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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:33 PM
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Kyl-Lieberman Amendment Yays and Nays
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 12:35 PM by ProSense
YEAs ---76
Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Martinez (R-FL)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

NAYs ---22
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Feingold (D-WI)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)
Wyden (D-OR

Not Voting - 2
McCain (R-AZ)
Obama (D-IL)


Text:

SA 2948. Mr. KYL (for himself, Mr. LIEBERMAN, Mr. COLEMAN, and Mr. GRAHAM) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed to amendment SA 2011 proposed by Mr. NELSON of Nebraska (for Mr. LEVIN) to the bill H.R. 1585, to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2008 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel strengths for such fiscal year, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:


At the end of subtitle C of title XV, add the following:

SEC. 1535. SENSE OF SENATE ON IRAN.

(a) Findings.--The Senate makes the following findings:

(1) General David Petraeus, commander of the Multi-National Force Iraq, stated in testimony before a joint session of the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives on September 10, 2007, that ``(i)t is increasingly apparent to both coalition and Iraqi leaders that Iran, through the use of the Iranian Republican Guard Corps Qods Force, seeks to turn the Shi'a militia extremists into a Hezbollah-like force to serve its interests and fight a proxy war against the Iraqi state and coalition forces in Iraq''.

(2) Ambassador Ryan Crocker, United States Ambassador to Iraq, stated in testimony before a joint session of the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives on September 10, 2007, that ``Iran plays a harmful role in Iraq. While claiming to support Iraq in its transition, Iran has actively undermined it by providing lethal capabilities to the enemies of the Iraqi state''.

(3) The most recent National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, published in August 2007, states that ``Iran has been intensifying aspects of its lethal support for select groups of Iraqi Shia militants, particularly the JAM (Jaysh al-Mahdi), since at least the beginning of 2006. Explosively formed penetrator (EFP) attacks have risen dramatically''.

(4) The Report of the Independent Commission on the Security Forces of Iraq, released on September 6, 2007, states that ``(t)he Commission concludes that the evidence of Iran's increasing activism in the southeastern part of the country, including Basra and Diyala provinces, is compelling ..... It is an accepted fact that most of the sophisticated weapons being used to `defeat' our armor protection comes across the border from Iran with relative impunity''.

(5) General (Ret.) James Jones, chairman of the Independent Commission on the Security Forces of Iraq, stated in testimony before the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate on September 6, 2007, that ``(w)e judge that the goings-on across the Iranian border in particular are of extreme severity and have the potential of at least delaying our efforts inside the country. Many of the arms and weapons that kill and maim our soldiers are coming from across the Iranian border''.

(6) General Petraeus said of Iranian support for extremist activity in Iraq on April 26, 2007, that ``(w)e know that it goes as high as (Brig. Gen. Qassem) Suleimani, who is the head of the Qods Force ..... We believe that he works directly for the supreme leader of the country''.

(7) Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, the president of Iran, stated on August 28, 2007, with respect to the United States presence in Iraq, that ``(t)he political power of the occupiers is collapsing rapidly. Soon we will see a huge power vacuum in the region. Of course we are prepared to fill the gap''.

(8) Ambassador Crocker testified to Congress, with respect to President Ahmedinejad's statement, on September 11, 2007, that ``(t)he Iranian involvement in Iraq--its support for extremist militias, training, connections to Lebanese Hezbollah, provision of munitions that are used against our force as well as the Iraqis--are all, in my view, a pretty clear demonstration that Ahmedinejad means what he says, and is already trying to implement it to the best of his ability''.

(9) General Petraeus stated on September 12, 2007, with respect to evidence of the complicity of Iran in the murder of members of the Armed Forces of the United States in Iraq, that ``(t)e evidence is very, very clear. We captured it when we captured Qais Khazali, the Lebanese Hezbollah deputy commander, and others, and it's in black and white ..... We interrogated these individuals. We have on tape ..... Qais Khazali himself. When asked, could you have done what you have done without Iranian support, he literally throws up his hands and laughs and says, of course not ..... So they told us about the amounts of money that they have received. They told us about the training that they received. They told us about the ammunition and sophisticated weaponry and all of that that they received''.

(10) General Petraeus further stated on September 14, 2007, that ``(w)hat we have got is evidence. This is not intelligence. This is evidence, off computers that we captured, documents and so forth ..... In one case, a 22-page document that lays out the planning, reconnaissance, rehearsal, conduct, and aftermath of the operation conducted that resulted in the death of five of our soldiers in Karbala back in January''.

