I think if the religious right had it's way, we'd execute Gays in this country.

[trumad]

I've been getting a kick out of the feigned outrage by the right about how Iran executes Gays... But yet they need to look just a couple of steps away at the crazy righties in their own party who probably, left to their own devices, would either lock up Gays, or just plain execute them. mho

[tekisui]

1. No doubt. They think that's what happened in Sodom and Gamorrah.

Gawd struck down a city of homosesuals!

[mmonk]

2. Yep. Look at the rise in related hate crimes since this crowd took over.

[TheUniverse]

3. Leviticus 20 : 13

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."



There is some evil shit in most religions.

[trumad]

4. Leviticus was Gay

[jgraz]

63. I'm so getting a bumpersticker that says that

:rofl:

[Goblinmonger]

82. Put it up on CafePress

and I'll buy one, too.

[NNN0LHI]

5. The ones I know would execute Democrats if they thought they could get away with it

And I am not exaggerating. They remind me of the followers of Jim Jones.

Don

[trumad]

6. I was going to say that Liberals wern't far behind....

[Dorian Gray]

15. Well, Ann Coulter would

if her hyperbolic hate speech is to be believed.

[Colorado Progressive]

46. Gays, liberals, then would come Jews, Muslims and Buddhists. All in the name of Jesus nt

[EFerrari]

104. They already have.

[groovedaddy]

7. There are polls showing their support of capital punishment

I don't think this assertion (executing gays) is that out of line.

[distantearlywarning]

8. Yeah, I don't know why they don't like Iran.

It seems like Iran should be their model of a perfect country to live in.

[CrispyQ]

29. Like that bumper sticker...

If you want a country ruled by religion, move to Iran.

[madokie]

9. You know they would

my neighbor tells me that they can be fixed, whatever that entails and he would be the first to pull the lever

[trumad]

11. I always thought that Gays should fix hetros....

turn it around you know.

[madokie]

17. He and I go around and around

and I'd tell him I was gay too just for shits and grins if for no other reason except I smokie the pot and I know once I told him that he would start snitching on me and getting me busted, trying to get me sent off to be fixed

[NMMNG]

10. Indeed

Paul Cameron advocates "the final solution" a-la Nazi Germany for gays. Concerned Women for America, American Family Association, Defending the Family, Family Research Council, World Net Daily, National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) and Exodus Global Alliance all cite his research to support their hate campaigns against gays. They'd be perfectly content if we were systematically stripped of our rights, and even of our lives.

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,021.htm

[hobbit709]

12. Along with

Keeping women in their(to them) rightful place
Stoning for an assortment of religious crimes
Freaking out over sex
and anything else their feeble minds can come up with.

[Dorian Gray]

13. I disagree,

Perhaps I'm an optimist or naive, but I truly believe that wouldn't happen here. Oh, sure, there are a few people who would allow that to happen if they had their way, but they are few and far between here. I do believe that the majority of the people in our country appreciate our nation's laws and respect that they are not in the dark ages!

[trumad]

16. I'm sure Germany felt the same way years ago.

[Dorian Gray]

51. Well, maybe...

I'm not discounting the natural inclination of people to bury their heads into the sand. But, in this case, I don't believe that we need to fear the legislature. We're VERY SLOWLY progressing. Not quickly enough, but it's happening. And hopefully with new blood in power, it'll happen much quicker.

[pampango]

24. Agreed. Well said. n/t

[Hydra]

75. You're VERY naive

I was raised catholic, and the various churches I had to go to mourned that they no longer had the power to force people into their religion and torture and kill people who dared to believe or do things contrary to what they believed.

They want that power back...and the blood will flow if they ever manage to do so.

[Dorian Gray]

147. I was raised Catholic as well

and NONE of the various churches that I've gone to has EVERY mourned not being able to force people into Catholicism.

We have very different worldviews. That's fine. But, you seriously think every priest and congregation you came across mourns not being able to force conversions? Really?

[nashville_brook]

93. laws... like habeas corpus... states rights (as in bush v gore)... privacy... freedom of speech...

maybe the majority "appreciates our nation's laws," but, it's starting to seem like the kind of "appreciation" we have for the Ivory-Billed Woodpecker or ice-wagons.

[PDenton]

106. agreed. I think only the most die-hard fundamentalists

would sign off on that. Even for thos Christian who believe homosexaulity is a sin, there is also a belief that condemning people for their sins in such a final, irrevocable manner would be very grave. The number of Christians who want a genuine Old Testament style theocracy in the US is pretty small.

[Wilber_Stool]

14. When gay men began to die

from a mysterious illness, there was no call to arms to discover the cause. Just a bunch of fags. They deserve it. Nobody cared until it hit the general public. I wonder how many died because of that delay?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. yup. that.

[bullwinkle428]

26. The "God's Punishment" quote got tossed around big-time

in the early years of the AIDS epidemic, so I have no doubts that significant numbers of people wouldn't care if the whole GLBT community dropped off the face of the earth...

[PDenton]

108. it was not said by all though

for instance Tammy Faye Baker. Most mainstream denominations did not believe that AIDS was God's wrath on gays, even in the 80's. Granted, it did become a "meme" among the wider public, mostly because alot of prominant leaders bought into it.

