Could someone help me settle this

[Bluerthanblue]

question-?

Does anyone have some quotes for me where Mahmoud Ahmadinjad actually states the the Holocaust didn't happen?

I just want to read his words for myself, in context- rather than relying on hearsay.

I've made the mistake of taking what is "common knowledge" at face value too many times in my life, and finding out that the twist was twisted.

I'd like to have more confidence in my understanding of 'the truth'.

Thanks in advance.

[dipsydoodle]

1. Wasn't it something

which either got lost in translation or was deliberately mis-translated ?

This subject came up a long time ago here on DU ands some comments were passed at the time by someone who could apparently read Iranian.

[Bluerthanblue]

3. i didn't catch it if it did- and i keep hearing it

being repeated and repeated,

But in all my searching, i can't find any trustworthy quote(s).

Thanks for the reply though-
:hi:

[kdmorris]

2. This is as unbiased as I can get

And, as a disclaimer, I'm not sure how unbiased the Anti-Defamation League is, so you will need to decide for yourself:

http://www.adl.org/main_Anti_Semitism_International/ahmadinejad_words.htm

[Bluerthanblue]

4. yeah, i'd

been there not too long ago, and read it all, but nothing i found there or in any of the links there quite equals the claim that "he says the holocaust never happened." (imo)-

thanks though.

:hi:

[dipsydoodle]

5. Unbiased ?

Are you having a laugh ? It really needs a translation of the original speech from an independant unbiased source. Don't misundstand me - I'm not saying he did or didn't say it.

[kdmorris]

7. I'm not saying he did or didn't either

I just googled it and the first several links were obviously biased. That was the first one I found that would even come close.

I wasn't trying to have a laugh, just find something that was somewhere in the middle.

I don't think we will be able to find a translation of the speech from an independent, unbiased source, but yes, that would be ideal.

[dipsydoodle]

9. We've got the answer

below now !:hi:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

6. Conserning "wipe Israel off the map" To quote his exact words in farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel."

THE PROOF:

The full quote translated directly to English:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

Word by word translation:

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

http://www.amazon.com/tag/politics/forum?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx3GA9BCCVZ3HMD&displayType=tagsDetail


I'm guessing his other words were 'mis-translated' also

[dipsydoodle]

8. Much appreciated

I had a feeling it was something along those lines. Was it you who provided that information before ? Thanks again anyway.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

11. not me...

some other marvelously smart DU'er. :evilgrin:

[BlooInBloo]

10. I recall him/iran hosting a Holocaust "questioning" (=denial) conference.