(11) The Department of Defense report to Congress entitled ``Measuring Stability and Security in Iraq'' and released on September 18, 2007, consistent with section 9010 of Public Law 109-289, states that ``(t)here has been no decrease in Iranian training and funding of illegal Shi'a militias in Iraq that attack Iraqi and Coalition forces and civilians ..... Tehran's support for these groups is one of the greatest impediments to progress on reconciliation''.

(12) The Department of Defense report further states, with respect to Iranian support for Shi'a extremist groups in Iraq, that ``(m)ost of the explosives and ammunition used by these groups are provided by the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force ..... For the period of June through the end of August, (explosively formed penetrator) events are projected to rise by 39 percent over the period of March through May''.

(13) Since May 2007, Ambassador Crocker has held three rounds of talks in Baghdad on Iraq security with representatives of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

(14) Ambassador Crocker testified before Congress on September 10, 2007, with respect to these talks, stating that ``I laid out the concerns we had over Iranian activity that was damaging to Iraq's security, but found no readiness on Iranians' side at all to engage seriously on these issues. The impression I came with after a couple rounds is that the Iranians were interested simply in the appearance of discussions, of being seen to be at the table with the U.S. as an arbiter of Iraq's present and future, rather than actually doing serious business ..... Right now, I haven't seen any sign of earnest or seriousness on the Iranian side''.

(15) Ambassador Crocker testified before Congress on September 11, 2007, stating that ``(w)e have seen nothing on the ground that would suggest that the Iranians are altering what they're doing in support of extremist elements that are going after our forces as well as the Iraqis''.

(b) Sense of Senate.--It is the sense of the Senate--

(1) that the manner in which the United States transitions and structures its military presence in Iraq will have critical long-term consequences for the future of the Persian Gulf and the Middle East, in particular with regard to the capability of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran to pose a threat to the security of the region, the prospects for democracy for the people of the region, and the health of the global economy;

(2) that it is a vital national interest of the United States to prevent the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran from turning Shi'a militia extremists in Iraq into a Hezbollah-like force that could serve its interests inside Iraq, including by overwhelming, subverting, or co-opting institutions of the legitimate Government of Iraq;

(3) that it should be the policy of the United States to combat, contain, and roll back the violent activities and destabilizing influence inside Iraq of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, its foreign facilitators such as Lebanese Hezbollah, and its indigenous Iraqi proxies;

(4) to support the prudent and calibrated use of all instruments of United States national power in Iraq, including diplomatic, economic, intelligence, and military instruments, in support of the policy described in

paragraph (3) with respect to the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies;
(5) that the United States should designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps as a foreign terrorist organization under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act and place the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists, as established under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and initiated under Executive Order 13224; and

(6) that the Department of the Treasury should act with all possible expediency to complete the listing of those entities targeted under United Nations Security Council Resolutions 1737 and 1747 adopted unanimously on December 23, 2006 and March 24, 2007, respectively.




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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:36 PM
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1. Nebraska's Dem senator, that piece o' shit Ben Nelson voted
Aye. Of course.

And Hagel, Nay. The war issue is the only one that makes this man just slightly more acceptable than drinking pond scum.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:40 PM
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7. Well, Hagel also voted for restoring habeas corpus, and wants to close Gitmo--
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 12:41 PM by wienerdoggie
give him credit for that. Nelson--piece o' shit--he COSPONSORED this.