I think Reagan's silence did more to hurt awareness on AIDS than any Christian fundamentalist ever did.

[varun]

122. And Reagan's silence

was a result of his Christian base who elected him to power.

[PDenton]

127. not totally correct

Watch the PBS Frontline show on AIDS. It was because John Roberts was afraid of lawsuits if the president said something that later turned out to be scientificly incorrect... "incorrect" enough to convince a jury. I'm sure support from the rightwing was also a minor factor but the fact he never really addressed AIDS in an informative manner is directly due to John Robert's legal advice.

[Hydra]

77. And I remember a large number of straight people who died

because "You just can't get AIDS as a heterosexual"

Bah. AIDS is considered a "moral disease" even now. Yet another black mark against our so called "american values."

[MountainLaurel]

87. In the church I was attending

When AIDS first arose (I was about 8-10 years old at the time), we were told that AIDS was a gift from God to cleanse the U.S. of the homosexual scourge. The pastor taught that gays should be shipped to an island somewhere where they could all infect one another.

And this wasn't in some Fred Phelps church consisting of the preacher's relatives. This was in a 200-year-old congregation in a pretty white building led by a young, attractive pastor with a college degree, leading a flock of people who helped their neighbors, drove for Meals on Wheels, etc.

Hence, my fervent belief that folks like Jerry Falwell and Phelps are just the ugly face of what is taught in relatively average churches across the U.S>

[Zandor]

18. Utter nonsense

The beliefs of America's Religous Right on gays are certainly at odds with mine. But your suggestion they would really like gays to be executed is absurd.

Get a grip.

[trumad]

22. OK--let's go to the first step...

Do you think they would want to separate the Gays for the straights?

[Zandor]

25. They aren't as monolithic as you seem to think

Most conservatives are religious. There are tens of millions of people on the 'Religious Right'.

All that I know don't want gays herded up or executed.

[Bluerthanblue]

35. do you have any personal experience or

genuine knowledge into the mindset of the leadership agenda of the religious right? There is a very surprisingly influential hard-line movement within the group- People who seek to make laws which would criminalize a substantial portion of the population using guidelines that have their roots in many Old Testament restrictions, and which advocate severe punishments, including death.

I'm afraid you are a bit naive. You might be very surprised to learn what some 'independent christian churches' are teaching and advocating. The ones which have little or no 'oversight' in particular- and these churches have some of the most committed and active memberships.

I am in NO way making this statement about all believers in Christ who live in the US- but about a strong, politically active and motivated minority, who has been influential in promoting the * agenda.

i'm speaking from personal knowledge and experience on this, with a white-knuckle grip.

[Zandor]

55. Not a bit naive

They are a handful of whack jobs in any political or religous group of any size.

Let's not slander them all, personal experiences or not. That's called stereotyping.

[Bluerthanblue]

58. i'm not talking about a 'hand-ful'

and i'm not stereotyping.

I'm talking about congregations which teach and preach old testament law- and who advocate and actively work towards passing legislation which enforces this kind of 'morality'.

Maybe you aren't naive, simply ignorant.

It sounds ridiculous to many people, but then, if someone had suggested that we would be involved in a preemptive war against a sovereign nation, that we would have a president who cannot be reigned in, that habeas corpus, personal privacy, and individual rights would have been blown apart as they are today,(to name just a portion of how far we have fallen)
you very likely would have dismissed the possibility just as glibly.

[varun]

60. These "handful" of conservatives

have been blocking equal job protection legislation, hate crimes legislation and passing anti marriage legislation all over the country.

"Handful" my ass.

[Zandor]

72. The OP suggested it was the current state

not just a possibility.

Your anecdotal evidence isn't convincing, sorry.

[Bluerthanblue]

76. no, the OP said "a couple of steps away"...

.... and in my understanding of this use of language, This is saying that it is NOT all that far off.

Apology not necessary. My comparative illustrations were not anecdotal- they are evidence based- unless you live in some parallel universe. :shrug:

[Zandor]

79. Nope, read it again

"I think if the religious right had it's way, we'd execute Gays in this country..."

At any rate, we aren't close. Not in America.

[Bluerthanblue]

86. hey- it's your journey-

enjoy the ride down river.

the OP continued the statement and thought as your .... indicates, but i'm not going to beat this sorry nag to death any longer.



"It can't happen here" is comforting to some.


I'm not one of them.


:hi:
experience can be a cruel teacher, but its lessons are seldom forgotten-

[varun]

98. Where do you live?

A major metropolitan area?

Go to rural America and small towns. Hatred of homosexuals is de rigeur in local churches.

[Zandor]

102. No basis for your statement

My personal experience is the attitude of religous people toward gays is tolerance, sometimes acceptance. Almost always, love and mercy.

[karlrschneider]

107. You probably shouldn't smoke that shit.

...

[varun]

109. "Sodomy" was illegal till 2002

Yes, you heard it right.

Consensual sex between adults of same sex was illegal and punishable in 19 states till 2002.

These laws were overturned by the Supreme court. They are still on the books for many states in this country.

And when the next "liberal" SC judge is replaced by another Bush crony, it will be illegal again.

