, if that will preserve the 'Murrican way of life for another few years. The other "pragmatic" part of that equation says, well what of international law? who's gonna enforce against the USofA? Huh? Huh?

We are in for a very rude awakening. This piper will be paid, and when the bill comes due, watch out USA. IMHO.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 06:45 PM
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17. Thank you. I have been trying to get this across in my replies.
You see, unlike everyone on DU(ok, excluding maybe one or two), I have a very personal interest in this. I still have family living in Iran, and I don't want them bombed!

Ahmadinejad is a figure-head president, just as Khatami was; they both had to answer to the group of mullahs that actually set policy for Iran.

There is no need to vilify their president for his views when half of the ME thinks the same way. There are many who doubt the western take on history in the ME.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 08:11 PM
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18. Bollinger!
Thanks for the kind comments.

In the meantime, I've seen Bollinger jump on the bandwagon. Doesn't matter whether he thinks he's doing the right thing in denouncing the reprehensible Ahmadinejad - he is entering the lockstep in the propaganda designed to prepare Americans for an attack.

Also: Such piggish manners. Actually, if he had saved his comments for afterwards, it would be all right. But you do not do that to someone you have invited.

It only makes him look good. He gets to say the obvious: In Iran, we'd never treat a guest speaker this way. We'd let the audience decide.

How the hell did the U.S. establishment manage to make Ahmadinejad look so much more civilized than they?

But with this coarseness and hate-drive -- it's hard to imagine that the media and pundits and politicians and a large part of the people won't all be yelling yeah, yeah, yeah as the bombs begin to drop.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 08:14 PM
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19. Kick
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 10:00 PM
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:42 AM
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21. Good point- thanks for posting! n/t
PB
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:18 AM
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22. Thanks (K&R). It has nothing to do with who is naughty and who is nice. It is about the PNAC
plan for geopolitical domination by military force for the extension of the power of global capitalism. Those DUers who buy into the personality bashing game are being played for fools, and serve only as useful but ignorant pawns.
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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:46 AM
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23. I appreciate the effort, but honestly...
...after today (and yet again), it's obvious that there is no hope.

None whatsoever.

Moreover, it's finally dawned on me that the deficiency is ours.

You see, the problem with people like us is that we never properly learned to "multitask".

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 08:51 AM
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24. I thought I knew what you meant...
Edited on Tue Sep-25-07 08:52 AM by JackRiddler
At least in the first 2-3 lines. (Which I read as follows: After today's unalloyed outburst, it is obvious that Americans will remain in neurotic lockstep with the propaganda, the deficiencies are ours.)

But what follows suggests a different reading that eludes me.

What do you mean? A PM will do...
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 09:33 AM
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25. K & R
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:11 PM
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26. thanks
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:33 PM
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27. Yeah the media is a farce, Bush is an ass and this is still true:
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:59 PM
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30. Interesting...
Your second link (remember this?) leads to a story about Kerry saying Bush has made the U.S. an international pariah - an a picture of Kerry at the Davos tete-a-tete of the capitalist elites, meeting with ... former Iranian president Khatami.

Well, let's see how he and the rest vote on Kyl-Lieberman.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 03:13 PM
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32. Khatami was there
so not everyone there was a capitalist elite, isn't that the way the media and Repubs like to characterize it when it suits their purpose (as they did when Kerry attempted to filibuster Alito)?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 03:31 PM
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33. Are you aware of what the Davos meeting is?
It's the annual convention of capitalist elites. Many national leaders attend.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 03:54 PM
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34. Here:
According to its supporters, the World Economic Forum is an ideal place for dialogue and debate about the major social and economic problems of the planet because: representatives of both the most powerful economic organisations and the most powerful political organisations are present; intellectuals also participate; and there is a generally informal atmosphere encouraging wide-ranging debate. Journalists have access to most session at the Annual Meeting in Davos and the majority of sessions are webcast live so that the debates can be open to a wider public. In all about 600 journalists from print, radio and TV take part in the meeting. Whilst business and political leaders make up the majority of participants, NGO leaders from groups such as Amnesty International, Transparency International, Oxfam and various UN organisations attend, as well as trades union leaders and religious leaders.

link


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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 04:03 PM
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35. As I said. Thanks n/t
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:40 PM
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28. K & R
:kick:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:42 PM
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29. k&r
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 07:32 PM
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36. Yes, it is transparent, isn't it?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 07:55 AM
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37. apparently not to everyone
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 07:58 AM by JackRiddler
A lot of people say they're against a strike on Iran - but repeat the very same propaganda being used to prepare the strike on Iran.

Never mind if the literal content of the hate speech against Ahmadenijad is true. (It is, and yet it is still hate speech.) He speaks to the UN every year. Funny that last year's visit to NY didn't earn all this condemnation.

Moo! Moo!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:15 AM
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38. Ah, kick again...
If everyone agrees, what's that shitstorm going on in the other threads?
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:20 AM
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39. Ahmadinejad had been very unpopular with the Iranian people until Bush started
beating the war drums. Now they are rallying around him.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:28 AM
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40. Good Points Riddler!
When the bush/cheney reign of terror had this speech written do you think they had bombing Iran, in the future, in mind and is it for their OIL and to keep the pentagon war machine alive and well?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:42 PM
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41. Well, how is one supposed to interpret it?
It's been almost six years.

They said, 9/11, act of war, everything changes, we will hunt them down. Then they said Axis of Evil and included Iran. Then they established the Bush doctrine of preventive war triggered at the executive's discretion on the basis of nothing more than a vague Congressional resolution. Now they're threatening military action because of non-existent Iranian nukes (precedent: non-existent Iraqi nukes). How is one supposed to understand this, in context of prior plans like PNAC, as not already constituting a state of war?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:53 PM
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42. That's what I think..the pnacers on the
March with the cmw's and the dlc propping up their reign of terror.

We would have been on our way out of this tragic mess were it not for cmw and the dlc.
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arendt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:21 PM
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43. This deserves to be back in the limelight. Kick n/t
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:19 PM
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44. Why thank you, always good to hear from you. n/t
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:22 PM
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45. I agree. (nt)
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:57 AM
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46. You're dead-on, Jack, absolutely dead-on.
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