Okay, who is in favor of bombing Iran? Please speak only for yourself, btw.

[blondeatlast]

Just for the record, I'm decidedly OPPOSED TO BOMBING IRAN. I hope we are clear on that point.

I expect this thread to sink like a boulder, for what that is worth.

[BlooInBloo]

1. Shoulda made it a poll.

[blondeatlast]

2. Polls are too easy. If there truly is anyone on DU in favor of it,

I want it in the record, so to speak.

[BlooInBloo]

4. I hear ya, but by gaining accountability, you drive them all into the closet.

[blondeatlast]

5. It could be interesting, what with the rumored troll invasion.

I think I will post a poll--or edit this if possible.

Edit--seems to be taking off, so I'll skip the poll.

[nebenaube]

71. rumored? ya think? n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Apparently, everyone who thinks Ahmedinejad is an asshole is in favor of it.

:eyes: :sarcasm:

[Waya]

3. For what its worth.....

...opposed.....

[Lerkfish]

6. Absofrickin lutely NOT in favor.

I'm no tfalling for the demonization black psyops that Ari Fleischer is being contracted to snow us with.

[AlCzervik]

7. yes i am opposed to it and it also seems i'm in the minority because i do not believe

we will be going to war with Iran.

[pampango]

9. There are a few of us, but only a few. n/t

[AlCzervik]

13. thanks.

[MrCoffee]

10. i'm in that minority with you

[AlCzervik]

14. good to hear.

:hi:

[dolo amber]

17. I'm in that camp as well

:hi:

[AlCzervik]

21. :-) Hi Amber, i haven't seen you in like forever.

hope all is well.
:loveya:

[dolo amber]

23. I'm not around as much lately...politics can really get you down, y'know?

As a swift glance through GD on any given day will prove... ;) :loveya:

[AlCzervik]

27. you got that right.

:toast:

[blondeatlast]

20. I'm with you--not going to happen anyway. nt

[atreides1]

22. I'm opposed to going to war

Unfortunately I don't have the same level of confidence in the neo-con administration, or the war-drum beaters like Lieberman and Kyl
who want a war with Iran, that you seem to have!

[WildEyedLiberal]

33. I don't either

I knew from summer 2002 onwards that Bush would go to war with Iraq by any means necessary - it was obvious that he'd set his mind on it. I do not have the same feeling now. He may be beating the drums but he's an impotent, failed lame duck president with no political capital, no available military, and no popular support to enforce his whims, and this time the ENTIRE WORLD - including the majority of the US - knows it.

[Midlodemocrat]

42. I don't either.

I think all the hysteria about bombing Iran is kind of funny, actually.

[TwilightZone]

56. Agreed.

As stupid as Bush is, I truly hope he is not *that* stupid. Iran is not Iraq. The ramifications of bombing Iran would make the Iraq mess look tame in comparison.

[leftchick]

80. I go back and forth

the nuke "incident" on the B52 and the Syria Bombing make me think they will. While I pray cooler heads will prevail. What is especially disturbing is the lack of many Democrats in congress denouncing the idea as insane. They all want to appear "tough on terra".

[tammywammy]

114. I'm right there with you n/t

[EFerrari]

8. One of the main reasons I'm working for impeachment

is because I'm afraid these crazy mofos are determined to bomb Iran AND Syria before they steal the election for Guiliani -- who is raising money from oilmen. :scared:

[Canuckistanian]

11. I don't understand. Are you expecting a positive response here?

Although I imagine if anyone did, they'd get a quick current events lesson, complete with charts, graphs and UN reports.

[blondeatlast]

16. No--that's why I said I thought this would sink like a stone.

But there;s been a lot of accusations being bandied about lately and if there really are DUers who think it's a good idea, I REALLY want to know who they are.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

12. Opposed to bombing Iran -- 100%.

Such an act would be the final blow to our already staggering country. It would be insanity of the highest order that would rally Iranians around a leader they would probably vote out of office on their own when given the chance. It would give the Arab world one more in a long line of reasons to despise us. It could spark a regional military confrontation, with countries such as the US, Russia, and China stepping into the mess using local proxies.

