Dear Mr Ahmadineasshole: Your bullshit doesn't fool us any more than bushyboy's does.

[Redstone]

Give it a fucking rest, would you? There are SOME Americans (actually, a LOT of us) who understand that bullshit is bullshit, whether it comes from bush and his clowns, or from you.

And guess what? We're ALSO smart enough to understand that your hysterical rants do NOT represent the views of the Iranian populace in general, no more that do bush's brain-damaged ramblings represent what we, the majority of sane Americans, believe.

So save the bullshit for someone who has a taste for it, OK?

We do not.

We (speaking for the vast majority of Americans here) would be perfectly happy to have cordial, indeed friendly relations with your country. There are only two things (and I feel comfortable in referring to them as things rather than people) who are preventing that from happening.

One is George W. Bush.

The other is you.

Redstone

[Swede]

1. You said in Redstone.

I could not agree more.

[babylonsister]

2. Go, Redstone! Love your sentiments!

:thumbsup:

[MadMaddie]

3. Absolutely hit the nail on the head....

And that's why we need to hear him spout his crazy ass shit just like we need to hear * spout his....by demystifying them they become weak....and ineffective

Right on Redstone!!

[RaleighNCDUer]

4. Yeah. Can you believe him having the gall

to want to honor the 9/11 dead.

Unbelievable.

:sarcasm:

[jaysunb]

5. I'm still waiting to hear the "crazy bullshit"

he's been saying......

[AX10]

6. K & R!

:thumbsup:

[Harper_is_Bush]

7. The man is largly irrelavent. He doesn't hold the real power in Iran. This focus on him...

...plays into the warmongers hands.

[mark414]

8. wow, another thread about this guy, just what DU needs

a lot of self important and hysterical blustering on all sides of this argument

[abq e streeter]

34. Hello Mark 414

I've responded supportively to posts of yours, and I believe vice versa, and you are quite obviously a highly intelligent and aware young man. So my disagreement here is with the utmost respect for you and your opinions. I do agree that the Ahmadinejad topic has been beaten to death,and yes, with too much of the types of blustering you describe.But I can only speak for myself that I continue to feel the need to post my objections to DUers who support, attempt to justify, make excuses for etc., despots and would be dictators based solely on their thumbing their noses at the Bush regime. Those posts sadden me greatly and make me question my even belonging in the American left. I was gratified today to see Skinner forcefully say those Duers that still try to justify the ridiculous claim that Ahmadinejad is not a Holocaust denier should go elsewhere . I feel its important to stand up to anyone; liberals especially, who , I believe, should know better than to justify despots, dictators and their ilk. P.S. wonderful picture of Woody and his guitar; I have Michael Moore and anti-Bush stickers on my saxophone case...I usually try to stash it during gigs where audiences can see it.

[burythehatchet]

9. The mullahs are sitting back and laughing that Americans are

equating George Bush to their Senior Dog Catcher. How do you say Mission Accomplished in Farsi?

[Auntie Bush]

10. Right, They and their followers are all a bunch of stupid a**holes.

One leader is not much different from the other. Bush has ruined our moral authority. We can't criticize dictators and their crimes without sounding
like hypocrites ourselves. I can't wait till we have a Dem president who can set us off on a different path.

[Semper_FiFi]

11. K&R perfectly stated. n/t

[backscatter712]

12. Agreed with everything, except the last part...

Just as George W. Bush is a puppet of Cheney, so too is Ahmadinthehead a puppet, of the Ayatollah Khamenei and Iran's Guardian Council.

Both our countries have their equivalents of PNAC.

[yodermon]

13. by "you" you mean Khamenei, right? just checking. n/t

[Kurovski]

14. K&R. (nt)

[High Plains]

15. Ooh, you told him!

[Redstone]

16. This is a place to offer opinions. I offered mine. You don't like it, well, there's

always the "ignore" feature.

Redstone

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. So what's your opinion on Gurbanguly Berdimuhammedow?

[Redstone]

18. About the same.

Redstone

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. So why'd you start a thread on Ahmadinejad and not Berdimuhammedow?

[Redstone]

20. The time was right for me to do so. I'll get to the other guy later.

Redstone

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. Why is the time right now?

[Redstone]

22. OK, you got me. I lied. I was just going alphabetically, because I'm lazy.

Got a suggestion as to who I should beat up when I get around to a name beginning with C? I can't think of anyone offhand.

Redstone

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. I'm glad you're going alphabetical.

For a minute there, I was worried you were just doing what the media was doing. Not really worried about homophobia or religious bigotry, and just performing a sort of jingoistic, patriotic masturbation.

[Boojatta]

25. Tip: avoid saying "patriotic masturbation" when visiting Vatican City State.

[Redstone]

27. Ha! Thanks for the chuckle. That'd go over about like a lead balloon there, yes?

Redstone

[Boojatta]

29. It's my pleasure to elicit chuckles.

My only concern is the occasional odd character who puts a nose into my message and then pulls out before the explosive punch line. As far as I'm concerned, such characters aren't even reading. They are just sitting alone, isolated from all forms of communication and writing their own messages.

[Redstone]

26. Not me, Cool. I think for myself, and you of all people would know that, given the number of

lengthy arguments we've had.

Me? "homophobia or religious bigotry, and just performing a sort of jingoistic, patriotic masturbation?"

ME?

I thought you knew me better than that.

Redstone

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. You had me worried there for a minute.

I knew deep down you were equally concerned about Berdimuhammedow as you were about Ahmadinejad.

I should have just guessed you were going in alphabetical order.

My bad.

[Redstone]

31. De nada.

Redstone

[hogwyld]

33. Cheney! n/t

[ismnotwasm]

23. Good one

They're both assholes.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

30. Um, yes they do. An awful lot of people are fooled by his claims not to want nuclear weapons.

The number of DUers who rush to rebut criticism of Ahmadinejad and the Iranian government is worrying.

[Redstone]

32. That seems to be the case, doesn't it? I haven't been here much lately, but it does

appear that DUers have been buffaloed.

Just speaking for myself: I know a lying, cynical son of a bitch when I see one, and he's one in spades.

And the shame is, as I said, that our two countries SHOULD be friends.

Redstone

[mhatrw]

36. OK, they want nuclear weapons.

What country with oil wouldn't with a bullying superpower on the loose?

[mhatrw]

35. What possible benefit is there to personalizing everything like this?

Both supposed despots are nothing but powerless figureheads. What is stopping us from talking to Iran is that they rebelled against the actual despot that the CIA gave them and now they have a hardline Islamic fundamentalist state that controls their oil.

[Redstone]

37. Again, it's a discussion board. People post opinions here, and I've posted mine.

You're welcome to post yours, even (and especially) if they oppose mine. That's how discussions work.

Redstone

[mhatrw]

38. That's not a discussion; that's Crossfire.

M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No, it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No, it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No, it isn't.'
A: Yes, it is!
M: No, it isn't!

A: Yes, it is!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes. (pause)
A: No, it isn't.

[Redstone]

40. OK, you don't like me. That's abundantly clear. Goodbye.

Redstone

[RFKHumphreyObama]

39. Precisely

You've articulated my feelings exactly Redstone :thumbsup: