"Hating" Ahmadinejad Does Not Mean You Want To Bomb Iran

[DemocratSinceBirth]

I "hate" Pat Buchanan, David Duke, and Fred Phelps but I don't want to bomb Maclean, Virginia, Metarie, Louisiana, or Topeka, Kansas...

"Hating" right wing nut jobs and not wanting to injure or kill them are not mutually exclusive.

[WilliamPitt]

1. Keep 'em coming

I think we have to sing this song all day.

*sigh*

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. I Find Most Theocratic Anti-Modernists Comical

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[LeftishBrit]

2. Fully agree!

I hate Bush and Cheney but I don't want anyone to bomb America. I hated Thatcher and Blair but I never wanted anyone to bomb the UK! I hate the Kaczynskis (sp?), but I don't want anyone to bomb Poland. I hate Putin but I don't want anyone to bomb Russia. I hate the Chinese top leadership but I don't want anyone to bomb China. I hate Mugabe but I don't want anyone to bomb Zimbabwe. Etc.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. I Really Like Dislike Putin...

I dislike all authoritarian leaders...

[Captain Hilts]

6. But the Russians want someone more authoritiarian. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Which Is Profoundly Sad But Is Their Right

How people can not want to be "free" is beyond me...

[libnnc]

10. Sadly, that's what happens to people

who have been conquered for centuries. Russians have a long history of "needing" to be protected from the Vikings, Tartars, Germans, French, Swedes, Germans again......

Father/Czar complex coupled with a topography that is vulnerable to attack and all that jazz.

[Captain Hilts]

27. Living in Moscow in 1993 was to live in a state of chaos.

All 'freedom' gave them was crime, inflation, pornography, job insecurity, etc.

Most people don't want the responsibilities that freedom requires of them.

And Russia has a history of collectivism that antedates the October Revolution. It's a country where the weather kills.

[JackRiddler]

36. By that logic, Iranians voted for Ahmadinejad

With a vote count that was probably less fixed than in the US, and an election system overall only slightly less fixed (there, the Mullahs exclude candidates; here money and the media determine who's worthy).

[Captain Hilts]

5. Correctamundo! nt

[Justyce]

8. Thank you!

I most certainly don't want war with Iran, but I don't see many redeeming qualities in Ahmadinejad. Two different things.



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[mmonk]

9. We know.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. I'm Going For The Primacy And Recency Effect

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[mmonk]

13. Call me stupid but what is that?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. People Tend To Remember And Give More Importance To The Last Or First Thing They Heard

That's why if you're at a debate with ten people and when they choose the order for closing statements hope you are chosen last.

[mmonk]

16. Ah yes. Good strategy.

[Marrah_G]

11. The fact that this needs to be said on a liberal board amazes me

I feel as though I have walked into a parallel universe. We have posters "respecting" and defending a guy who's administration hangs gays, beats, arrests or tickets women for showing hair, who denies the holocaust, etc at the same time ripping good liberal Democrats apart, calling them treasonous, betrayers, right wingers, etc.

Bizarro World.

[Odin2005]

35. As far as I'm concerned "liberal cultural relativist" is an oxymoron.

Bizzaro World indeed.

[ThinkFoward]

15. this argument is lost on me as well

i just don't get it.

going by their logic does it mean that we want to bomb the shit out of the united states because we hate bush? it really doesn't make any sense to me.

[Warren Stupidity]

17. Participating in the hate sessions aides and abets the war propaganda

Yes of course you don't want to bomb Iran, but by joining into the orchestrated frenzy you help bring that about. Please get a clue. Please recall the pre-war hate sessions against Saddam Hussein. You are being used. Again.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. So Far I Have Restrained Myself From Attacking Fred Phelps, Pat Buchanan, And David Duke...

I just call an ace an ace...

[Warren Stupidity]

22. Fortunately your government does not wish to go to war against

white suburban american males. On the other hand it would very much like to bomb the crap out of Iran.

[Odin2005]

38. Truth is the truth. Hiding the facts because they might be abused is BS reasoning.

If speaking the truth is "feeding the frenzy" then so be it.

[Warren Stupidity]

49. Deja vu anyone?

I heard the same crap in 2002.

Why aren't we having a ten minute hate against the saudi arabian government which also has a habit of topping off its gays every now and then, denies women basic human rights, is a little fuzzy on the right of israel to exist, etc. etc. etc. Could it be because we already have their oil safely under our control? Just maybe kinda sorta?

Not hiding the truth does not mean that one has to wade into the War Party Conga Line just in case anyone thought you might approve of the Iranian theocracy.

[Odin2005]

50. I have no problem with bashing Saudi Arabia.

If you want to bash SA go start a thread. :P

[Warren Stupidity]

52. You are so missing the point.

Obviously you do not intend to understand me.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

39. What primates we are......

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. Somehow This Image Is More Poignant

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/10/shocking_new_ph.html

[Warren Stupidity]

54. How many Iranians shall we kill to put an end to that?

And should we be killing Saudis as well? When will we start on them?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. by itself it doesnt. i for one hate the saudi royal houses. however, in combination

with the current administrations war propoganda, it creates a dangerous situation.

does no one remember the months of being bombarded about saddams rape rooms?

