Hillary wouldn't even answer a baseball question

[u2spirit]

Cubs or Yankees. she said she would alternate. The only answer she gave about anything last night was in regards to Sanctuary cities. It was better than anyones. She is a joke and I see right through her. Tweety was actually correct last night in saying she sidesteps every question so she can bash anyone else who comes out with a plan. I have never posted a bash Hillary thread and don't plan on doing it again but her performance last night had my head hurting. Seems to me Kucinich and Edwards were the only 2 making sense or doing any straight talking, and I am an Obama supporter.

[Renew Deal]

1. That's because a poll hasn't told her what to believe yet.

And those are major primary states.

[u2spirit]

4. Of course potato head's questions

were classic gotcha attempts on every candidate. I wonder if he'll hammer the rethugs as hard next month. Regardless, her answers were terrible. When he questioned her judgement on healthcare and Iraq, she talked around the healthcare issue and didn't address the Iraq vote at all.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. wrong post

eom

[a kennedy]

15. I always thought Bill Clinton's presidency was run on polls too...

he'd give a speech, put forth some ideas, and see if they'd float. :shrug:

[ProfessorGAC]

20. You Mean Like The Elected Leader Of A Republic Or Something?

Governing on the polls means putting forth ideas based upon the polls. Putting forth ideas and seeing what the citizenry thinks of them is NOT governing by the polls. It's what a good elected official does.
The Professor

[u2spirit]

24. There's a fine line

between leading and following. Leading is being bold and speaking forcefully and clearly on ideas. If the ideas are rejected you try something else. Following is making a speech giving broad, vague ideas and then sitting back and seeing how the debate goes before you decide what details you choose to make your own.

[ProfessorGAC]

26. Still A Lot Better Than. . .

. . ."i don't govern based upon the polls." How's that working out for us?
GAC

[Renew Deal]

25. That would have worked well for segregation, gay rights, immigration, civil rights.

Right Mr. Professor?

[u2spirit]

27. excellent point

NM

[ProfessorGAC]

29. No It's Not

Those initiatives occurred based upon exactly what i said.
GAC

[ProfessorGAC]

28. Read It Again

In fact, it's EXACTLY what happened. A president made bold statements about what the planned to do, and then determined it's acceptability, and furthered it based upon it's acceptance. (See FDR, JFK, Truman and LBJ.)

You just told me i'm correct.
GAC

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. Unlike Our Current President Who Brags About Ignoring The Polls And Not Giving A Shit What People

Think

[ProfessorGAC]

39. That Was My Point, Too

GAC

[William769]

2. And yet she was the clear winner.

Go Hillary!

[u2spirit]

5. She was?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I find it hard to pick a debate winner with 7 or 8 debaters where each get a limited amount of time. If she won, no one else lost.

[William769]

6. Actually if she didn't lose, she won.

With her standing right now, her performance last night did not hurt her in the least.

[u2spirit]

9. The beltway types are saying that

because of the horse race aspect. However, her inability to be forthcoming about absolutely anything will hurt her chances of winning the general because people like me are not going to feel any extra motivation to campaign for her. Sure, she can metaphorically stand and wave and say nothing and potentially win the nomination, but that will not light a fire under anyone to help her in the general.

[lazyriver]

17. I'm with you on that. I've tried to keep an open mind about Hillary

but after watching her "performance" last night (and that is exactly what it was, and a bad one at that), I have lost whatever faith I had in her. I wouldn't have supported her or voted for her in the primary as I think there are better Democratic candidates, especially given the times in which we live. After witnessing her cackle at most of the questions posed to her (as she's doing regularly now) and then hearing her robotic evasive answers, all I see is a big fake. Combine that with her back door support for the Iraq War and her enabling of Bush and I would certainly not work for her in the general election. I now have doubts about casting a vote for her at all.

[bvar22]

49. I have NEVER criticized a candidate on appearance or personal traits, BUT

Hillary, LOSE the phony cackle.
It has become like fingernails on a blackboard, especially when being asked questions that involve LIFE or DEATH for thousands/Millions of Human Beings.
NOT a laughing matter.

[bvar22]

50. OOPS! I must post a retraction.

I once criticized Biden for his hair plugs.
Lately, I've been softening in my opposition to the Bankruptcy Czar.
He sounds like a positively acceptable alternative when sharing a stage with Clobama.

[Beer Snob-50]

18. the only ones who are forthcoming about anything

really stand very little chance of winning. I would love to support Kunsich (I know I mangled his name so burn me) but I feel he has no chance of winning.

[u2spirit]

22. I think Dennis would be a great leader

and that shows how utterly fucked up our election process is. By the end of January Hillary, Obama and Edwards were deemed by the lamestream press as the frontrunners and by god they can't be wrong so it's not as much that those 3 have been shoved down our throats as much as the others get no airtime or even an equal chance during the debates.

