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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:40 PM
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Lou Dobbs: good or bad
What do you all think of Lou Dobbs?

I am a fan of his show and I agree with much of what he says. I watch his show sometimes when time permits. If I had any critiques of his show, it would be that it is on the whole negative and somewhat fatalistic. Sometimes I just take a break from watching the news, because everything on the news is negative. I heard Lou Dobbs is a Republican, though he has no problems criticizing George Bush.

I wish I could watch more Keith Olbermann but the timeslot isn't always good.

My dad is a Republican and detests Lou Dobbs, he says he's too negative and not really a Republican (my dad also thinks the economy is great and we are losing Iraq because of the "media"). But then he thinks Fox News is great and hates Nancy Pelosi, which baffles me (did Nancy Pelosi rape and murder people or eat babies? What's the deal?). Needless to say we don't agree on much of anything anymore. My dad's not some kind of hick and works in an office with alot of gays and people from southwest Asia, but he was in the military for decades and hates "liberals". I'm about the only real Democrat in the family except for my grandma and my dead grandpa who were both FDR Democrats.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:41 PM
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1. Lou Dobbs: BLECH!
:puke:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:42 PM
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2. No, thats what i vote.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:42 PM
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3. mexican hater
bad
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leftysopaw Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:49 PM
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7. well,
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 12:51 PM by leftysopaw
he has a Mexican wife. but he refuses to answer whether or not he has ever eaten a taco :)

oh, and his daughters are half Mexican :)
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:53 PM
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9. Take my wife, please
Welcome to DU, my friend.
Bill Mahar once had Dobbs on his show. His introduction of Dobbs (he was, of course, joking), "Most people just think of you as some guy on tv that hates mexicans."
Both Dobbs and myself laughed out loud at that remark.

I don't watch corporate media, and don't really hate him. I am sure I can dig up some 2003 Iraq war cheerleader comments that make his look like a neo-con pig. But I could do that to HRC too.

peace and low stress...
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:07 PM
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21. Lou Dobbs wife is Mexican?
I thought her parents were from Mexico not her. She was born in Texas.
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:51 PM
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26. I guess she is Hispanic, then
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 02:52 PM by PDenton
I generally suppport Lou Dobbs reporting on illegal immigration. I think illegal immigration is wrong, that they should build a fence (real or virtual), and hire more border guards. The whole concept of a "sanctuary city" is a bit troubling to me too, it seems to subvert the rule of law. But at the same time, I don't feel strongly that the US needs to deport every single illegal alien. Maybe an amnesty program would be OK, as long as they learn some English and don't have a criminal record.

We really need to fix Mexico though. It's just an open-sore of social problems for the next 100 years if we don't. Illegal immigration isn't going to be fixed until Mexico is fixed- a democratic society free of corruption, elections are not rigged, and the severe poverty is addressed. Lou Dobbs only briefly touches on that, and really doesn't dig into it much.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:44 PM
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4. I detest the man. He was one of the loudest cheerleaders for the Shock and Awe, war!, war!, war!
kill!, kill!, kill! campaign. I cannot stand the asshole.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:45 PM
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5. If you don't watch Olbermann, you don't watch the news....
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:45 PM
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6. Both. He was the first, and largely the only, "news" anchor to start pointing out how
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 12:47 PM by greyhound1966
detrimental the GATT and NAFTA "agreements" are for the American worker. OTOH, he is still a champion of predatory capitalism a'la Raygunism.



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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:52 PM
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8. Lou Dobbs has done more to put the plight of Working Americans
front and center than most Democrats.

It is a matter of where your values lie.

Yes, Lou call out both parties when they are guilty.
Our party deserves to be called out at times.


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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:01 PM
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10. depends on what day.
he just seems content to not find out the truth, when it suits his agenda. And that is despicable (if true)
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:09 PM
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11. Good and Bad. Mostly bad. nt
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:16 PM
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12. I mostly agree with him
He's one of the few highlighting the plight of the middle class, and isn't afraid to rip either party, and both parties are sometimes in need of this. He's come around on the war, like a lot of "unaffiliated" people. He's probably more economic driven than most DUers. I watch him a lot, but Olbermann more.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:21 PM
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13. I think Lou Dobbs will say and do anything
that will benefit Lou Dobbs. I do not trust him. His ego is so large I don't know why he doesn't work out of a football stadium.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:25 PM
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14. He's the only MSM talking head that I've ever hear rail about...
corporate greed at the expense of the middle class.