Oops, on edit, he cosponsored the enitre bill, NOT the Lieberfuck amendment. Still a piece o shit.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #7
16. Like I said, anything war related, Hagel is against it. Otherwise
screw him.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. LOL! If you loved Hagel, you'll REALLY love Mike Johanns!! Can't fucking wait!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #21
40. Hell, the creepy white guys that we send to the senate and
congress in this state are enough to make you wonder if Nebraska isn't just a little slice of the Twilight Zone. They're all thin-lipped, mean-spirited, self-aggrandizing, greedy and grasping, ready to exectute anyone for anything (up to and including jay walking), corporate whores.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #40
46. You just gave me the laugh of the day with that description--
:yourock:
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:38 PM
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2. WTH - Clinton voted Yea!?!?
What ever happened to fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!?!?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #2
18. Are you surprised? That was my bet.
How cynical of me.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #2
33. Well, a month from now,
when she has more information, she can say she would have voted differently.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #2
59. She'll only do what AIPAC wants
And right now they want to put the screws to Iran and possibly start another war.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:39 PM
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3. Where was Obama.....in the washroom or hiding in the Illinois Senate? (eom)
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 12:39 PM by oasis
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:39 PM
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4. From what I heard, Obama was there but didn't vote.
He didn't vote on this and the Biden amendments. There's no excuse on not voting yay or nay on these.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. No excuse.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. Clinton voted aye
So I wouldn't be crawling around criticizing Obama if I were you.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. Did I miss something?
Where did they mention Clinton? Most of us are mad enough about her vote, but Obama has so far been MIA when it comes to the tough votes of late.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #15
55. Brilliant - as usual. (not)
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. Obama should read "Profiles in Courage" by John F. Kennedy.(eom)
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. Just heard the same thing
If he was in fact present and didn't vote, then I'm losing a lot of respect for him. He has to take tough stances on issues as important as this one, especially with so much at stake.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #4
13. I agree
We need bold leadership right now, this wasn't it.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #4
17. Agree--would like to hear an explanation.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:39 PM
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5. All those that voted for this
pack em up and send them to the front.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:39 PM
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6. Clinton-aye, Obama ducks
Disgusting.
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:41 PM
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9. I swear! Sometimes I think Carper and Biden vote against
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 12:42 PM by woodsprite
each other just to make it seem like it's 'neutral'. You could contact Carper until you're blue in the face, most likely you will not be told how or why he was voting a certain way. Biden, on the other hand, will tell you - at least I can respect that - even when I don't agree with him. Thank GAWD he voted against this. I cannot, for the life of me, understand why any Dem or half the repubs voted for this. Wait, yes I can. Carper is in the 'let's play nice, can't everybody get along' DLC. Not to mention, he thinks Lieberman is OK.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:41 PM
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12. What the heck is it with Obama
shirking contraversial or difficult votes?

Happy to say that both my Senators, Leahy and Sanders, voted no.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #12
20. Concerned it might affect his polling numbers
It's pretty pathetic, and he has been up till now, my candidate. I'm taking a long, hard look at that.

He's from the Harold Ford, Jr. school of politics - when you're afraid a vote might hurt your polling numbers, just don't vote! It's not like the people sent you up there to do your job!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #20
47. I hate the thought that he's poll driven
on this, but it's hard to see it any other way.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #47
51. Even with the polls showing a decided view against war
He's triangulating his position by not voting - so either way the feeling goes about war with Iran, he can take the most politically expedient position to suit.

They are scared to death that they are going to be framed as "weak on terror" if they take the right stand on an issue as important as this. Pathetic.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #12
24. Good for Vermont!
I feel sick..I wonder why? Surprise vote of Nay from Blanche Lincoln in Arkansas.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:42 PM
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14. This is too important NOT to, at least,
vote on..where was Obama?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. Clinton voted yes - that's worse
Let's not lose track of the worse of the two, actually supporting this shit.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #19
27. Yup. So did her pool-boy, Evan Bayh.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #27
35. Ah, her soon to be V.P. candidate!
I'm just floored by all of this, really disheartening.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #19
28. Sure, her vote was wrong - but Obama just disappearing is even more concerning
We pretty much knew which way Hillary was going to vote - as wrong as it may be. Obama, in the middle of the race, with an opportunity to illustrate a large difference in policy with Clinton, chose not to vote. That silence speaks volumes.

I'm not bashing Obama - he has been my candidate - but this seriously concerns me.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. They both suck today. Edwards, Biden and Dodd should get a little boost.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #30
34. Edwards is going to get a second look from me now
This issue infuriates me to no end.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #30
37. Edwards & Richardson didn't have to vote
Biden & Dodd did well for themselves. Biden got his amendment passed too, which is a good sign. At least he has a plan that he's willing to fight for.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #28
38. Not bashing, just legitimate criticism.
I have to rethink my support for Obama after this. Which is killing me, since he's been my candidate ever since he got into the race.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #38
42. Makes two of us
I'm very let down by these developments. Obama showed some glimpses that he was a leader who could think on his own feet and wasn't afraid to take a tough stand on issues. Now that we see him falling into the politco bullshit triangulation on important issues, I certainly want to look at other candidates that offer something more than this.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #28
57. Obama was campaigning in NH. He was in Maine yesterday and
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 02:03 PM by Mass
stayed there for the debate today. (sure, it would have been nice if he had gone and vote, but the votes were planned for yesterday).

