Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Polls are flawed with the advent of caller id and cell phone useage as sole telephone service

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:53 PM
Original message
Polls are flawed with the advent of caller id and cell phone useage as sole telephone service
1999 article re: effect of caller id on polling data:

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0033-362X(199924)63%3A4%3C577%3ACSIIRA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-9


2004 article
http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2004/09/telephone_polls.html

Relying on Phonies
What If the Problem with Phone Polls is that They are Phone Polls?
By DAVID PRICE

For years an open secret among academic researchers and polling agencies is starting to become apparent to the general public: the reliability and predictive value of telephone-based surveys is becoming increasingly questionable.

In the past two weeks a half-dozen independent public opinion polls have clouded Americans' understanding of the presidential race. A Gallup poll shows Bush with an 8-point lead over Kerry, New York Times/CBS gave Bush a 9-point lead while Pew and other found a dead-heat. As wonks, pundits and spin doctors thrash about trying to account for wide disparities in presidential poll results, it might be time to take two steps backwards and re-examine the basic reliability and assumptions of land-line telephone polling research methods.

As I read these latest disparate results I first wondered if poll respondents simply couldn't differentiate between the two candidates being sold to them-this sort of "brand confusion" in advertising often leads to similar results. But the constant bombardment of advertisements about the candidates' past (in)actions during the Vietnam War has created identifiable brand loyalties, so something else must be going on. There are multiple reasons to wonder if the once robust reliability of telephone surveys is starting to come undone.

Jimmy Breslin wrote a fine piece this past week codifying what many of us social scientists who critically use and evaluate research methods have been saying and thinking for some time. As Breslin says, "anybody who believes these national political polls are giving you facts is a gullible fool." While Breslin's language may strike some as harsh, his reasoning is dead-on.

As a social scientist who uses both quantitative and qualitative research methods, I am not one to dismiss survey research out of hand, but something has methodologically gone awry when polls are swinging about this wildly. Obviously past telephone-survey presidential polls have accurately predicted election outcomes, but Americans' social interactions via telephones may be evolving in ways that render past telephonic sampling techniques unreliable.

We Americans simply don't answer our phones like we used to. Entire industries are now devoted to helping us not answer the phone. Voicemail, Caller ID, caller-specific-rings, cell-phones, even email have fundamentally transformed the ways we (don't) answer the phone when it rings. These and other technological innovations have moved us from a late-20th Century near-pavlovian automatic response of answering the phone when it rang, to new levels of screening or ignoring calls without a sense that we might be missing something important. When pollsters call under these technological conditions they are now increasingly treated as any telemarketer or unknown caller would be, thus the people who pollsters actually get to talk to are becoming increasingly less representative of the general public. There now may be something unusual about people who are willing to answer the phone a talk with strangers, and we should be skeptical about generalizing from the results of these surveys. It is possible that the new habit of non-phone-answering is evenly distributed throughout the population (thus reducing this as a sampling confound), but this seems unlikely.

Anthropologist Robert Lawless once speculated on the possibility that many "native informants" were often marginal, or "odd" members of their societies. They were at times so unusual that they were the only ones willing to deal with the oddest of outsiders: anthropologists. The implication of this finding of course is that if anthropologists' primary informants are often marginal people, then it can be questionable to generalize from the information collected from interviews with them.

Gathering survey information by telephone can be a bit like calling someone on the phone to tell them their phone isn't working. Pollsters and those who consume the products of surveys need to remember: the fundamental limiting feature of telephone surveys is that you can't talk to people who won't (or can't) talk to you.

The first time pollsters and politicos got burned by forgetting that you can't conduct phone interviews with people who don't answer phones, we saw the classic 1948 photograph of Harry Truman triumphantly clasping the Chicago Tribune banner headline proclaiming "DEWEY BEATS TRUMAN." The Tribune went to press early, printing a story based on pre-election polls indicating a slam dunk for Dewey. The shortcoming of these polls was the failure of polling agencies to consider how the people responding to their surveys were fundamentally different from people who had no opportunity to respond to their surveys. They hadn't understood that in post-war America the distribution of American wealth and the distribution of telephone was such that those who could afford telephones tended to vote for Dewey, while those too poor to have phones tended to be New Deal Democrats who supported Truman.

