Text of what actually passed: Kyl Amendment

[CanonRay]

I had heard that it had been amended before passage; this is what passed. I think Bushco has what they need... :nuke:

(b) Sense of Senate.--It is the sense of the Senate--

(1) that the manner in which the United States transitions and structures its military presence in Iraq will have critical long-term consequences for the future of the Persian Gulf and the Middle East, in particular with regard to the capability of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran to pose a threat to the security of the region, the prospects for democracy for the people of the region, and the health of the global economy;

(2) that it is a vital national interest of the United States to prevent the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran from turning Shi'a militia extremists in Iraq into a Hezbollah-like force that could serve its interests inside Iraq, including by overwhelming, subverting, or co-opting institutions of the legitimate Government of Iraq;

(3) that it should be the policy of the United States to combat, contain, and roll back the violent activities and destabilizing influence inside Iraq of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, its foreign facilitators such as Lebanese Hezbollah, and its indigenous Iraqi proxies;

(4) to support the prudent and calibrated use of all instruments of United States national power in Iraq, including diplomatic, economic, intelligence, and military instruments, in support of the policy described in paragraph (3) with respect to the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies;

(5) that the United States should designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps as a foreign terrorist organization under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act and place the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists, as established under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and initiated under Executive Order 13224; and

(6) that the Department of the Treasury should act with all possible expediency to complete the listing of those entities targeted under United Nations Security Council Resolutions 1737 and 1747 adopted unanimously on December 23, 2006 and March 24, 2007, respectively.

[ShortnFiery]

1. We need to find out who voted for this on the Democratic side and kick the TRAITORS out! nt

[cali]

2. It's been posted

look around GD. It's right in the title.

[againes654]

3. Careful

you are calling Hilliary a traitor, and her fans are not going to like that:sarcasm:

[TechBear_Seattle]

18. If the shoe fits.... n/t

[still_one]

7. Throughout the years you and I may not always agree, but on this one I am right with you

What they are effectively saying is that we will be in Iraq permantently

What happened during their recess. Perhaps they did not hear what the people were telling them, or looking at the polls?

Extremely sad

[originalpckelly]

4. You do realize that sense of the (insert body) resolutions are totally powerless...

Right?

[still_one]

8. but it indicates what they believe, otherwise they would not have voted for it

The fact is, what this resolution is saying is that we must maintain a permanant prescense in Iraq, and the area

Nobody forced them to vote for it, and if they didn't believe it they would have voted against it

[tekisui]

5. Full speed ahead.

Will El Dipshit give advance warning this time like Iraq, or will it happen suddenly?
If you know anyone in Iran, tell them its time to by a ticket out.

This is sick.

[originalpckelly]

6. Um, this resolution is not law. It is merely expressing the opinion of the Senate...

that this should be true, it matters no more than any other sense of the Senate or House resolution.

[tekisui]

9. It is enough to bomb on.

[wryter2000]

16. What you're saying is true

However, Bush et al. never come out and say "I'm going to invade this country" and then do it the next day. They start with innocuous looking things like this. Then, the next step is just a little easier to take, so they go along with a little more. And on and on and on.

This is greasing the skids for something like the IWR. "After all, it's been the Sense of the Senate for months now, and Iran's still a threat, right? Maybe we need to give the President the power to cope with the threat. Doesn't mean he'll actually do it."

Remember IWR passed in October, but we didn't invade until mid-March. I think we need to draw a line in the sand now.

I called DiFi and told the nice young lady that if DiFi ever voted for anything like this again, she'd lose my vote FOREVER. I think she (and others of her ilk) need to get The Sense of the Electorate.

[TechBear_Seattle]

19. Do you really think the Junta will *not* treat this as carte blanche for war? n/t

[Bitwit1234]

10. Here's an answer to an email sent to Norm Coleman

The Constitution names the President Commander in Chief but gives Congress the authority to declare war. Under the War Powers Act of 1973, the President must consult regularly with Congress prior to the start of any hostilities. Under this law, the President may take necessary actions to defend American Security, but Congress must authorize these actions with 60 to 90 days, or the forces must be withdrawn.

At this time the President is not seeking Congressional support for an invasion of Iran, despite the Iranian regime s's defiance of the international community with regards to its nu lear program and its continuing threats to destroy Israel.

----

He then goes into an explanation about military action is a last resort and only when our SECURITY is threatened....that worked with Iraq didn't it bush lied to us about Saddam. Then he says military force will be scrutinized by congress before it is employed. He says we should use a diplomatic approach. Lots of luck there.

I really hope he is correct and that bush can't do anything with out Congress's approval.

[fasttense]

14. But they just gave their approval

"(4) to support the prudent and calibrated use of all instruments of United States national power in Iraq, including diplomatic, economic, intelligence, and military instruments, in support of the policy described in paragraph (3) with respect to the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies;"

True it simply states it is the Sense (more like insanity) of the Senate. But what if bush goes and bombs Iran and says well the Senate gave me the ok in amendment umpty squat? Bush has done a whole lot more on far less authorization and much weaker legal ground.

Only in a banana republic do you have the citizenry screaming "NO" and the government totally deaf to their reaction.

[sinkingfeeling]

11. Perhaps Iran will pass a similar resolution against us.

[AzDar]

12. Hillary for President?

:puke:

[RethugAssKicker]

13. This ammendment./declaration will be used

TO BOMB IRAN !!!! period...

The senate has been hoodwinked, and bamboozled !!!

[TahitiNut]

15. Where is this from? What's the citation?

I'd like to know where this text can be found ... especially since it's incomplete. (You begin with a secion (b) - where's (a)?)

[BelgianMadCow]

17. very important question. The sections 3 and 4 have been omitted

in the final version as approved by the senate. Read this on another thread, source of this was TPM.
IF they are redacted out, that makes a difference - but what is this emergency economic power act from section 5 that is mentioned? And what does it allow?