Hillary Clinton Has A 95% Americans For Democratic Action Rating

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Clinton D + + + + + + + + + + + + + + - + + + + + 95%


http://www.adaction.org/2006Senatevr.htm

She's not my favorite candidate but can we please put the canard that she's a crypto-Republican to rest?

[jaysunb]

1. No !

n/t

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. I guess it's more exciting to do a nader-esq / Malloy rant about Hillary &

corporations rather than stick to the facts.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Not Many Empiricists Here

eom

[BlooInBloo]

8. Yup. They *claim* to be reality-based, but in fact have always been just as faith-based...

... as the other side.

[emilyg]

14. of course. No brain power required.

[TheUniverse]

3. Proof that these ratings don't matter.

Noone who voted for the biggest blunder of this generation (The Iraq War Resolution) should get a 95 percent.

[JackORoses]

4. She supports War. She thinks it is necessary.

Just because it's unpopular now, she is speaking against it.

But mark my words, if she is elected, War will continue.

[oasis]

5. Hmmmm. There are so many here who claim they know "not one person who supports her".(eom)

[Klaxon]

22. I have heard a few here and there on the radio.. or NPR..who say they do.

I honestly don't know anyone personally who does support her... and I have a pretty sizable stable of friends and acquaintances ... most of them are REALLY 95%-100% liberals, there are a fair amount of Libertarians... and even one or two token Repiglicants outside of inlaw family.

Not one supports her, I am in Wisconsin..a supposed LIBERAL state, many here are devout progressives...and most of them exhibit signs of physical revulsion at the thought of her.

I know why.. and I feel it too.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Here We Go Again...

I polled seven people, a trial lawyer, two editors, a graphic designer, two retirees, and a landscaper...Five are for Hillary and two are undecided...

I'll see your anecdote and raise you...

[Klaxon]

36. raise me all you want..

She is never getting my vote...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. I'll Get Over It

:rofl:

[Klaxon]

55. Will you...

I don't know what I want more...

I know I want you people in pain, because your condescension and lack of humility needs punishment...

But I am not sure how I want you to have it... Rudy or Hillary...

Give you what you are so afraid of... Or give you the same thing painted in the scheme you want it in.

Either way.. your desired path and feared one leads to Mad Max world... I just want to see your face when you look upon that world you have created with your arrogance.

This a chat room? they why all the emoticon whoring?

[Lucinda]

79. What would you like on your pizza? n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

101. "I know I want you people in pain,.."

BAWAWAWAWAWA


I guess DU is cheaper and more accessible than therapy....

[durrrty libby]

51. I am quite sure you have no friends, except those horsies in the stable

[Klaxon]

56. Do you fail at everything?

Or just humor...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

95. You're Quite Popular Here

You must be a smash in real life...

[BlooInBloo]

6. And a 92% Progressive rating from ProgressivePunch. Nothing like that matters to DUers....

... They KNOW she's not a Democrat, therefore everything in the world is filtered according to that lens. Classic Kuhn.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Pardon My Ignorance But Who's Kuhn

eom

[BlooInBloo]

30. Thomas Kuhn: One of the 4 or 5 most important thinkers of the 20th century...

... Far and away most famous for "The Structure Of Scientific Revolutions", but his book on the Copernican Revolution basic reading in that field. He took his doctorate in particle physics (Harvard, I believe), and more-or-less immediately turned into one of the greatest philosopher-historians of science the world has known.

As an indication of how fundamental his work is: My first day in low-level grad phil of science seminar, we were told that we wouldn't be reading SSR in class; rather, it was assumed that we had internalized it. Thankfully it's a wonderfully engaging, fascinating, window-in-mind-opening read. Short too - like 200-250 pages.

The work of other kickass thinkers is based in large part on Kuhn - the most immediate that come to mind are Quine and Rorty.

To make my reference intelligible, this link might help:

http://philosophy.wisc.edu/forster/220/notes_8.html

(talking about whether oxygen was *discovered* or *invented*, and tenable the distinction ultimately is)
KUHN: "...after discovering oxygen Lavoisier worked in a different world." (p.118) "after Copernicus, astronomers lived in a different world." (pp.116-7)

"until that scholastic paradigm was invented, there were no pendulums, but only swinging stones, for the scientists to see. Pendulums were brought into existence by something very like a paradigm-induced gestalt switch." (p.120)

We could add our own examples. After evolutionary theory, human beings became just another primate. After the "darkenings of the sun" were explained, they became solar eclipses. After atomic theory, water became H2O. And so on.

Similarly, Clinton-haters live in a world within which they KNOW Clinton is evil - thus, everything that comes down the pike MUST be accommodated within that framework, that paradigm.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. I Remember It Now-From Political Research Courses

We had a long discussion of whether science is cumulative or not; or whether new paradigms replace old ones...

[TheUniverse]

18. Whenever you support a war that has killed hundreds of thousands of innocents.

A 92 percent rating from something means jack shit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Then Edwards, Biden, Dodd, And Richardson Are Unacceptable As Well

And are crypto-Republicans...

[BlooInBloo]

32. Such facts aren't part of the world Clinton-haters live in.

[Klaxon]

33. Ok

All of those named are Unacceptable...

I can go along with that, I will only call them all crypto-Repuke's if you toss in Obama as well...

No Obama.. No deal.

[TheUniverse]

45. That is a major problem.

Thats Why I wont vote for anyone who supported the Iraq War, unless Im forced to. I do not support Edwards, Dodd, Biden or Richardson in the primaries. Anyone who couldn't make the proper judgement when the Country needed them to, does not have the proper judgement to be president.

[Klaxon]

61. Indeed.. we need a REAL change of course

...Not steered by someone who made the giant greedy step in the first place...


Or one who wants to keep... "ALL options on the table" because of some nuanced talk and some mistranslations.


But wait a minute...Hey NUCLEAR war is FUN!

[Klaxon]

7. No!

She is exactly that...

But then again the whole Democratic part has slipped very right.

But then again your making a vast assumption that the same people don't own both sides.

While I would rather face that cold hard fact...

www.theyrule.net

Go do some digging on this site for 20 minutes.

nuff said.

[porphyrian]

9. It's not just voting records that make people say these things...

...it's her corporatist leanings. Bill had them, too, and he bears some of the responsibility for the deregulation nightmare we have today.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Her Votes Are What They Are

Americans For Democratic Action pick twenty bills a year that they feel best represents liberal values...Hillary voted "correctly" on nineteen out of twenty of them...

[porphyrian]

20. Right, which doesn't necessarily reflect her corporatism.

What President Clinton did was show that Democratic policy doesn't necessarily have to be anti-corporate. However, the majority of corporate interests lie far to the right of the average person, as blatantly expressed by the current administration. I was simply pointing out that the problems people have with Senator Clinton are often due less to her voting record than, say, her association with Rupert Murdoch.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Did You Know Newscorp Contributed To The Gore 00 Campaign?

I'd take his money too if I was running and then do what I thought was best...

[porphyrian]

28. Taking someone's money and calling them a friend are two different things. - n/t

[Name removed]

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[BlooInBloo]

15. It's not reality that makes people say these things, it's NON-reality.

:rofl:

[porphyrian]

21. You don't believe Senator Clinton is a corporatist? - n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. No More Than Biden, Richardson, Obama, Dodd, Or Edwards Despite His Protestations

eom

[porphyrian]

27. I don't disagree, but we were talking about Senator Clinton and why people don't like her.

Corporatism is why I don't like the others you mention as well. And, just because "everyone" is doing it, doesn't make it right.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. The Nominee Is Going To Be One Of Them

eom

[porphyrian]

53. Maybe, maybe not, but that still doesn't make it OK. - n/t

[BlooInBloo]

35. I believe she votes 92% progressive. I believe she has a 95% progressive rating...

... from the OPs outfit. I can give you the DETAILS on what each of those beliefs cashes out as (or you could go to the websites yourself).