These laws are SUPPORTED by many conservatives. They are NOT a handful.

[Zandor]

110. Am I missing the part of that law

that mandates thier execution?

[varun]

112. and am I missing the show of ACCEPTANCE

and tolerance shown by conservatives in this country?

[Hydra]

78. If they had their way, as they do in Iran

It would be happening right now, and they would be at the executions cheering.

[Zandor]

80. Complete conjecture n/t

[Hydra]

92. Complete conjecture from experience and history

I've been among these churches, and were they to know my religious beliefs, I too would have be stoned or tied to a stake and burned alive.

You keep saying that what is being proposed is not possible and not in their minds. What evidence do you have to refute the words, attitudes and even violence I've witnessed?

[Zandor]

101. Your anecdotal experience and history

don't cut it.

[Hydra]

123. Oh, really?

Facts and behavior aren't good enough? Feel free to wear blinders, as your refusal to see truth doesn't hurt me.

[Dr. Strange]

105. And if liberals were in charge...

the bible would be outlawed.

Fundies play that game too. But feel free to demonize...

[Hydra]

124. One does not need to demonize

ask any properly "religious" person what the penalty should be for disobeying what the "good book" says. My Grandparents subscribed to this particular idea, that harsh laws making people believe what they do would make the world a better place.

IMO, they can have their book. They just need to keep their claws out of the lawmaking process. No good has ever come of letting them make the laws and enforcing them.

[Dr. Strange]

131. But that's the whole point...

Ask any "religious" person what the punishment should be? If I ask the religious people I know, they'll say any punishment will come from God, no government is necessary. They don't want to hang gays anymore than they want to hang adulterers.
And in YOUR opinion they can have their book. But if I ask just the right person, I can find that one of a handful of atheists who want to outlaw the bible or religious schools; or that one of a handful of environmentalists who want to kill CEOs and torch SUVs. If THEY were in charge, sure, they would be killing <insert group here>.

Is it demonizing? I don't know, maybe if <environmentalists/the religious right> were in charge, they would kill <polluters/gays>. But I really doubt it.

[BlackVelvet04]

114. 35 million

dominionists in this country is hardly a handful.

[BlackVelvet04]

49. Actually the dominionists would love it......

Activist judges, of course, are precisely what the Dominionists want. Their model is Roy Moore, the former Alabama chief justice who installed a 5,300-pound granite memorial to the Ten Commandments, complete with an open Bible carved in its top, in the state judicial building. At Reclaiming America, Roy's Rock sits out front, fresh off a tour of twenty-one states, perched on the flag-festooned flatbed of a diesel truck, a potent symbol of the "faith-based" justice the Dominionists are bent on imposing. Activists at the conference pose for photographs beside the rock and have circulated a petition urging President Bush to appoint Moore -- who once penned an opinion calling for the state to execute "practicing homosexuals" -- to the U.S. Supreme Court.


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story.../the_crusaders/

More Dominionist info:
http://www.nationalreview.com/kurtz/kurtz200505020944.asp
http://www.theocracywatch.org/

[Zandor]

56. Relevance? n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

113. You said....

"The beliefs of America's Religous Right on gays are certainly at odds with mine. But your suggestion they would really like gays to be executed is absurd."

To which I pointed out that the dominionists would indeed like to see gays executed. There are approximately 35 million dominionists in this country with very strong ties to this administration.

Maybe next time you could actually read the post and think before getting snarky.

[PDenton]

111. Lot's of people believe the Ten Commandments are

important. That doesn't equate to them believing that in this day and age, execution is an acceptable punishment for sodomy.

[BlackVelvet04]

116. Yes, dominionists do believe it is acceptable

for homosexuality and adultery. There are 35 million dominionists in this country and they have strong ties to the administration.

[PDenton]

129. 35 million? I don't believe that

Honestly wherever you are getting that, you are wrong. You need to define "dominionist" in some concrete fashion.

My aunt has the Ten Commandments on her wall in her house in Tulsa. Does that mean she wants to hang all the gays? The logic of connecting the Ten Commandments with executing gays is beyond reason. For many people the Ten Commandments is just a folk religion thing, a sign that they believe the country follows God. And you have to admit, alot of the Ten Commandments are reflected in modern laws and mores, wheather they actually trace their ancestory to that is another matter.

[BlackVelvet04]

130. And you know it is wrong, how? Just because you don't

choose to believe it? Dominionist is quite well defined. Do your homework.

[Junkdrawer]

54. "AFA has advocate for executing gays and abortion providers on its radio show"

American Family Association opened its airwaves to advocate for executing gays, adulterers, abortion doctors

Summary: Far-right Christian author and American Vision president Gary DeMar was the guest on the February 2 edition of American Family Radio's Today's Issues. In the past, DeMar has advocated the installation of a theocratic government in the United States in which homosexuals, adulterers, and abortion doctors would be executed.

http://pandagon.net/2006/02/14/afa-has-advocate-for-executing-gays-and-abortion-providers-on-its-radio-show


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1920433

[Lerkfish]

91. no, I think he's acccurate that they WISH gays could be executed.

in their heart of hearts.