It would make our mistake with Iraq pale in comparision.

[nealmhughes]

89. Actually, the Sunni Monarchies in Arabia would love us to do it, only if Iran didn't counter attack

them in response. It would make the price of Saudi and Kuwaiti oil skyrocket like a Saturn 5 off Cape Canaveral, rid themselves of troublesome anitmonarchial Shia and purge the Persian stench from their holy Arab shores.

To the Wahhabis, the Shia are heretics, with their saints and pilgrimage sites -- many of the shrines in Iraq were destroyed in the 19th Century by Wahhabi armies.

[bdamomma]

15. not in favour.

do we need to kill more innocent people???

[Zandor]

18. Not at this point

But all options must remain on the table.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. Why?

Do you say the same thing about Canada? Or Ireland?

[Name removed]

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[BlooInBloo]

40. "Lieberman" is a compliment to some.

[Zandor]

29. They don't pose the same threat

But you know that.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. Yes, they do.

They all pose no threat.

But you know that.

[Zandor]

37. Iran is a threat

against our troops and allies in the region, including Israel.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. Yeah, and Saddam has WMDs, right?

Do you believe everything you hear on Fox News?

[Zandor]

46. Recognizing Iran as a threat

is quite common among Democrats.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

48. Recognizing that Iran is not a threat...

is quite common among everybody who's functionally literate.

[blondeatlast]

52. That leaves George W. Bush--and who'd be in his company?

Certainly no one on DU...

[Zandor]

62. Don't forget Hillary and Obama

I stand with them on Iran.

[blondeatlast]

50. Do tell. Who, specifically? nt

[Zandor]

51. Hillary and Obama ring a bell? n/t

[blondeatlast]

55. Specifically--what did they say? Have they adcocated an actual attack? nt

[Zandor]

They recognize Iran as a threat

I never claimed they advocated an attack at this point.

[blondeatlast]

59. And you conveniently dodged the first question.

Again--you are clearly in the minority at least on this thread.

Seems to me you need to make your case and you're doing a piss-poor job so far.

[AlCzervik]

57. not that i can see, i guess because that poster wants to see war with iran

he'll cherry pick statements that buttress is desire.

[Zandor]

95. I'm not advocating a strike at this time

I'm hoping Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs don't make it necessary.

[blondeatlast]

98. Once again--what are they doing that would "make it necessary?"

Stop spewing the boilerplate and answer a few direct questions, please.

[Zandor]

102. Seeking nuclear weapons, for starters

Getting too close to that might necessitate action.

[blondeatlast]

115. So we should bomb every country that has sought nukes? India? Pakistan? Turkey?

Plenty of doublespeak from the leaders, Muslims and anti-Americanism in those countries as well.

When do we begin bombing Bangalore (Mr. BAL's hometown....)

[AlCzervik]

43. Saudi Arabia is a threat, don't try and say it isn't. Did you even watch the Petreaus

hearings where he specifically cited a far bigger % of Saudi Arabians were in Iraq than Iranians.

[blondeatlast]

36. Specifically, what threat do they pose?

Have THEY beaten the war drums against us? Look, I can't stand Ahmadinejad but that doesn't mean I want to even threaten to bomb his people. :shrug:

[AlCzervik]

26. why not Pakistan or Saudi Arabia?

[Zandor]

31. Far less likely

Iran is more likely to use a nuke against us or our allies, including Israel.

[AlCzervik]

do you know they have nuke for a fact? After the fiasco that is iraq do you actually

believe the intel on Iran's nukes?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. Did you know that Saddam Hussein didn't cause 9-11?

Did you know that the earth is round and orbits around the sun?

[Zandor]

41. You're confusing Iraq and Iran, it seems n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. No, I think you're the one that's confused.