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/northeast/view.bg?articleid=1034077
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/view.bg?articleid=1034263
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #57
61. Still, we need to know where he stands on this
He needs to be asked and he needs to give an firm answer.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. I agree. It is just that some people made false claims that he was in the Senate.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #62
64. In all fairness, there were some reports on radio that said he was present but did not vote
That's what I heard, so I can attest for that.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. Which radio,
Do you remember? I like to try to keep track of who spreads this stuff, it doesn't always come from the right.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. I was listening to satellite, but I believe it was AP Radio news.
They'll have another update at 4:00 so I'll listen for the call designation.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. Thanks
Nothing online yet, we'll see later I guess.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. So he really wasn't there??
Well that's a little different, although he really should have put his vote down.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #65
68. Here are the photos - Rally was at 11am
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 02:41 PM by Mass
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #68
70. lol, I trusted your word
But I'm sure some folks around here will need the actual photos. I guess if you have these things scheduled, you really can't cancel. The votes were a done deal anyway.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #68
71. Thanks for that information. I was going by what some here said.
It did seem weird that he would be there and not vote.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:47 PM
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29. No worries...I know exactly how
clinton and schumer voted..and I'm sick. It just stood out that Obama didn't vote and I was interested in how he voted. I still don't have a candidate.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:44 PM
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23. Dianne Feinstein -- shame, shame!
No vote for you at re-election
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:48 PM
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31. War dollars tend to cloud her judgement
Plenty of $$$$$$$ behind it, so it was a sure bet she would go with the affirmative.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:45 PM
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25. Remember, this is no way linked to the Hate Ahmadinejad campaign of the last week.
I'd say, we are so fucked, except, as usual, it's poor people of color in some other part of the world that are fucked.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:45 PM
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26. Is this the revised version? Hope not. nt
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:48 PM
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32. Jesus. Cantwell voted for the IWR. Now, Murray voted for IWR2, and my rep supports the surge.
And, I live in a decidedly anti-war, deep blue, state, where voting against war wins elections.

Well, they vote, and so do I.

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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:53 PM
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36. My senators never let me down
Kerry/Kennedy :loveya:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:58 PM
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39. Lucky ... woman. Mine are McCain and that up and coming sneak,
Kyl.

I can't stand it.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:09 PM
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44. Try having Corker and Alexander
I feel your pain.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:17 PM
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49. Or Stevens and Murkowski
ALWAYS on the wrong side.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:21 PM
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63. ewwwwwwww
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:02 PM
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41. Contender breakdowN is this, if I interpret correctly:
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 01:11 PM by blondeatlast
Nos:
Biden
Dodd

Ayes:
Clinton

Not voting or not reportes:
Obama

Have I missed anyone?

Still decidedly undecided, but my contender list has narrowed considerably...
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:08 PM
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43. My conundrum is what to do after the primary election
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 01:09 PM by TornadoTN
I will stomach a vote for Hillary if that's my only choice, but as someone who has been involved in campaigns, it's going to be tough to actually work with her campaign if she is the nominee.

In the mean time, I'm going to take some hard looks at the other candidates and find one that I can work hard to get the nomination.I've pretty much eliminated Obama because he has shirked his responsibility to the people by being silent and not showing up for these votes.

Sigh.....
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:09 PM
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45. Yeah--I think two contenders are permanently crossed off. No guts--no vite from me. nt
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 01:11 PM by blondeatlast
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:15 PM
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48. Both my Senators voted yes.... they're getting a call from me
Don't tell me this isn't a precursor to war with Iran. I am heartsick. THE BASTARDS... and please, that is not a defense of Ahmadinejad or anyone else but our CHILDREN who will have to live with these decisions for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. HOW COULD THEY?
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:19 PM
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50. Luger voted NO
And Bayh voted Yes.

/head assplodes...
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:21 PM
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52. Bayh is sticking with Clinton no matter what
He want that Veep slot something awful!

Luger on the other hand surprised me with that vote.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:52 PM
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54. Lugar may be the most principled GOP in the senate--sadly, that speaks very little
of him as a human being, but elevates him as a politician.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:50 PM
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53. Ah Gordon Smith!
So predictable, so pathetic, for all of his mea culpas to the voters of Oregon about supporting the Iraq war.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:59 PM
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56. yay, barbara boxer!
she (almost) never fails us!
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:03 PM
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58. That fucking Military Industrial Complex needs stopped!!!
Who in the fuck votes yes to attack a country that has NOT attacked us?!! what a bunch of spineless asshats!!!

So what, you do not like their Pres. or their Government, but bombing them is not a solution. I guess since the neighbors two houses down bothers me, I should blow their house up.

The US is so fucked!
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:07 PM
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60. "Why do you hate America?"
Remember, we are supposed to be spreading freedom to the evil-doers. They attacked us on 9/11! :sarcasm:

All the while they dip their hands into the enormous amounts of money that they (top 1%) stand to make off of it. To hell with the rest of us.
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