[Warren DeMontague]

120. How about just wanting all the gays locked up?

Have you ever read the Texas GOP Platform?

[ieoeja]

142. What do you consider the "Religious Right"

You do realize the Religious Right is not simply a person who is both rightwing and religious.

[Richard Steele]

152. What color is the sky in your world?

[dmallind]

19. You don't need to think, or suspect, or guess.

Just listen to them, in their own words. This convention was not of the most extreme CI type groups but what passes for mainstream in the world of the religious right, including Dobson's bpys,
TVC, SBC, Homeschool Legal Defense Fund, etc

http://www.alternet.org/story/55717/?page=1

"applying the death penalty for homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators, witches, incorrigible juvenile delinquents and those who spread false religions."

[Iris]

45. Damn. There'd hardly be anyone left.

Especially if you throw in women who use birth control or have had abortions.

Who would they scapegoat after all the people they deem "bad" are gone?

[raccoon]

21. Sadly, I think you're right. nt

[cali]

23. Some of them would also like to see:

Liberals
Socialists
Communists
NEA members
Environmentalists
Doctors who perform abortions
Evolutionists
Scientists who supprot the theory of Climate Change
illegals
and uppity women


at the end of a rope.

[Zandor]

27. They'd hang NEA members too?

Please.

[cali]

32. Sorry, I've actually seen posts to that effect over on free repub

Perhaps you're not aware that the NEA is a huge boogyman for the religious right, for "pushing" it's "godless, homosexual agenda".

Now you know.

[Zandor]

34. Posts on FR

Don't translate into the Religous Right wanting to hang NEA members.

[distantearlywarning]

39. Who do you think is the "religious right"?

Please define. Because I have the feeling that any example people give will be met with the claim, "X example isn't part of the religious right".

So please, let us know who you think is the religious right in America. Be specific, so the rest of us can stop working so hard to come up with fruitless examples that don't meet your criteria.

[Zandor]

43. Undefined by the OP

and is required of him really.

It sounds to me like religous conservatives. A handful of whack jobs aside, the vast majority don't favor the execution of gays.

It's a ridiculous broad brush, and another angle for deflecting criticism from Ahmadinejad.

[cali]

42. I'm not claiming that the entire religious right share those

sentiments, but a segment of it certainly does. And those freepers are invariably fundies who consider themselves part of the religious right.

[Zandor]

47. Fair enough, Cali

But that segemnt is tiny.

The OP asserted " if the religious right had it's way, we'd execute Gays in this country". That seems to implicate the desire is widespread among them. It is not.

[varun]

50. That segment might be "tiny" now

but it will not take long to maniplate this segment (already hostile to gay rights) to support gay executions.

After all, 80% of US population was manipulated to support the war on Iraq.

[Zandor]

53. Populations can be manipulated, sure

But the OP suggested it was the present state.

[varun]

61. So you agree that the current "conservatives"

can be manipulated to support gay executions.

And you are not alarmed?

[Zandor]

65. I'm not convinced we're anywhere close to that n/t

[Bluerthanblue]

71. here is one link that might help

you:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/2007/09/religious_right_25.html

[karlrschneider]

84. Or it just might be that you're afraid of some competition for equality...

...

[NMMNG]

141. Paul Cameron

RRRW nutjob and so-called "researcher". He wants to subject gays to the "final solution" a-la Nazi Germany. And he has a host of collaborators (individuals and very powerful, large, significant organizations) who are all too happy to support him in his quest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cameron
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,020.htm
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,010.htm
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,021.htm

[BlackVelvet04]

117. 35 million is tiny? n/t

[noonwitch]

28. I think that there would be a serious division in the religious conservative community

There would be those who would object because they do understand the message of love and mercy.

[NashVegas]

30. Oh, I'm Sure Our Fundies Would Be Far More Compassionate

You know, sending them off to retreats where they can be cured, either by counseling or DNA therapy.

[gollygee]

31. I don't know

I know a lot of very conservative religious people, and I'm sure they'd be appalled at the suggestion of executing people for being gay. On the other hand, the very conservative religious people I know don't think it's possible to naturally be gay so they might be OK with mandatory classes to "reeducate" gay people. And they'd love more legal discrimination, such as not allowing gay people to move to their neighborhoods, keeping gay couples' kids out of their schools, keeping gay people from working with them, and basically creating a world where they never had to see or talk to gay people.

People can be very stupid.

[Tian Zhuangzhuang]

33. fred Phelps and his ilk yup

but out side of that fringe I don't think so. Homosexuality is simply more accepted and open then it was 30 years ago. Some religious people may hate the sin but the vast majority will still love the sinner. (before I get flamed I don't believe homosexuality is a sin.)

This is no different than the UN black helicopter interment camps crap the far right spews.

Radicals from both sides need to get a grip sometimes.

Most Americans are true live and let live people. (And most have a gay family member or friend)

[bryant69]

36. Look at how upset they got when Sodomy laws were struck down n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. I Was Baptized In A Fundamentalist Baptist Church...

I don't think they would kill gay folks or advocate such...More likely they would try to "convert" them...

If you go to Fred Phelps's site he criticizes Christian leaders like the late Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Billy Graham for their "tolerance" of gays...