What, exactly, is the reality behind "leaning corporatist", if not her voting record?

[porphyrian]

50. You've got to be joking. I know you're smarter than that.

Voting records only measure how people vote on what gets to a vote, which is usually some watered down compromise with a number of unrelated attachments that can be just as likely the reason they voted the way they did as their support (or lack of) for the bill. Defining someone's position only by their votes ignores everything else about them, like fundraising and public statements. Are you really denying that Senator Clinton is a corporatist?

[BlooInBloo]

57. I'm still waiting for you to flesh out what "corporatist" *means*....

EDIT: I know she voted AGAINST the Bankruptcy Bill, unlike Biden, but votes don't matter to you, so I realize that's not helpful. So I just don't know what you're specifically referring to.

And don't ever bet on my intelligence. I'm American.

[porphyrian]

63. You suddenly can't use a dictionary?

I didn't say votes don't matter to me, so I have no idea why you made that up.

[BlooInBloo]

69. (shrug)

[porphyrian]

71. Heh, you silly person. - n/t

[emilyg]

17. I miss America under Bill.

[porphyrian]

24. Lots of people do.

I liked him about as much as I didn't, and by comparison to what's come since, he was a god.

[Klaxon]

44. .

Best Republican president this country has ever had.

[porphyrian]

60. I don't know that I'd go that far, but he was certainly not the most left-wing Democrat ever.

He got the economy turned around in the right direction after the reagan/bush rape, so most people were blissfully unaware of the concessions he was making. Unless, say, you were one of the homosexuals he made promises to during election year, then abandoned, for example.

[Klaxon]

34. uh

He bears more then some...not all .. but definatly more then some.

[porphyrian]

38. Some can be anything between none and most, and he doesn't deserve "most."

He simply continued what Reagan started and the bushes carried on.

[Klaxon]

72. ..

One big happy social club...

If you squint your eyes just right...








Nahh they are just doing whats BEST for US...

[porphyrian]

73. At least Clinton threw the rest of us a bone while stuffing their pockets. - n/t

[Klaxon]

75. ...So

A serial killer rapist is going to get you to go along by giving you sweet treats as they drive you to your final breathing place?

What we were tossed were human bones.

[porphyrian]

78. I didn't say anything like that, exaggerating drama person.

I was simply keeping things in perspective and making light of a shitty situation. I didn't realize you were stuck on "fight."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. He 's A Toothache Of A Man

eom

[porphyrian]

83. So am I, but you're still talking to me.

;)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

88. I "Know" You

eom

[porphyrian]

90. Heh, senior privilege...(kill the newbie!) - n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

93. Actually I'm usually quite pacific

eom

[porphyrian]

96. Yeah, but only feelings get hurt here (for the most part). - n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

97. Some Folks Take This Board Too Serious...Some Not Enough...

eom

[porphyrian]

100. ...and some take it juuuuuust right.

I've done all of those by now.

[Klaxon]

82. I apologize, I do not "flee" well...

I understand what he did, what you said... and what you were trying to do.

However... Have you looked at the time recently?

We are headed into the abyss as a species, are you familiar with how and why?

No drama or exaggerating... just reality unfiltered.

[porphyrian]

87. Yep. Been here for almost eight years now.

Unless you plan on jumping out of line, the speed of progress is glacial. You better let yourself laugh about it a little or something will pop.

[Klaxon]

94. We should be so lucky...

That it was glacial speed... :evilgrin:

Anyway... with the climate crisis being what it is, ... I think it is common knowledge that the glaciers are receeding... :D

And yeah... It tends to take a seriously dangerous situation for us to make progress, when we do we tend to leap..

But then again... You and I are mearly doing our jobs.

:D

[porphyrian]

98. Man, I hope we get a big progressive leap...

If our situation were a fault line, we'd be overdue for an 11.0 or so.

