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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:48 AM
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Would the US citizens be willing to give up their lives ......
like the monks in Burma? Would you be willing to go out into the streets and protect others who were protesting, like the people did in Burma? Would you be willing to, even tho you know it may mean death.??

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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:48 AM
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1. would you?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:49 AM
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2. ...
:thumbsup:
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:21 PM
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11. If it comes to that for us here in the West....I would!!
now Would you??!
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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:24 PM
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14. you shouldn't have to ask.
I found myself yesterday thinking, how much to go to Myanmar?
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:27 PM
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16. I know...this world needs to stand up and really take notice....
this has to stop....

I know I could get the time off of work...but in the end...would I even want to come back to the way of life I lead now...how would I be able to after seeing/being apart of what is happening to them..I don't think I could. I think I am getting the nerve to go to the edge and just fucking do it!

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:04 PM
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49. But did you buy the plane ticket?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:49 AM
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3. I've said yes when I have asked that querstion
now since you are asking, how about you?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:15 PM
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9. I am with you, nb.
You have to be willing and able to walk it.

Talking it is another thing, entirely.
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:22 PM
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12. I would stand next to you ! eom
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:23 PM
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13. Good, but the good news is
I don't think you will have this problem in Canada anytime soon.

:-)

Even if your current PM is a little out there, he is nowhere close to our so called Commander in Chief
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:29 PM
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17. no but as a human....do we have a duty to those in need? n/t
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:06 PM
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50. You could start the Canadian Resistance Army for us if you want
That would be cool. Then come rescue my wife and I we're only 30 miles from the border. HELP!!!! S O FUCKING S!!!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:52 AM
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4. I can only speak for myself, but yes, if it came to that....
Before it comes to that there will be a long time of oppression and killing anyway-- acts of heroism like that don't appear out of a vacuum. People generally know when that sort of sacrifice is necessary, I think.
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skul_Donteecha Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:52 AM
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5. Yes, I sure would.
To go out in the street like the Monks is to protect Americans but also specifically to protect members of my family including my kids and if that means putting my life on the line, so be it.
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jdlh8894 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:59 AM
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6. Protecting others and their rights?
Been there, done that, never got a t-shirt(lots of scars,mentally and physically). Would I do it again? In a F**Kin' heartbeat!!!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:02 PM
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7. Few have the courage to do something like what this man did:
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 12:03 PM by Selatius
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:24 PM
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15. Every time I see that picture...even in others posts....I cry
I wish this person never had to make that choice to put his life on the line..
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:39 AM
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46. it takes a big person to do what he did, love of country and love
for democracy.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:05 PM
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8. Myself, I don't believe a person has anything to live for unless there's something they'd die for.
I yearn for a nation with a cultural conscience ... a sense of "honor" and "duty" wherein the maxim "Live free or die" had purchase in our souls. That we can pretend to trade in such maxims without the substantiation of either "full faith and credit" or a "gold standard" indicates a moral bankruptcy, imho.

YMMV, of course.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:17 PM
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10. So very well put, TahitiNut.
That's pretty much it in a thimble.
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:34 PM
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18. I yearn with you Tahiti......my ultimate wish in this life is for PEACE
so many times I say WHY?? Why do others need/want to harm another!?? It makes no sense to me...I am just so lost right now...where do I go from here? Where do we all go from here..when others are gonna be blocking you every step of the way...I guess the end is ....NEVER GIVE UP. JUST NEVER GIVE UP.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:39 PM
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19. It is with profound sadness
that I witness the increasingly escalated meltdown of what might have been a great political model. No involvement... no recourse or improvement can be expected. "Slip sliding away... "
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:42 AM
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20. Without hesitation.
If I feel I need to defend my country with my life, I will.

Sure, I may wet my pants, but I'll put myself where I need to be and pray for whatever I do to give more to a good cause or have meaning unto itself.

Ya got that Agent Mike?

I got a million of 'us.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:13 AM
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22. Standing as tall as I can right next to you. n/t
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:10 AM
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21. Yes, I would in a heartbeat
Many Americans have risked much already, it's just that their sacrifices aren't being reported. I've seen people face wooden bullets from police. While they're not the same a "real" ones, they can and have killed people and they hurt like hell. I have no doubt that those same people would face real ones if the situation came down to it.

Many other Americans have been arrested, jailed, harassed, beaten, or lost their jobs for taking a stand against this war. There's no shortage of courage in this country. There's a serious excess of arrogance and selfishness, and that's really the problem. But give up our lives if necessary? Yes, we'd do that. We're not there yet though. We may get there but we're not there yet.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:23 AM
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23. I really don't think anybody can answer this question honestly
I don't think anyone in this thread is lying, but I also don't think they can actually know how they'd react in such a situation. Everyone likes to think they'd be a hero, that they'd stand up and face their persecutors and stare down death and fight for what's right. But most people, when confronted with death, can't escape their basic and primal instinct of self-preservation, even if that means "running away."

I'd like to think that I would be able to put my life on the line for my principles, but I can't in complete honesty sit here and say "oh yeah, I'd definitely do that! And anyone who doesn't is a coward!" No one can know until faced with that decision personally. I do think that being aware of how rare and difficult such a decision is makes it more likely that someone is capable of doing it; the people with bluster and bravado who extol their willingness to fight it out with the fascists are, in my estimation, the least likely to actually have the temerity to follow through.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:40 AM
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30. Thanks for that...
Covering, I mean.