[goodgd_yall]

134. They would try to change them

but the environment would be such that killings of gays and lesbians would grow too. The basic message would be that they are not like "us." That gives free rein to some people to kill.

[varun]

38. Bible, Torah and Koran - all condemn gays to death

Those who think American conservatives will never tolerate execution of gays, just look at Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Iran was a fairly moderate (even iberal) country under Shah. Look where it is now.

[Tian Zhuangzhuang]

48. The torah and Koran sure.........

But you do realize there was a New testament that came out rather recently. I'm not sure you can possible put actual Christians in that mix. It's like quoting the Articles of Confederation when talking about the US government.

If a so called Christan sect is following the old testament instead of the teachings of Christ that would make them Jews.

[Bluerthanblue]

57. i wish more

denominations realized that-

If the teachings of Christ were the standard bearer we wouldn't be in the mess we are today- there would be no war, no rich gluttony, tax-cuts for the wealthy wouldn't have a chance of being supported by 'the religious'-

There would be no capital punishment, no imperialistic government,- health care, shelter, food and necessities would not be a privilege, they'd be a 'given'- not subject to inherited wealth or good fortune.

[varun]

62. Do the Southern Baptists follow the new testament?

Well, whatever Bible they follow, they are not gay friendly for sure.

They would rather have us (gays) disapper.

[Tian Zhuangzhuang]

74. I'm sure some Church's do

But honestly I once had a rapture are you saved couple come to my door. I explained nicely that I was a Christan and followed the teachings of Christ our lord and savior and as a result I don't believe in that L. Ron Hubbard Rapture stuff and as for the Old Testament I wasn't a Jew. I asked them if they were Jews or Scientoligists? They claimed to be Christians of some sort so I grabbed my bible and began to read the Sermon on the mount and they fled.

[BreweryYardRat]

103. They don't follow Christ's word in the New Testament.

Mostly, SB's believe in the Old Testament and the worst books of the Apostles.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

83. Sorry, Paul is right there in the New Testament bringing the good news of homophobia

No kingdom of god for gays. Gays deserve what punishments they get.

[Bluerthanblue]

89. i know you are responding to the "new testament"

reference-
I personally make a distinction between the apostle and Jesus-

Not sure Jesus advocates capital punishment.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

94. Nah, Jesus commands following all those Old Testament Laws.

Of course he also saves a prostitute from capital punishment. If that sounds like a logical contradiction, you'd be right. That's what happens when you got a bunch of different people writing their own versions of the Bible.

Of course, it doesn't really matter what Jesus actually taught, it matters what fundamentalist christians say he taught. i.e. "kill all the commies and homos."

[Bluerthanblue]

96. for me it's the

walk- the "accounts" of Jesus speak of One who didn't follow the accepted, the established -traditional- ...selfish-judgemental-controlling attributes that are so much a part of many religious teachings.

The humility, selflessness, generous, caring and compassionate actions he embraced and encouraged speak louder to me than the tired 're-worked' dogma does.

I think the bible is used very often as a "cheat- sheet", full of all kinds of twists, many contradictions, and open to wide variations in interpretation which often turns it into a weapon, rather than a reference.

I believe most churches pick some key passages(issues) to focus on or champion, and leave the others behind- (maybe for some other day.)

Thankfully, there are more than a few fellowships who are seeking to advance the interests of everyone through social outreach without any pressure towards 'religious' commitment, but rather out of love- genuine love for all life. animal/vegetable/mineral-

peace-

[Tian Zhuangzhuang]

95. matthew 8.5 to 8.13 as well as Matthew 19:10-12: Paul romans and commentary

<5> And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,
<6> And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
<7> And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
<8> The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
<9> For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
<10> When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
<11> And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
<12> But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
<13> And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

These verses describe how a Roman centurion asked Jesus to cure his "pais" who lay paralyzed and in great agony. The centurion stated that all Jesus had to do was to say the right words to effect the cure. Jesus praised the centurion for his faith. The Greek word pais means a young male kept for sexual purposes by his adult owner. The English word "pederasty" comes partly from this word. Various translations of the Christian Scriptures have suppressed the sexual component of the term and translated the word simply as a "servant boy", "serving boy", "young servant," "my son," and "my boy." A present-day relationship of this type would be considered child sexual abuse, a serious crime. However, such arrangements were common in the Roman Empire at the time, and were tolerated by society, as was slavery itself.

10] His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
<11> But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
<12> For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.


How often are men born without testies? But how often are men born without the urge of taking a wife. A eunich is someone you can have watch over your harem and sit with your wife. It doesn't literally mean had balls cut off (though later Christan Churches emphasized this.) What Jesus is saying is some men are born gay. And if God made them that way he will accept them into the kingdom of heaven.

Why would God create a man he was unwilling to accept back into his bosom. This is what Jesus asks. And the answer is he wouldn't.

Honestly Paul was a conservative Jew writing his own opinions in Romans. he was referring to pedantry as it was practiced then and Nero's same sex marriage. But more importantly he was condemning Heterosexuals engaging in homosexual acts to gain privilege. IE unnatural acts.


Homosexual sex is natural for a homosexual it isn't for a heterosexual so the theme follows the to thine own self be true and to not go against how God has made you.