I don't watch him regularly and haven't been able to pigeonhole him into any particular political category.

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:29 PM
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15. I honestly think he is racist, his commentary about Mexicans
versus 'good' European immigrants (aka whites, imo) was appalling. I agree with him on his concern about the North American Union issue.

I used to watch him but once I saw his racist tendencies I no longer turn him on.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:35 PM
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16. He does not say Mexicans---He speaks of illegal immigrants.
Always saying everything is racist eventually makes
racism so trivial no one listens. I think we should
be careful. Racism is serious but trivialized it becomes
nothing. Dobbs is not racist.

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:52 PM
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17. He wondered why there couldn't be more "European" immigrants
(code for white) instead of those from Mexico, Asian countries. His comments at that time were not specifically related to the question of illegal immigrants. I have, however, found his tone and phrasing regarding illegal Mexican immigrants to be quite telling as well.

I beg to differ, you may not find his racist in his views, I do.
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:39 PM
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23. It might just be a rhetorical question
He might not have expected a real answer. The reason there aren't more European immigrants is most of them are happy in Europe.

Though, I must say that Florida gets alot of legal European immigrants, mostly from the UK. Not millions or even thousands but some. Most of them are not happy with their prospects in the UK, and/or they like sunshine. Personally, I think they are insane to give up universal healthcare (I was a resident of the UK for four years, their healthcare system is excellent, even as a guest I waited only 2 weeks for a cardiologist appointment), but they are nice and friendly, hardworking people for the most part... and they assimilate very quickly. I'd rather have more English people, than the folks from New Jersey or Puerto Rico moving in here, but of course it is a free country so people move around where they want.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:56 PM
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20. I think he's racist just by the sheer amount of time he spends...
on illegal immigration from south of the border. His valid concerns over American workers is marginalized, IMO, by his devotion in attacking illegal immigrants.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:53 PM
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18. He's kind of like Ahmadinejad.
Only he's over here and on TV everyday, so that makes him worse.
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:54 PM
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19. I can't stand him.
Every time I see him on CNN, he always talking about how bad immigrants are and how much we need a wall. OK Lou, why dont you build it?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:27 PM
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22. Here is a little snippet on how he enabled Bush to power
For a better perspective, click on link and read full column.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh120302.shtml

<snip>

"MITTELSTADT: House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Texas, said that even under the time-honored tradition of politicians taking credit for everything, Gore’s statement is an “outrageous claim.”
Gore, who is widely credited for coining the term “information superhighway,” raised eyebrows with a pronouncement he made Tuesday during a CNN interview.

As we’ve seen, that last statement by Mittelstadt was wildly misleading. Gore’s “pronouncement” hadn’t “raised any eyebrows” with Blitzer, for example; Blitzer said nothing when Gore made his statement. Nor had it “raised any eyebrows” at the AP itself; on March 9 and 10, the service had filed several reports on the interview, none of which mentioned Gore’s comment. No, Gore’s “pronouncement” had only “raised eyebrows” among his Republican political rivals, several of whom Mittelstadt now quoted. For example, she quoted Rep. James Sensenbrenner, who said, “Gore taking credit for creating the Internet certainly gives new meaning to the term ‘March madness.’” The next day, the AP quoted a press release from RNC chairman Jim Nicholson. “Al Gore the father of the Internet?” he asked. Gore was “claim credit for other people’s successes,” according to the RNC chief. (Nicholson, of course, would play the press corps for fools throughout the election. Revisit his tour of the fancy hotel. Links are provided below.)