U just don't know...
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:19 PM
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52. What a great (and honest) response.
I feel the same way.
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:24 AM
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24. This is a stupid thread
If you really believe you are getting fucked, no one is stopping you from fighting the power and getting out on the streets. Don't tell me it's "fear of the Man" because you are advocating people fight "the Man."

So you, canadianbeaver, are YOU willing to give up your life, sacrifice it all for the people of Myanmar? Or even Canada? Maybe you are. Please let me know, instead of doing nothing yourself but demanding the best from others.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:26 AM
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26. Nobody is stoppng you...
really?
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:28 AM
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27. I have no idea what your point is. n/t
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:38 AM
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28. A MSM that selectively reports on "protests" , or completely ignores them, undercuts the anger that
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 01:38 AM by BushDespiser12
enough of us feel to quash the feeling of unison necessary to motivate masses of people. We are controlled FFS!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:49 AM
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:25 AM
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25. RFK and MLK were. They are not alone. Others died too. Kent State. Civil rights workers ...
Some yes, some no, no doubt.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:40 AM
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29. Not really...I'm a physical coward. OTOH I'm not willing to be a slave
and knuckle under to tyranny either. I truly hope it doesn't come to the point where we in America have to put our lives on the line in defense of our freedoms, but I'm very much afraid that it will.
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:58 AM
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32. You depend on others to protect your freedoms
And that is ok, just make sure you thank those who sacrifice themselves so you don't have to.

You are honest, which is admirable, instead of pretending you have it all figured out.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:11 AM
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33. I simply don't know if I'd be willing to sacrifice my own life or not,
and don't know how I COULD know until the moment actually comes. But one thing is for damn sure: if I have made the ultimate commitment to freedom it's an INNER commitment. Which means it's basically none of anyone else's business.
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:23 AM
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35. You are right where you belong
Meaning it's all about YOU. Thank you for at least not signing up to protect the lives of others, when YOUR life is of the utmost concern.


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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:23 AM
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38. Look, I gave you an honest answer (two honest answers, actually),
but I see now they were more than you deserve. My Ignore list just happens to have a vacancy on it...
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ThinkFoward Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:22 AM
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34. would i?
hell yes i would. standing up for what is right is something we all should strive to achieve.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:40 AM
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36. I don't know; does anyone?
I like to think I would, it's a principle of my faith that tyranny must be fought but one never really knows how one would react until we are placed in that position and not a comparable position either because no position is really comparable. I've faced death and serious injury before but there's always the chance that this time, the nerve will fail or whatever.

I don't know but I'd like to think I would.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:43 AM
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:17 AM
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39. Would the Canadians be willling to give up their lives to defend ...
... their long-time good friend, as We the People of the United States did for England and Europe during WWII?

Granted, we let England suffer alone for a long time, and it took a direct attack on us before we finally got involved.

Not being critical here. I'm thinking of moving to Canada! :)

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:54 AM
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41. Canadians Fought In WW ll And Their Losses Proportionately Were Higher Than Our's...
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 08:54 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
eom
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:06 PM
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53. Yes, I'm aware of that, and very appreciative of their service.
The OP was about taking action now, of course, and I've long had a vision (some would say a hallucinaton) of standing on our Eastern shore and waiting for an invasion force to stage a "Normandy" landing here in the U.S.

I hope with all my being that it will not become necessary to engage in combat on our own soil.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:52 AM
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40. Give me Liberty or give me Death.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:56 AM
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42. For our Democracy?
In a hot flash! I've actually run protection for women going into Planned Parenthood -- many times. OK, so the whacko anti-choice Nazi's were only screaming and carrying signs but you never know when God is going to "speak" to one of them and mow us all down.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:46 AM
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47. yea, for real, we are up against fundis along with neo cons.
both groups are sick and not dealing with reality, making their own history and fuck everyone else.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:58 AM
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43. In an okie heart beat
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:35 AM
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44. None of you know the answer to that...
Until the day they are kicking in your door because you've made it onto some "list". Or you've been labeled an enemy combatant, (which by the way is how I think they are going to do it). None of us know. We all sit comfy in front of the idiot box, night after night, blind to the atrocities that are being committed. With the exception of what the media allows us to see to boost their ratings. We all sit around hoping this is just a passing phase in our country, that things will be better after this Chimp is out of office. Hell, I'm guilty of it too. I have a job, a mortgage, and a car payment. They've got me scared into thinking that some day, I'll try to access my bank account, and it will be frozen. The NSA has fingered me for posting on DU here, and now I'm an enemy combatant. Irrational? Maybe today it's somewhat irrational, but a few months down the road? Truth is, I'm EXACTLY where they want me, and you too. Until recently I thought purchasing a firearm was irrational. 12 hundred dollars later, and I'm the proud owner of a weapon that I pray I'll never have to use. I'm one of the most rational people you'll ever meet, but the parallels between what we are seeing now and what happened in Nazi Germany 60 or so years ago are too obvious to ignore. The lies, the control of media, the division of the citizens of this nation, the propaganda, and the fear mongering. Jesus Christ, aren't you people paying attention? Tell me I'm just being paranoid when they open the first concentration camp, and I'll tell you to kiss my ass while I'm on my way to the gun store for more ammunition.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:37 AM
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45. I think if it came to our own survival and our children we would
hopefully strike back, or do we have to have everything taken away from us for us to reach the point of confrontation.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:02 PM
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48. I am not afraid to die and for a good cause, yes. I AM afraid to
live in a dictatorship.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:06 PM
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51. Of course not. We're Americans. We don't sacrifice, we go shopping. nt
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