If God made you a gay man it is a sin against God to sleep with a woman if he made you a straight man it is a sin to engage in homosexual behavior

So it is the closeted gays who are the sinners those that embrace and celebrate the way God made them will find the door to the Kingdom of heaven open to them.


Hope this helps.

[varun]

99. That's your interpretation of the Bible

But the majority of Bible believing Christians still consider homosexuality a sin (whether closeted or out).

They may be wrong in their interpretation, but their belief leads them to vote for anti-gay policies.

[PDenton]

115. So?

Most churches still consider homosexual acts (emphasis) a sin. But that doesn't equate to believing that the law should punish such acts. There are many things that Christians believe are a sin, but that only God has the authority punish. Jesus says in the Sermon on the Mount, "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

[varun]

121. so where did the sodomy laws come from?

Did the word "sodomy" originate in another religious text?

When one believes something is a "sin", one is more likely to pass punitive laws.

Dont tell me that these Bible believing "Hate the Sin, Love the Sinner" conservatives are coming out in droves to support equal employment, non discrimination laws, and are voting against Dont Ask Dont Tell in the military.

[PDenton]

126. Alot of religious groups

are nervous about such laws because they are afraid the laws will be used against them, for instance in hiring in religious organizations or charities. And, it might not be totally fair or right, but there are some people who worry about hiring somebody who is gay on the basis that they might be "condoning" their behavior. I think that is wrong but alot of people see it that way. Likewise with housing or any other issue.

[varun]

128. No matter how you justify

It seems to me that the root of anti-gay policies lie in the religion of the voters.

[PDenton]

138. so... perhaps the pork producers

should sue Jews for defaming "the other white meat"? Religions have prohibitions against all sorts of behavior, and you aren't the first to notice that.

[The Backlash Cometh]

40. Nooses are showing up on trees from Louisiana to Highpoint, NC,

So I think it's a good bet that they would eliminate anyone they don't like, if they could.

What floors me about the gays that have infiltrated the Republican party, is how close they are to exacting revenge on the very people who have oppressed them. I don't understand why they don't just come out of the closet and just reveal the party secrets, and put the final nail in the Republican coffin.

[IndianaJones]

41. I don't. nt.

[H2O Man]

44. Fascinating thread.

I think it relates, in a couple ways, to my newest thread ("young and easily freudened"). It is easy to think that man's inhumanity to man cannot happen in this country on a large scale. Our history, and human history, indicates otherwise.

[BrklynLib at work]

52. The Dominionists are all for it. They would be stoned to death.

:scared:

[MUSTANG_2004]

59. Where'd you come up with this?

What statement makes you say that? I haven't heard even Jerry Falwell advocate executing gays, or anything remotely like that.

[trumad]

64. I come up with it...

because I know that a few fundie whackos can lead the religious right by the nose very easily.

It's funny how some in this thread think this could never happen when it's happened many times by uh religious or ideological whack jobs throughout the history of mankind.

American exceptionalism at work here.... Oh this country would never do such a thing... LOL

[Junkdrawer]

66. See post #54...

The Handpuppet has a good thread from a year ago...

[trumad]

67. Absolutely

Some just don't realize that his history can repeat itself... and rather easily.

[Exiled in America]

68. No. I think we'd have a deportation policy.

[slackmaster]

69. Another conceited, self-congratulatory, broad-brush attack on a nebulous Bogeyman

I have no doubt that there are a few people who most here would categorize as members of the religious right wou would do just that, but nowhere near a majority of them.

Far more of those people would say that homosexuality is a poor lifestyle choice, or a psychological disorder that calls for treatment.

There is diversity of opinion among religious people and those on the right; the left does not have a monopoly on tolerance or compassion.

But I do oppose allowing religious extremists of any type to run OUR country.

[youthere]

70. I absolutely believe that.

[H2O Man]

73. "The Bush coalition

has resulted in a dearth of candor and serious strategy -- a paralysis of policy and a government unable to govern. If left unchecked, the same forces will bring a preacher-ridden, debt-bloated, energy-crippled America to its knees. With an eye on the past and a searing vision of the future, Phillips confirms what too many Americans are still unwilling to admit about the depth of our misgovernment." -- American Theocracy; Kevin Phillips; 2006; from back flap.

Would this group possibly scapegoat others for their failures?

[Marrah_G]

81. Actually they would try and forcably convert them first

Dead men/women can't contribute cash!

[goodgd_yall]

133. Good point! n/t

[The Straight Story]

85. Yes indeed, if the Religious right Islamics/Jews had their way in this country they would

The christians in this country have been in charge for many years and have not done such things, so I was assuming you meant islamics or maybe even Jews (since it is in the OT where they talk about stoning and such, and not in the christian NT).

[Lerkfish]

88. I agree.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

90. Jeez, are people really this naive?

Did they forget Matthew Shepard? Of course they'd support the execution of gays.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/25/5445/1320

[PDenton]

118. How do you know his killers were

faithful Christians? I tend to doubt it, otherwise they wouldn't have robbed him. Most fundamentalist Christians wouldn't advocate beating and robbing somebody just because they are gay, that is a distortion. Certainly there is an atmosphere of homophobia or gay hatred but it isn't always directly due to the fact that somebody goes to church and somebody else doesn't.