[durrrty libby]

11. Sorry, Some enjoy and wallow in their ignorance.

[sandnsea]

13. The best bills don't come up for a vote

It's easy to look more liberal than you are when the truly liberal bills never make it to a vote. That's the problem, she doesn't support the real change we need.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. That's Harry Reid's Fault Not Hillary's...

eom

[sandnsea]

26. She has more power than Reid does

She has been running the show on the Dem side since 2001. Every Dem policy & strategy is exactly the way she wants it to be and always has been. Don't kid yourself.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. The Majority Leader Sets The Agenda...

There are many Democrats with more seniority than Hillary...

[sandnsea]

41. Dream On

We aren't ending the war because she wants to run on it, and she supports the global view of the corporatists anyway. That requires control of the oil, which will require continued occupation. I don't think it's any surprise that the most corporatist DUers are the ones supporting Hillary.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. She's One Of 535 Representatives

She's must be omnipotent if she can singlehandedly end the war...

[sandnsea]

49. riiight

Why do you choose to delude yourself? Serious question.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. Americans For Democratic Action Say She Votes Liberal 95% Of The Time

If you believe she's a Republican or whatever in light of that evidence, respectfully, there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

[sandnsea]

65. There are no liberal votes anymore

She's voting on a bunch of far right stuff that is the best we can get because she won't fight for anything more liberal. That's why half the country doesn't vote anymore, welfare or work, it's all the same pit. The top twenty percent go gaga over people like Hillary so they can pretend their morally superior with their 95% liberal voting records, sitting in their gated communities far away from the havoc they've created all over the world. When the riots come, you can't say you weren't warned.

[Klaxon]

46. No doubt...

How wonderfull would it be to SWEEP all of our Tumors out of Congress...

Goddamn I wish someone would open a window in that building.

[juajen]

67. I believe she would be very surprised to hear that she has this much power.

N/T

[sandnsea]

76. All 5 Sunday shows?

I think she knows exactly how much power she has.

[MethuenProgressive]

42. Facts always spoil the HateHill partys. Here's another fact:

The only was the GOP beats Clinton in 08 is with help from Democrats.

[Klaxon]

47. ...Maybe then

You "Love me Love me Love Me... I'm a Liberal" types will wake the fuck up... and start voting with your conscience

[Orsino]

59. Ratings are opinions.

A collective opinion, in this case, and not to be dismissed instantly, but still opinion.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. It's A Bit More Than That

It's a systematic survey of a representative's votes...

[Orsino]

109. When Feingold gets a 100, with Clinton and Obama right behind...

...it's not a measure of anyone's "liberal quotient." The profoundly conservative nature of today's Congress prohibits that.

The scale is between right and far right.

[illinoisprogressive]

52. my senators rate: Durbin - 100% and Obama - 95%

[BlooInBloo]

58. Sweet.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. My Senators Have 60% And 0%

Consider yourself lucky...

But it does illustrate how hard it is to have a candidate with broad appeal...

[Lucinda]

84. Mine are 5 % and 5 %

Can someone please save Tennessee.....

[Klaxon]

89. I feel for you...

I have Sensenbrenner representing part of my state... it sucks because there is not much I can do short of moving to his district to remove that anal cyst from office...oh and wait and pray for him to die.


As for TN, I am sorry... I do not know much about your local, other then the stereotypes.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

62. Love Me, Love me, love me, I'm a Liberal

Artist: Ochs Phil
Song: Love Me, I'm a Liberal

I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
As though I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I go to civil rights rallies
And I put down the old D.A.R.
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I'm glad the commies were thrown out
of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
as long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

The people of old Mississippi
Should all hang their heads in shame
I can't understand how their minds work
What's the matter don't they watch Les Crain?
But if you ask me to bus my children
I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I read New republic and Nation
I've learned to take every view
You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I'm almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea
There's no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I vote for the democratic party
They want the U.N. to be strong
I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I'll send all the money you ask for
But don't ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