[Beer Snob-50]

30. but couldn't it be said that dennis tells it like it is

and that scares people too much? someone yesterday looked for someone who always told the truth, this nation cannot handle that type of politican.

[MyNameGoesHere]

36. People like you, and i am assuming

would rather shoot a nail in their eye with a nail gun than to EVER vote for HRC. Just guessing.

[hedgehog]

40. Or even bother to go out and vote

My mother is from the church of vote early and often, but she didn't bother with a recent local primary because none of the candidates represented anything but more of the same.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. She was? Just becuase Timmy says so I don't think so

of the first tier, Edwards won

Of the seocnd tierit was a tie between Dodd, Biden and Kucinich

And in some things, like foreign affairs, Todd and Biden ate her lunch

[AnotherGreenWorld]

3. I'm glad Russert asked the tough questions!

Like what's your favorite baseball team! That's my issue!

God, Russert's an idiot. I hate that piece of shit.

[KharmaTrain]

7. I Remember Her Getting Slammed Wearing A Yankees Cap

I think it was during the 2000 campaign. Supposedly she was pandering by wearing the cap. Sheesh...get a grip.

Sidestepping a stupid question? You bet. I'm not electing a handicapper, I'm looking at a candidate who can restore some balance to this country. I could care less about anything else.

BTW...as an Obama supporter...and he's my junior Senator...can you explain why he failed to vote yesterday, but was able to show up at the debate? As a constituent, his voice on the Senate floor is what I want to hear, not in a TV game show.

Cheers...

[u2spirit]

16. I have been dissapointed in him lately

He was too sick to fly to DC and vote on the Biden and Liarman ammendments but had the moxie to show up and put on what can best be described as a non inspiring debate performance. If he continues to play softball on the campaign trail, my primary vote will be up for grabs. Just because I love Obama doesn't mean I have to defend him to the death the way it seems Clinton supporters do. I think quite frankly that one of the reasons DU anti Hillary types are bothered by her is that her supporters refuse to acknowledge even one negative thing about her.

[KharmaTrain]

34. Very Good Observations

As always I must put my caveat that I am blissfully uncommitted...I don't support any candidate nor do I dismiss any. All have brought something of value to the campaign and I'm listening to it all and will see how things play out as the primary season really gets going. I proudly voted for Senator Obama in '04 and will gladly do so again should he seek re-election in '10...and I appreciate the fresh approach and people he's brought to the party, but I do have concerns about his resolve and experience in being effective in the fishbowl of the beltway. I tend to believe his time hasn't come yet...and that he'll be both a far better manager and candidate if he learns from this process.

I'm no Hillary fan, either, but I can't ignore her qualifications and organization. She's run a very good campaign and brings a boatload of experience that will be needed in cleaning up the messes that are sure to be awaiting whomever takes over on 1-20-09. I have plenty of concerns about her corporate ties, but I also can't ignore the polls and surveys that say she'll be the party's nominee. There is no perfect candidate...anyone who believes this is sure to be letdown sooner or later. I can and will support whomever the primary voters feel is the best candidate, but until those votes come in, I'll remain an observer.

Cheers...

[u2spirit]

37. I think the one thing about Hillary that IS like Bush

is that her strength is in organization and campaigning, not necessarily governing.

[KharmaTrain]

41. I Thought The 90's Were Goverened Pretty Well

Here's the irony. People around here call Democrats "spineless" but hate Hillary cause she's too much of a partisan fighter. When she appears to compromise, she's "Bush-Lite" but when she attacks or stands up, she's divisive? There's no winning for her here on that front.

Many of the slams I hear about Hillary here...as well as on the street, are right out of GOOP talking points. They're images that have been crafted through the corporate media over the years that also appears to fuel a distorted image of her. So much of the anti-Hillary stuff I read here are the same as I hear from Rudy supporters...almost verbatim..."she's un-electable, she's "bitchy", she's a panderer..." it's like they're boxing a cartoon rather than the candidate and the issues.

[frylock]

45. calling her out on her hawkish views are certainly not a GOP talking point..

they embrace her for that.

[bvar22]

52. Partisan fighter?

I really don't remember Hillary taking the lead in any significant Congressional fight since she has been in the Senate.
There WAS that Video Game thing, and the Flag Burning. She was clearly a leader on those controversial issues.


Refresh my memory and mention a couple of the tough fights where she showed that she was "a partisan fighter".

[KharmaTrain]

54. Vast Right Wing Conspriacy Ring A Bell?

Jim Webb is the first Senator I can recall in a long time who, as a freshman, was able to sponsor some substantial legislation. I don't recall anything Senator Obama has done nor do I recall any major legislation ever fronted by Senator Edwards. Inversely, I can recall Senator Biden taking the lead on several important fights over the years and you see how much credit he gets for his controversial stands. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. The Senate is a byzantine organization...still an old boys club where "experience" trumps ideas.