[IndianaJones]

97. oohhh...scary. nt.

[BreweryYardRat]

100. You THINK?

Hell yes, those backwards-ass shitheads would.

Primitive little tribalist bigots.

[Warren DeMontague]

119. That's down the list: First, Ban all contraception. Then Ban all non-procreative fucking.

That, along with the re-instatement of Sodomy Statutes (as per, among other groups, the Texas GOP Platform) would at the very least give em an excuse to start roundin' up The Gays.

(So, yes, at the very least "locking them up" has been advocated, repeatedly, by the Texas Republican Party and still is to THIS DAY.)

Then they'd ban dancing, non-Christian Rock, and porno.

It would take them a while to get to the point of actually stoning people to death for being gay, or blasphemy, or "unchastity", or teaching evolution, or whatever, but I suspect they'd get there.

Look at what Judge Roy Moore had to say on the subject:

Moore described homosexuality as "abhorrent, immoral, detestable" in a unanimous Alabama Supreme Court ruling last month denying a lesbian mother custody of her three children.

Several gay rights groups rallied against Moore and said he couldn’t act as a fair judge, particularly when he noted that Alabama criminal laws prohibit sodomy. He added later that the state "carries the power of the sword ... to prohibit conduct with physical penalties, such as confinement and even execution."

[MUSTANG_2004]

135. You're off base

While Catholics are against birth control, generally the "religious right" refers to Protestants. What Protestant sect are you thinking of that wants to ban contraception?

[Warren DeMontague]

137. I am NOT off base, sir. If you read the materials of the major "pro-life" organizations in the USA,

they- to the one- argue that use of the birth control pill, which they consider to be an abortifacent, is morally equivalent to abortion. The HLA plank in the GOP platform; the one that would by fiat grant rights under the 14th amendment to single cells- would necessitate the criminalization of the birth control pill.

Add to that the fact- and this is a FACT, sir- that the SCOTUS decision the "Religious Right" has in it's sights even moreso than Roe v. Wade is Griswold v. Connecticut- you know, the one which said married couples had a "right to privacy" pertaining to the use of contraception, I think it's pretty clear where all this is headed.

Beyond that, the "Religious Right" as it stands today certainly DOES contain a large conservative Catholic influence. The anti-choice movement, for instance, is driven by large numbers of Catholics as well as Protestants.

I don't know, when you get into the loonies who want to institute "Biblical Law", what particular "sect" they all fall into, but I do know that the anti-contraception jihad is NOT limited solely to "Catholics":

[MUSTANG_2004]

144. Disagree

I completely disagree that the religious right has a higher priority on overturning Griswold v Connecticut than Roe v Wade. The handful of anti-abortion people I know (including a couldn't care less about Griswold v. Connecticut. Indeed, apart from strict constructionists, I don't know of anyone who cares about Griswold v Connecticut.

But that aside, what non-Catholic right-to-life organizations are trying to ban all contraception? I'll concede there are probably some fringe organizations (one can find a group that supports almost any view and opinion somewhere), but as far as I know, none of the major Protestant right to life groups oppose contraception. I will throw in a caveat that I am not including the "morning after" pill when I say contraception, as there are plenty of pro-life groups that oppose that.

[Warren DeMontague]

150. So what is up with all the pharmacists lecturing women and holding their BC prescriptions hostage?

Are they all Catholics?

Beyond that, even if some of what you say is true, Catholics comprise a very large slice of the conservative religious right, so my point would stand regardless. But their rhetoric is being echoed by fundies of other faiths, too. The pro-lifers you know notwithstanding, it's pretty damn obvious that the goal of the "Pro-Life" movement has nothing to do with saving babies, and everything to do with stopping people from fucking for non-procreative purposes.


That's what it's ABOUT. Stopping all the screwing that they don't like... er, Sorry, that "God" doesn't like.

Pro-Life Action League"- Anti-Contraception

"religious conservative Protestants have been increasingly critical about the 1965 contraception case Griswold v. Connecticut"

Iowa's first statewide anti-abortion group is among 86 such organizations that have committed to opposing all forms of contraception.

Respect for human life is impossible without respect for conjugal union. Contraceptive acts and reproductive technologies that manipulate or replace conjugal union are a rejection of the gift of life - and most often include the foreseen deaths of tiny children.

Abortion will never end as long as society approves the use of contraception. The practice of contraception means children are unwanted and provides the rationalization for abortion. It is a violation of human dignity to promote or accept the use of contraception.

"Fringe Groups", My ass.

And what about David Hager? He was appointed head of Womens' Health at the FDA, and he is virulently anti-contraception. It would appear HE is not Catholic, as he claims he was unfairly targeted as part of a, quote, "war on Evangelicals":

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050530/mcgarvey

Evangelicals "Rethinking Their position on contraception:"

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/special/contraception.html

Here are some more links. Please educate yourself as to what is really going on, here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/11/17/bushs-latest-appointment_n_34349.html

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/24/11429/0449

Anti Choice & Anti Birth Control

http://www2.ljworld.com/blogs/brownback_report/2007/aug/21/brownback/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5490-2005Mar27.html

http://www.prevention.com/cda/article/access-denied/a9a466263d803110VgnVCM20000012281eac____/health/healthy.living.centers/ob.gyn.health/

[undergroundpanther]

125. and they'd kill us trans-people too

If they believe in ,Deuteronomy..