Once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
But I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

[Klaxon]

66. And the updated Jello Biafra version

I cried when they shot John Lennon
Tears ran down my spine
And I cried when I saw "JFK"
As if I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcom-X and Ice-T had it coming
They got what they asked for this time

Chorus:
So love me, love me, love me,
I'm a liberal

I go to pro-choice rallies
Recycle my cans and jars
I'll honk if you love the Dead
Hope those funny Grunge bands become stars
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit to far

Chorus:
So love me, love me, love me,
I'm a liberal

I cheered when Clinton was chosen
My faith in the system reborn
I'll do anything to save our schools
If my taxes aint too much more
And I love Blacks and Gays and Latinos
As long as they don't move next door

Chorus:
So love me, love me, love me,
I'm a liberal

Rush Limbaugh and the L.A.P.D.
Should all hang thier heads in shame
I can't understand where they're at
Arsenio should set them straight
But if neighborhood watch doesn't know you
I hope the cops take your name

Chorus:
So love me, love me, love me,
I'm a liberal



Yeah, I read the New Republican
Rolling Stone and Mother Jones too
If I vote it's a democrat
With a sensible economy view
But when it comes to terrorist Arabs
There is no one more red, white, and blue

Chorus:
So love me, love me, love me,
I'm a liberal

Once I was young and had an attitude
Stickers covered the car I drove in
Even went on some direct actions
When there weren't rent-a-cops to be seen
Ah, but now I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in

Chorus:
So love me, love me, love me,
I'm a liberal


:hug:

[MisterHowdy]

68. yes, yes, yes, everyone loves Clinton

I know.
She'll probably win in the primaries, and probably win the presidency.

More war for you!
No healthcare for you!

You get what you vote for.

[hfojvt]

70. that was in 2006 and it's not a very precise measurement

In 2002, for example, Lieberman had an 85% rating, Feinstein an 80% rating, Dodd an 80% rating, and Harkin an 80% rating. Clinton was 95% again. Are we supposed to believe that Lieberman, now a raving independent, was more liberal than Dodd or Harkin?

As I posted in another thread, she has been against the anti-war people since at least December of 2005. I'm not saying she's a crypto-Republican, but if she is running on a progressive platform, I have not heard or seen it yet. Hillary supporters here seem to follow her campaign and most post that a) she picked up yet another big-shot endorsement, and b) she's still ahead in the polls. Other than her recent conversion to ending the war and her copy of Edwards' health plan, what policies is she proposing or talking about?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. The ADA Has Been Rating Representatives For Nearly Sixty Years...

If you don't like their rating system that is certainly your perogative...

[BlooInBloo]

86. They won't like any rating that disagrees with them. They can't....

... She could give babyfood to a baby, and all they would see is Clinton getting the next generation addicted to our corporate masters.

[Klaxon]

92. Not quite that exhaggerated...

We give credit where credit is due... However we are hatching out of the paradigm you guys are still in... The same old numbers tricks don't fool us again and again.

We are tired of the same old bullshit... like this thread.

[Zandor]

81. K & R n/t

[depakid]

85. If people think that she's going to be different than the last Clinton

then they're deluding themselves. She'll govern like a Rockefeller Republican- just as her husband did.

You can forget about responsible regulation of the media or anywhere else, for that matter.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

91. My senator (Cantwell) has a 95% ADA rating and she voted for the war just like Hillary did.

Her vote for the war, cost her my vote in 2006, as will Hillary's in 2008.

[tabasco]

99. 73% ACLU rating and 33% ACLU rating for the last session.

As long as we're posting ratings.


http://civilliberty.about.com/od/ussenators/p/hillary_clinton.htm


edit: link

[DemocratSinceBirth]

102. And A 100% From NARAL And A 9% From ACU

eom

[tabasco]

104. Good for her! Conservatives hate her!

She must be doing something right.

She needs some work on those civil liberties, though.