[Warren Stupidity]

23. No it seems many of us have got the hate frenzy thing going.

But it is ok for us here to join in hate sessions as DU is of no consequence, or so I've been told. No connection with a coordinated orchestrated campaign to beat the damn war drums

AGAIN

DU has taken a damn stupid pill.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Why Is It So Hard To

Why is it so hard to see that a world leader who says there are no gays in his country and countenances their hanging is going to throw some left wing folks in a tizzy?

[Warren Stupidity]

53. Why is it so hard to see that you are being used?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

55. Why is it so hard for you to see you are ignoring progressive values.....

.....in the interest of "not wanting to rock the boat".

[Warren Stupidity]

56. Seems to me like we don't care too much about

the very similar activities of the Saudi government. Why is that?

[BoneDaddy]

20. Exactly

So tired of having to defend my dislike of Ahmadenijad and Iran's policies without being called a Bush-ite or neo con. What stupid black and white thinking.

[JackRiddler]

21. Did I miss something?

Did two senators just propose an authorization to bomb Virginia, Louisiana and Kansas, coming on the heels of an earlier 97-0 vote on language finding that these states harbor terrorists?

Are Buchanan, Duke and Phelps being called EVIL on the front pages of the papers?

Are they being accused of killing U.S. soldiers in the midst of a war?

Is Lousiana firing up its first nuclear reactor? Is this being called a threat to America?

Did the French foreign minister just warn that Kansas is close to being bombed?

Did the President declare Virginia part of a fictional "Axis of Evil"?

And if I didn't miss all that, just what is it about the coordinated government-approved Saddam/Osama-style hate campaign focusing on Ahmadinejad as THE Face of Evil that you are missing?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Your Argument Would Be More Compelling If I "Hated" Anybody Because I Was Told To

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[JackRiddler]

26. Would you be talking about Ahmadinejad this week?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Respectfully Yes Because He's In The News...

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[JackRiddler]

29. And why is he in the news?

Is it because

a) he said and supports terrible things?

b) there is a campaign on to justify the intended bombing of his country?

c) the news happens to be covering the visit to New York of a foreign leader (during the week of the UN General Assembly, when dozens of foreign leaders are here)?

d) other.

I believe he's in the news because of b. Do you differ?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. e

all of the above.

[The Stranger]

33. "all of the above" includes "there is a campaign on to justify the intended bombing of his country"

So you have just admitted that you are supporting war with Iran.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. That Has To Be The Greatest Non Sequitur In The History Of The "Internets"

If I say that smoking causes cancer does that mean I support cancer or smoking?

[The Stranger]

32. Game. Set. Match.

Excellent post.

[The Stranger]

31. Are you trying to deny the fact that the Neocon Junta has been thirsting for Iran blood for months?

Are you in denial about the bill in the Senate just these past two days seeking war with Iran?

Are you in denial about Congress' last minute removal of language from legislation that would have prevented the administration from attacking Iran?

Are familiar at all with text, context, propaganda, and the use of the media by government?

Are you in denial about the fact that all of this has happened before with a man named Saddam Hussein and a country the U.S. now occupies called Iraq?

Are you familiar with a phrase often used, "the big picture"?

Are you in denial that the Right Wing and the Neoconservatives are using Ahmedinijad as the poster boy for their next invasion?

Are you in denial of the fact that by joining in that Two Minutes Hate of their poster boy, you are joining their efforts to take the U.S. to war in Iran?

When you join that Two Minutes Hate, do you think the Right Wing, the Military-Industrial-Media complex and the Neoconservatives really give a shit what you also think about war?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. What Does That Have To Do With Hating A Right Wing Theocratic Asshat Who Countenances The Hanging Of

Gays?

[Odin2005]

40. That doesn't change the fact that the President of Iran is a bastard.

Just because the facts might be abused by people with unsavory motives is not a good reason the make up shit about how a nice guy Ahmadinejad is.

[cali]

41. Are you just not familiar with The Constitution?

You said:

"Are you in denial about Congress' last minute removal of language from legislation that would have prevented the administration from attacking Iran?"

One more time, for those unfamiliar with the Constitution: Bush cannot be prevented from attacking Iran by anything the Congress does.
He has the authority under Article II, Section 2 of the US Constitution and under the War Powers Resolution of 1973.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. Yeah

It's a circular argument... Only Congress can declare war...The president is the Commander in Chief... He can direct the armed forces in any fashion he wants. The Congress can then stop the war by impeaching him or refusing to fund it...

That's my understanding of the separation of powers...

[Kajsa]

42. Well stated! Why would anyone assume the two

are automatically connected?

That's beyond me.

:shrug:

[applegrove]

44. I agree.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. Everybody hates Ahmadinejad.

So nobody is making the claim that hating Ahmadinejad means you want to bomb Iran.

Of course, there's difference between hate, and the Five Minute Hate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. The Gentleman In Post 33 Suggests Otherwise

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

47. Let's ask him.

Hey, The Stranger, do you actually like Ahmadinejad? Or do you just recognize Five Minute Hate when you see it?

[MedleyMisty]

48. Realizing that there is a two minute hate going on in the media

does not mean that you think that everyone who expresses hate for Ahamdinejad wants to bomb Iran. Critical analysis of the intentions of the media and government and being able to realize that the majority of DU posters don't have the same intentions as the media and the government are not mutually exclusive.

[Warren Stupidity]

57. Half of the lynch mob is just having a party!

Party on dude!