22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.


Or they'd do some off the wall shit like claim we are sanctified by god..The Eunuch Verse from Matthew...

For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

So which way is it? Are cross dressers /drag queens drag kings evil or are trans-people? Tell me how is a homophobic zealot bigot to know the difference between us if he's so busy hating gay and queer people?

Here is a sick quote from the 700 club show

Pat Robertson: "There are people who are born with various types of hormonal activity in their bodies and they feel more male than female or more female than male. I know a plastic surgeon here in this area who indeed does that sort of thing, and to accommodate what's going on in people's lives.

MEEUWSEN: "Which is often a very legitimate hormonal thing happening."

Pat Robertson: "Exactly. So it is not a sin, and so you don't need to feel guilty..."

(Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, October 5, 1999)

But if you cross dress you are a sinner, if you are gay, sinner..
When will people just toss that book in the trash and accept they cannot making us queer people disappear with their hate or hateful biblio-god..

Some history..
http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/rome.htm

The mentality of a conservative Christian (Nazi) about gays is pure evil. The treatment of a gay person in the mind of a conservative fundy ass hat consists of either forever celibacy, forcing trans gender transition or castrating them.

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,020.htm

A Fundie asshole's Manifesto of HATE.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/Default.aspx?tabid=145

In This diatribe of bullshit, This asshole says

"In a word, if we keep doing what we have been doing, the Church will likely lose its tax-exempt status, its freedom of speech regarding homosexuality will be curbed, and Christians will be criticized from every quarter. "

And frankly I think he knows what he's got coming.. So he's whining in advance like any bully playing victim will do when he is caught and called on for his bad behaviors..

Yeah,Christian churches especially conservative ones or flock fleecing pentacostal word faith bullshit churches NEED to lose that tax exempt status.

And it needs to have it's biblically inspired hate speech, called what it IS,hate speech!!

Christianity NEEDS to be criticized from all quarters..Let the church be scrutinized let the pastors be held to a standard of conduct we expect from everyone else,no religion derves to be free of critics.

For too long society has let churches bully people, Too long has the churches used God and religion as an excuse to do horrible things to people ,and get away with it without any social consequences.

That time of churches being treated as beyond reproach and this unaccountability to society it has had being a domineering religion,needs to END right NOW.

Tear the conservative bully empire down. The sooner fundamentalism and conservatism and it's narcissistic hateful control in the culture dies the better!!

When the hateful words and bigoted primitive bullshit is finally edited OUT of the bible..there will be less threats to humanity from these zealots. Good people can edit the bible,just do like Rome did before.. when Rome edited out the Gnosis from the"bible"..

That book it must be changed must be edited...Hate and bigotry is not anything that comes from goodness. The bad editing by Rome must be cut out of the bible NOW.

If liberal churches and good hearted people are scared of editing the bible, Look the state of Rome edited the bible to suit it's own power why can't good hearted people edit it to take out the HATE SPEECH?? I bet there will be no more justification of stupid holy wars for the big biblical lies anymore if the hate speech is taken out of the bible,Taken out of the church and thrown away like the trash talk it is..Time to put the hateful fire and brimstone bully of the book and purify the word,and put the hateful god of this world speaking in the bible's verses away forever.

[goodgd_yall]

132. Or

They would put us through brainwashing and whatever other techniques are available to try to make us heterosexuals.

[terrya]

136. Damn right there are.

Of course there are people like that in this country. Lock us up or kill us. Or hoped that AIDS would have killed us off.

[Disturbed]

139. That God in the Old Testament loves killing.

1) Capital Punishment Crimes:



Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)



Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)



Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)



Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)



Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)



Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)



Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)



Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)



Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)



Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)



2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)



Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)



Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)



Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)





2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:



Kill Brats

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)



God Kills the Curious

And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)



Killed by a Lion

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)



Killing the Good Samaritan

The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

It makes one wonder what that Commandment "Thou shalt not kill" actually meant.

[NC_Nurse]

140. Hell, they already get executed, if informally, because

of the homophobia they preach. Remember Matthew Shepard?

[Puregonzo1188]

143. Anyone here remember Larry Kilgore, Republican candidate for Texas Governor?

That was in his platform along with flogging illegal immigrants and leaving the union among other unique positions.

[DefenseLawyer]

145. Not a chance

Too many of them are in the closet to risk that.

[Lerkfish]

146. LOL! great response!

[BornagainDUer]

148. You mean they would commit suicide.

[Bluebear]

151. Ay yi yi.

[B Calm]

149. Why don't the right-wingers just move to Iran?

[AnnieBW]

154. Why do you think

They're so hot to bomb it? :P

[AnnieBW]

153. Gays, Witches, Abortion Doctors, Moslems, Hindus, etc.

Then they'd go after the moderate Christian denominations, like the Unitarians and the Congregationalists, along with the Reform Jews.