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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 04:48 AM
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It's getting hard...
I believe in most liberal values. That's not open to debate. But it's getting difficult for me to stand up and paint the Democratic Party as a whole as a bastion of such values. Oh, I know there are some great liberal voices in the party, but too much of what's going on in the inner circles reflects a disdain for us on the "fringes."

I don't feel like I'm on the fringes. I may be a little quirky when it comes to ALL of what some folks think should be the baseline Democratic principles, but for the most part I'm on board with women's rights, gay rights, minority rights, environmental protection, free speech (don't get me started on THAT one), the restoration of habeus corpus, real healthcare reform, a solid safety net, and all of that. I diverge from the baseline on things like the 2nd Amendment, I think, but that's not really that big of a thing.

I know what the Democratic Party platform says that they're for. But what are we seeing in operation now? The front-runner in the Presidential primary is arguably the least progressive of all of them (social liberal, but more conservative on trade and foreign policy). A solid chunk of our Senators voted to condemn an admittedly edgy ad by a prominent liberal organization.

I'd like to be able to tell people that the Democrats REALLY offer something different, that they stand for the little guy, but I'm not entirely sure of that anymore. Some do, but some most definitely DO NOT.

We fought hard to get a Democratic majority and we celebrated the victory. But even in the midst of that celebration, I couldn't quite quell a nagging fear that it wouldn't turn out the way we hoped it would. The Republican dirty tricks STILL work nearly as well as they ever did, and that just shouldn't be the case.

It's not as though the solutions (or, at the very least, some resolutions) for many of our problems aren't staring us right in the face. But we can't even get the conservative (blue dog and DLC) Dems to support half of them.

What in the hell are we going to do with these people? We can keep up the barrage of criticism and begging for something to change, but, honestly, how much good is that doing? We can run more liberal people in the primaries against some of the worst offenders, but the party machinery makes such an effort very unlikely to succeed.

Even here we're fractured. Roughly half of us are of the anti-authoritarian bent, distrustful of too much power in ANYONE'S hands. Half of us seem to be okay with a consolidation of power, as long as it isn't in Republican hands. We have different definitions of "progressive," "liberal," and centrist, as well as different definitions of what would make a good candidate in the General Election going up against whatever nitwit or flaming lunatic the Republicans decide to nominate.

I'm not even all that goddam fired up about a candidate anymore. I'd came out for John Edwards, but I'm just not seeing him (or anyone) making the right moves and addressing the real issues that will make a difference in our future. Kucinich has some of the right ideas, but I can't help noticing some of his positions really border on "crackpot" and, well, we have to have a candidate "normal" people can somehow see as the leader of the "free world." I just can't imagine it being DK, as much as I'd like to. I don't mind him being a bit of a crackpot myself, but I'm married to a witch for Gawd's sake. Odd beliefs don't faze me.

I find the front runner a disappointment. I know she's way ahead of the Repugs by any measure, but I'm seeing far too many clues that she'll continue with some of the same wrong-headed and obnoxious foreign policy positions held by the current batch of chickenhawks and that's just not acceptable to me.

We desperately need a new vision in this country. Without that, and without someone who can show us a path forward we haven't seen before, we're going to continue to sink in the quicksand of mediocrity until it's too late to do anything.

I want desperately to see a new world come about, but I'm growing more and more convinced that we're going to continue sucking the life out of the old one until it crumples like an empty beer can to be tossed out the window of a speeding pickup.

We need a source of hope, of vision, of imagination. We either need to find a way to stand up and speak so loudly that we can't be ignored, or someone with the vision and strength to stand up and speak for us.

Or else nothing will change in a world that's desperately in need of change. And that just sucks.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 04:54 AM
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1. Your headline made me, er, snap to attention.
Bottom line is....win the presidency and a veto-proof majority in the Senate. Hillary if elected will be a loyal Dem president. She may be a centrist at times but so was BIll. He angered me alot. However I realized he had to work with the opposition (read: Scumbag Newt). It's just a shame we have to suffer through the next 15 months of angry and futile gridlock.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:04 AM
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2. Yeah, I realized afterward that the thread title might be misconstrued...
Ah, well.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:08 AM
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4. Why is the standard so different for Dems?
Edited on Tue Sep-25-07 05:09 AM by rucky
Why do we have to win the presidency AND a veto-proof majority if Hillary will vote with the dems?

I, personally, would be delighted by some more gridlock until the election, but we keep trying to push through watered-down, crappy legislation instead.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:54 AM
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7. Reid should just send the Senate home until Bitch McConnell
starts cooperating. Which is never since he's a bush-buttlicker puke.
Quick! Give me some SOMA so I can go on extended holiday until 11/08.
That way I wont have to see Chucklenuts's smirky puss on Faux Noos.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 06:00 AM
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8. Actually, it's not
and what crappy watered down legislation do they keep trying to push through? (aside from Iraq). The myth that the repukes got everything they wanted when they held a slim majority is a myth. That's why bush never could push through the demise of the inheritance tax, Social Security and many other items on his agenda. The myth that dems never filibustered in the Senate, is another bandied about mistruth.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 06:23 AM
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9. Actually, there's something to be said for gridlock...
If it's TRULY a situation of two intractable sides coming to an impass, I don't really have a problem with it. That means either a third way will be eventually worked out, or one side's going to give. Our federal government wasn't designed to come up with quick fixes.

As I see it, the problem we have now is that it's NOT gridlocked. It seems that the Democrats in Congress are the ones without the courage of their convictions. THEY'RE the ones capitulating, time and time again.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:06 AM
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3. Half of us are okay with a consolodation of power.
Edited on Tue Sep-25-07 05:17 AM by rucky
I agree. And if that's what half of us have been fighting for, no wonder we're so dispassioned.

I suspect it's also the same half that's been spewing the "Authoritarian Left" meme around here. Go figure.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:10 AM
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5. I distrust power
and doubly distrust people who seem to seek it for its own sake.

Power attracts the corruptible.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:17 AM
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6. ooops. meant "dispassioned"
time for a second cup of coffee.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 06:29 AM
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10. And yet the self-righteous "center"...

...still buys the line of "both parties are slaves to their fringes."

It lets them feel like they are reasonable, balanced people while they
support some really scary right wing memes without realizing just how far
off center they are compared to the rest of the world. Heck a good chunk
of them even like that goose stepper from NYC.

They obviously have no idea what our fringes look like. It ain't DU.

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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 06:47 AM
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11. I'm there with you.
Maybe pigs will fly and Gore will announce - that would fire me up!
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 07:14 AM
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12. Could we have a bigger crackpot than GW* ?
Kucinich is the only Democratic candidate that does not lick the Kool- Aid cups of the right. It is disgusting to me that we discount a candidate who was against the war from day one, believes in Universal Health care ( at least he acknowledges that there is a health care crisis in this country), understands that education is integral to a successful society and believes in diplomacy first before confrontation. I resent comments like crackpot or unelectable on this forum. The way I read it we can expect only more of the same because at the end of the day Americans are really still in High School, wanting only the cheerleader or quarterback to lead us. As 'Dr. Phil' would say, "How's that working for us?" I think Kucinich deserves a good look and some money to help him get the message out. Peace, Kim
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 07:37 AM
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13. I am hoping

Clinton is more of a Trojan horse than she leads people to believe.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 07:39 AM
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14. Politics is compromise, and the Democratic Party is a political machine.
Some disappointment is inevitable, especially since they only have to look better than the GOP to win majorities.

I wish there were more viable parties to keep 'em all (more) honest.
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