From the moment she entered the public stage in '92, she's had a target on her. She's had a far rougher time than people dare give her credit for. Not sure why. Maybe you can enlighten me.

[bvar22]

55. Speaking of VRWC,

Yes, the VRWC did attack Hillary, and Hillary has proved she can take a punch.
But WHERE has she ever gone on the offensive AGAINST them?
Her husband even offered the VRWC the Telecommunications Act of 1996.

By all appearances, Hillary has joined them, not fought them.

[hedgehog]

43. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't

If he hadn't shown up last night, the stories today would all be about how he was afraid of Hillary!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

8. well joy for you. if this is not bashing hillary on complete frivolity

i dont know what is.

[u2spirit]

10. I said it was a bash Hillary thread

I just said I hadn't done it before and don't plan on making a habit out of it.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

11. yeah but find something substantial to bash her with, this is just stupid.

and more reflective of your pettiness than her attitudes.

[u2spirit]

12. The baseball non answer

is just a metaphor for nearly every question asked that she refused to give an answer. My point was that if she won't even answer a qustion about baseball, well you know the rest. She refused to talk about Social Security, her Iraq vote, Iran. Is that enough substance for you?

[mondo joe]

38. What's enough for me is a Dem who is a fighter in a campaign who will put decent

people on the Supreme Court.

[bleedinglib]

13. I'm very concerned??

Why did Hillary sign-on with Joe Liarman to give more authority to the king? was it to invade Iran or what? she never answered the question?
Will she be another Bush company working for the weapons contractors?
B-lib

[Bitwit1234]

14. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

So. That's how she WINS all the debates ....she won't answer any questions. HA HA HA HA HA ..Those Obama guys can't stop can they.

[burythehatchet]

19. Wins. Now that's a funny word.

You keepin' score or is Fox News?

[rodeodance]

21. Wise women as it is no win response. Now she has posts like this one!

[Canuckistanian]

23. I believe in the separation of Sport and State

Whose country do you want to live in? A Cubs fan or a Yankees fan?

Pretty soon, you'll have a baseball club owner as president.

[rug]

33. It's a stupid question.

[Dawgs]

35. No shit. She was terrible last night. And that f'ckn laugh.

[frazzled]

42. So you must pick a baseball team?

in order to be qualified for the presidency?

I have news for you: lots of people don't have a favorite team. I've lived my adult life in five major cities, four of which have baseball teams. I like them all. I could not care less. I don't care between the Cubs and the White Sox. I'm happy if the Twins or the Yankees or the Red Sox win.

Yo, this is the stupidest objection to Hillary Clilnton I've ever heard.

Go Cubbies.

[hayu_lol]

44. What has baseball to do with the presidency? ...

or even biblical passages?

Why do our candidates even agree to go into a confrontation with each other under Russert's leadership?

Sheesh!

[KamaAina]

46. This might actually be a good time for her to return to her Cubbies roots

seeing as how their AAA farm team is located in... Iowa.

The issue* first came up when she ran for the Senate in NY. Originally her opponent was to have been uber-Yankees fan Rudy Giuliani. It was a subtle way for the repukes to continue their "carpetbagger" meme. Funny how they never called out Mike Bloomberg, from Lynn, Mass., as a lifelong Red Sox fan, which he was (he says he's now in "recovery").

[NeedleCast]

48. Cubs or Yankees?

Odd question. Are these two teams traditional rivals. Dude can't even ask in intelligent baseball question. Yankees or Sox, Yankees or Mets...those would at least make sense.

I don't mind the occasional "fluff" question. At this point, don't most of us know where the candidates stand on major issues (or at least know what the candidates want us to think their position is)? You can learn (I think) a lot about each candidate in their responses to fluff questions. Thats why I enjoyed the UTube debate and have appreicated the number of debates the Dems are holding this time around.

[AngryAmish]

51. Hillary says she is a Cubs and a Yankees fan

She grew up in the suburbs of Chicago as a Cubs fan.

When she was running for Senate she said she was a Yankees fan since she was a little girl.

Both the Cubs and Yankees have an opportunity to be in the World Series this year. They might play each other for the title.

The question makes perfect sense (if one was paying attention) and this "fluff" question illuminates a possible piece of disingenuous that is charge against her.

[superkia]

53. Clinton sits on the fence and many people buy her bullshit!

The corporations pay her to sit the fence and spread political lines and her supporters eat it up as the truth. How anyone doesnt see that a vote for Clinton is a vote for war is not reading between the lines, they are closing their eyes and believing her every word.