Very seriously confused. We're talking Too Much Homemade Meth levels of confusion.

[Zandor]

49. The topic was bombing Iran

and you interjected that Saddam didn't cause 911. Irrelevant.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

54. No, it's entirely relevant.

The people who think Iran is a threat are the same sort of suckers who thought Saddam caused 9-11.

You'd think they'd have learned their lesson, but apparently they didn't.

[bellasgrams]

94. Israel is more likely to bomb Iran then Iran bomb Iraq..

Israel is always up to something and the US always goes along. It would solve a lot of our problems if the US took a more even handed approach and looked at both sides.

[blondeatlast]

30. What has been their offense against us?

I'm old enough to (vaguely) remember the Shah, old enough to remember the American hostages--and yes, I carry a grudge about that--but they simply have not interfered in our business for the past 20 years at least.

So, do tell, if you would. As BAH says--why not bomb Canada? Culturally, they've messed us up a lot worse--and I even like Anne Murray...

[Zandor]

34. "why not bomb Canada?"

You suggested it, I'll let you explain.

[blondeatlast]

47. Cute--but I asked you first. As for "Why not bomb Canada?"

We shouldn't, because they've commtted no offense against us. And I've seen Iran commit no offense lately either.

So, since you leave the option of bombing Iran open, I'll ask again--Why bomb Iran?

Please be specific; it's fairly obvious you are in the minority on this thread, so you really need to make your case.

[Zandor]

53. I suggest all options be open

They seek nuclear weapons and are hostile to us and our allies in the region.

[blondeatlast]

58. Using your reasoning, maybe Canada ought to bomb us... nt

[MrCoffee]

63. "They seek nuclear weapons and are hostile to us and our allies in the region."

seems like i've heard that before...

[Zandor]

65. Perhaps from Democrats n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

68. "Democrats do it too."

Ah, that old standby.

Next you'll be blaming Clinton.

[Zandor]

76. I'm a moderate Democrat

No need for accusations. Attack the issue.

[blondeatlast]

77. We're trying. You are avoiding it--and none too well. nt

[MrCoffee]

82. You're a Democrat? I had no idea.

[Zandor]

91. My views are in line with Hillary and Obama, for example

You shouldn't be surprised.

[AlCzervik]

83. are you going to answer my question about Saudi Arabia or not?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

96. When I'm on the internet I'm an astronaut.

Here's a picture of me on a picnic to the moon.

[blondeatlast]

97. I knew I knew you from somewhere! Here I am (after a bit of reconstructive surgery):

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

99. Here's me without my space hat.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

66. So you consider yourself in the MIDDLE OF THE ROAD on this, huh?

Hi there.

[rucky]

87. Where is this table, and why are there so many bombs on it...

and no impeachments, indictments or withdrawls?

[blondeatlast]

88. So I assume you would appreciate a diplomatic solution--but to WHAT?

Try to look past the latest spiel from the WH and the Heritage foundation and let's talk about specific threats leveled against the United States.

After all, we in the US know our nation would never attack without provocation, right???*

*And since you are so deliberately obtuse, that was :sarcasm:

[mike_c]

19. bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran....

Just THINK of the catchy graphics CNN could air 24/7 during the "Confrontation with Iran!"

[rucky]

90. John McCain, is that you?

shouldn't you be campaigning or something, instead of surfing the net?

nevermind.

welcome to DU.

[lonestarnot]

38. I fucking hate bombs and destruction and human suffering! WTF!

[enid602]

44. no

IF . . . I were a fundamentalist Christian . . .
IF . . . I were a neocon . . .
IF . . . I were a defense contractor. . .

I WOULD STILL NOT WANT TO BOMB IRAN.

Why? Because Bush has not proved able to successfully plan or execute previous efforts. It's the Bush resume. I don't know if he innocently screws everything up, or if he is intentionally trying to kill off our youth and export our standard of living.