I hope she is in favor of scrapping the Patriot Act.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

105. TY For The ACLU Ratings

I'll look at em closer...

[Sufficient Voice]

110. This rating is closer to how I would rate her.

I mean if we continue to erode our civil liberties--those other votes won't mean much, much longer anyway.

[onenote]

112. bringing that up to date: her current aclu rating is 60 percent not 33

The ACLU ratings for this congress are only based on five votes thus far. Clinton voted with the ACLU position 3 times, against twice. By way of comparison, Dodd has a 50 percent rating, based on 2 for/2 against and one not voting. Obama has a 75 percent rating 3 for one against, one not voting. If Dodd or Obama had voted for the ACLU position on the votes they missed, their ratings would be higher; if they had voted against, their ratings would be lower.

http://action.aclu.org/site/VoteCenter?page=congScorecard

edit to add link

[The Vinyl Ripper]

103. I can envison a time

When you will have to have proof of insurance to get a job.

That says all I need to know about Hillary.

[provis99]

106. Well, surprise surprise...She represents New York!

If she becomes President, she will no longer represent only New York. You think she won't immediately start the triangulation? She's a crypto-republican all the way through.

[Triana]

107. It isn't just about HER. Get a CLUE.

DOES ANYONE ELSE think it's a tad bit "interesting"...that everytime Rover or bu$hit or any Repube states that the Repubes will retain the White House in 2008 it is ALWAYS followed by the declaration that Hillary will be the Dem nominee?

DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK that maybe this is why the lamestream corprat-owned media keeps touting the inevitability of Hillary as nominee and stating that she is "ahead" in this-or-that poll on a DAILY basis?

DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE the pattern and the tactic here?

Is it possible that Hillary is being RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS because the Republicans KNOW she'll lose?

Would YOU put this past them? I wouldn't.

[NYC Liberal]

108. How about YOU get a clue.

You think Republicans will attack Hillary any harder than they will Obama or Edwards? Give me a break. No matter who gets the nomination, Republicans will attack them just as much and smear them just as much. Doesn't matter who it is, so long as they have a (D) next to their name and they are running against the guy with the (R) next to his name.

I call bullshit on the notion that Hillary will somehow cause a mass turnout by the Republicans. Republicans despised Bill, yet he had a 70+ percent approval rating when he left office. So obviously he was immensely popular despite that mass hatred by Republicans. Therefore you would think that Gore...the vice president of the man who was so hated amongst Republicans...would have caused a similar mass turnout in 2000. But it didn't, and in fact Gore got 500,000+ MORE votes than George Bush did.

Well the same thing will happen with his wife, "2nd most hated" amongst Republicans. People here will screech about how she's going to cause a huge Republican turnout. And then she'll win. Oops.

DOES ANYONE ELSE think it's a tad bit "interesting"...that everytime Rover or bu$hit or any Repube states that the Repubes will retain the White House in 2008 it is ALWAYS followed by the declaration that Hillary will be the Dem nominee?

The rabid anti-Hillary posters here seem like they are stuck in Orwell's 1984 world. Doublethink: power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them

Belief #1: Hillary is a right-wing Bush-loving Republican and supports all of their policies and ideas.
Belief #2: Right-wing Bush-loving Republicans loathe Hillary so much that they are going to turn out en masse to vote against her.

In the real world, these are 2 contradictory ideas. Not so in 1984 Anti-Hillary World!

[BlooInBloo]

111. Logic matters little to Clinton-haters. They just KNOW she's a republican...

... All else gets "adjusted" to fit that worldview.

[burythehatchet]

113. Being one of the only sane people around must be quite a load to bear.

Thanks for doing it, though. Given my obvious lunacy for not supporting her. I don't know where I would be without you.

:hug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

114. If She Gets The Nomination Her GOOPER Opponent Will Be Infintely Worse...

The GOOPERS are one Supreme Court nominee away from restoring the Court to the pre Civil War staus quo ante...