In her influential report, Mittelstadt committed one of the press corps’ most common sins; she took an unremarkable statement by Gore and paraphrased it in the most tendentious way possible—which also happened to be the way Gore’s political rivals were spinning it. Had Gore ever claimed to be “father of the Internet?” The language didn’t appear in his statement, but it now led Mittelstadt’s AP report. And now, the press corps—having ignored Gore’s remark for two solid days—began to file excited reports uncritically adopting the GOP’s spin-points. Indeed, some of the GOP’s most tendentious language was simply adopted, word-for-word, by major members of the press. On March 11, for example, Sensenbrenner’s press release carried this headline: “DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR: VICE PRESIDENT GORE TAKES CREDIT FOR CREATING THE INTERNET.” On March 12, Lou Dobbs cribbed from the statement on Moneyline, his nightly CNN program. Dobbs called Gore’s remarks “a case study tonight in delusions of grandeur,” just as Sensenbrenner had done. And Gore “apparently thinks he’s the Father of the Internet,” Dobbs said, using a key phrase from Nicholson’s statement! That’s right, kids! Dobbs took “delusions of grandeur” straight from Sensenbrenner, and “father of the Internet” straight from Nicholson; like Mittelstadt, he directly adopted the GOP’s tendentious accounts of what Gore supposedly said. But there were a few things Lou Dobbs didn’t do in his report, in which he trashed Gore for his “delusions.” He didn’t describe Gore’s important work in the Congress—and he never quoted Gore’s actual statement. But so it would go throughout this election, as RNC-scripted spinners like Dobbs ginned up nasty campaigns against Gore, confounding ideas about who runs the media. On March 11, the GOP said that Gore had “delusions of grandeur.” The next day, CNN—which said nothing about Gore’s remark in real time—went ahead and used the nasty phrase too.

But then, Dobbs’ cutting-and-pasting about the Net pointed to what was to come. In three easy steps, Gore’s completely unremarkable comment was turned into something “delusional.” First, his explicit reference to the congressional context was dropped from standard press accounts. If Gore was quoted at all, his sixteen words were pared down to eight: “I took the initiative in creating the Internet.” Then, eight words were whittled to three—Gore said he created the Internet (this, of course, was the formulation which led Sensenbrenner’s release). Finally, the word “invented,” which Gore never used, became the press corps’ verb of choice. All over the press corps—all over TV—citizens were told a remarkable story: Al Gore said he invented the Internet!!! The absurd presentation was in place almost instantly, with worried pundits wracking their brains about why Gore had made such a puzzling statement. Here, for example, are early passages from just one paper—that very same paper, the Washington Times, to which Gore referred last week:"


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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:41 PM
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24. He's good. In fact, he's excellent.
The only person in the mainstream media speaking up on behalf of working Americans. The "racism" charges are smears, encouraged by globalization cheerleaders.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:42 PM
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25. I like Lou on some issues, such as American Jobs, out sourcing, and the economy. I don't believe he
is a Mexican hater, just one of many in this coutry that has genuin concerns about the future of the American worker.

What I don't like about Lou is his insistance on lumping the Dems and Reps together, as if there is no difference.

I think he is a moderate Repug, if such a thing exists anymore.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:56 PM
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27. Must be paid by the phrase
COMMUNIST China = $500 per utterance
ILLEGAL alien= $1000 per utterance
Broken borders = $250 per utterance
Illegal immigrant = $100 per utterance
Red China = $100 per utterance
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:03 PM
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28. Communist China
People do need to be reminded now days it is a Communist nation. Not just soft socialist, Communist. As in free expression of religion is illegal (there's only a short list of "legal" religions), your internet connection is monitored, unions are illegal, etc. Some people forget that about China, the businesses salivate and the politicians just bend over, all because they've put on a shiny face to the Western world and want access to capital.

Personally, I don't hate China but I'm dubious what exactly America has got out of the relationship, besides cheap junk at Wal-Mart and a giant sucking sound for good paying US jobs. Piracy is still happening over there, even after we beg and plead to end it (one reason Microsoft or Sony will never release a game console in China, there is just no money to be made). They are set to be the biggest polluter in the world soon, if they aren't already. And to top it off, they can't even make safe products. I'm wondering when this capitalist miracle is suppossed to happen in China and they become an equal trading partner?
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