[kineneb]

60. against- why would I want to bomb my relatives?

Still have (step)family there. Nice folks. Wouldn't want to have them hurt.

[blondeatlast]

61. My SIL is Persian. Her family is still there.

I'd go there myself to protect them.

[Zandor]

64. I'd rather see regime change

than strikes against them.

[Evoman]

69. Maybe your country should stop trying the regime change thing....

its almost as bad as bombing.

[blondeatlast]

72. About as successful, too...

[AlCzervik]

74. agreed, we need to get out of the puppet installation business but then again

we wouldn't be able re liberate people.

[Zandor]

78. Regime change can happen different ways

Hopefully there will be a groundswell of sentiment against Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs.

[Evoman]

84. Uh...yeah right.

I'm sure the Iranian people are capable of handling things on their own. I'd pay a little less attention to Iran, and a little more on your own regime. While your at it, you might wanna do something about the CIA.

[Zandor]

93. Elect a Democrat

That would help

[stranger81]

103. mmmm hmmm . . . . and they'll throw flowers at our soldiers' feet

when we come to join the party, right?

[Cha]

67. Ohh, that's sweet..I had a

dream about Iraq a few nights before bush bombed it and the families were there living a normal life but concerned that there might be bombs.

One of the clearest dreams I've ever had.

[blondeatlast]

70. Can you imagine living under even the veiled threats?

Their media is no more/less corrupt than ours and I'm sure they are trumping it up over there as well.

Imagine every little noise--my bird just knocked over some books and I jumped about a foot. I can imagine my reaction if bombings were being even suggested.


What's it all for, anyway? Why must it be this way? :cry:

[Cha]

73. And knowing wtf happened

to Iraq? All about the OIL and bushits' war machine.

We are David fighting the giant pissants.

[blondeatlast]

100. But, but, but--the Democrats do it too! You said so yourself upthread. nt

[Cha]

104. Did you mean to reply to

another thread? :)

[blondeatlast]

106. Yes. Sorry about that. nt

[Cha]

107. No worries..

[lateo]

75. Yeah, more war is just what we need.

Bring the troops home and let them stay home.

[bryant69]

79. I think we should bomb Indiana. n/t

[renie408]

108. Hell YES!! Down with Indiana!! n/t

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

81. Who could POSSIBLY be against senseless death and destruction?

Vindictive air strikes against innocent villages, deadly radioactive clouds spreading across the entire middle east, the deliberate jump-start of World War Three... Dayum, what's not to agree with? :shrug:

In case some moran doesn't get it- :sarcasm:

[porphyrian]

85. Not me. - n/t

[rucky]

86. That would be a "no". n/t

[yardwork]

92. So far, looks like.....zero.

Thank you for making this point.

It would appear that nobody on DU is in favor of invading Iran.

[11 Bravo]

101. Everyone who thinks Ahmadinejad is an asshole. Haven't you been paying attention?

[jeffrey_X]

105. Why would we bomb them?

:confused:

[AuntPatsy]

109. Read these two threads to get a better understanding of the issue at play.

Ahmadinejad - Why The Hate Matters

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1904541


What Ahmadinejad is and what he isn't

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1898277&mesg_id=1898277

[nadinbrzezinski]

110. Against it

and there are many reasons for it, ranging from the strategic, to it is a damn fucking bad idea.

And I hope you are shocked and surprised at the reaction and that this did NOT sink like a rock

[blondeatlast]

113. My point was that I expected no one to respond. I was hoping that no one would respond, period.

I phrased the question specifically so that only those in favor SHOULD have responded. Everyone else figured that out.

OTOH, damn if there weren't some who would like to see it happen--and I took said poster to task all afternoon.

[Danger Mouse]

111. Absolutelty not

Ahmedinejad is an asshole, sure, but that doesn't mean we need another war for profit.
Ugh.

[Geek_Girl]

112. No I don't believe in pre-emptive warfare

nt