But statisticians and pollsters know that new telephone technologies present serious problems for standard telephone surveys. A Pew Research Center study released last April pleadingly entitled, "Survey Experiment Shows: Polls Face Growing Resistance, But Still Representative" found that:

"More African-Americans than Whites have caller-ID (73% vs 47%) and a higher percentage of Blacks use it for call screening (34% vs 24%). Young people, ages 18-29 are the group most likely to say they always screen calls with caller-ID (41% say this), compared with only 12% those aged 65 or older."

Pew also found that more women than men were found to use features like call blocking (20% vs. 14%). If we can get over the paradoxical fact that this data was collected in phone interviews (and of course the point of this piece is that I'm not sure we can get over that) you can see that those profiled as being most prone to answering phone surveys tend to be: (more) White, (more) older, and (more) male. Or if you prefer to think this through in hall-of-mirrors-phone-paradoxical-mode: We simply don't know how many households with Caller-ID were called and didn't choose to answer. Out of those homes who did answer the phone it was reported that those who didn't use call screening were more white, male & older. But for all we know there is a whole universe of households with the opposite attributes who used Caller-ID to avoid this poll.

Remarkably, this Pew report concluded that there was no direct evidence that these new technologies were, "undermining the reliability of survey research." This study did grudgingly admit that, "it is possible that call screening is even more prevalent in households in the sample where an interview was never obtained." In other words: we don't know what's really going on because we can only talk to people who aren't using Caller ID systems to keep us away from them. Given Pew's own vested interest in finding high levels of reliability in phone surveys it is not surprising to find this self-serving conclusion. But while Pew and rest remain devoted to the convenience of land-line phone surveys, Zogby has increasingly investigated other means of polling Americans because of phone surveys' decreasing reliability, which in the language of research methodology is measured by the ability to consistently replicate findings.

There is a mixed literature exploring the possibility that poll results can cause voting behavior. It simply isn't clear if polls can act as advertising endorsements of candidates or ballot measures. But in another sense, skewed presidential polls can significantly alter voters' behavior. Though telephone-based polls' predictability may be becoming increasingly unreliable, if they broadcast messages of certainty, predictions of a presidential fix can keep people away from the polls, and while the differences between the two presidential candidates may not matter to some, other important national, statewide and local issues can be determined by the low voter turn-outs that can result from such misleading polls.

We will have to see how well these polls do in predicting the outcome of November's election. As others before us have well argued, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. But in a world of such saturated advertising, the marketing of pudding can impact what people think they are eating.

David Price teaches anthropology at St. Martin's College in Olympia, Washington. His latest book, Threatening Anthropology: McCarthyism and the FBI's Surveillance of Activist Anthropologists has just been published by Duke University Press. He can be reached at: dprice@stmartin.edu





Weekend Edition Features for August 7 / 8, 2004

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:56 PM
Response to Original message
1. Well here's how those polls did in predicting the election results in 2004
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/blog_11_8_04_1018.html

1) Mason-Dixon
Failed to Project Winner: 6.2% | Average Error = 1.9

A final Minnesota poll showing a one-point Bush win is the only blemish on Mason-Dixon's otherwise perfect scorecard this year. Not only did Brad Coker project the correct winner in 15 out of the 16 battleground states we looked at, he did so with amazing accuracy. Three states were dead on the final number and the overall difference between Mason-Dixon's final polls and the actual election results was a minuscule 1.8 points. Furthermore, if you look down through the list of Mason-Dixon's projections it's impossible to detect any consistent leanings toward one candidate or another.

2) Rasmussen
Failed to Project Winner: 6.2% | Average Error = 2.1

Rasmussen's battleground state polling this year was extremely solid and a close second to Mason-Dixon. He was dead on in PA and just missed in IA. Average error was a very good 2.3 points, with NJ and AZ the only states where he wasn't within three points of the final spread. No partisan trends either way.

3) SurveyUSA
Failed to Project Winner: 7.1% | Average Error = 2.6

Some people have questioned methodology and reliability of SurveyUSA's polls. Their performance in the battleground states this year should answer a good number of those questions: 13 out of 14 states called correctly, including dead-on numbers in Maine, Michigan, and Ohio. The difference between projections and actuals in a few of the states (CO, FL, NV & NJ) was on the high side, even if it was within the margin of error. No identifiable leanings toward either candidate.

4) Research 2000
Failed to Project Winner: 14.3% | Average Error = 3.1

Del Ali's firm only conducted polling in seven battleground states this year. They got six of those states right, including nailing a Bush one-point victory in Iowa. The big miss came in Florida, where Research 2000's final poll called for a one-point Kerry win. Average error from the final results was 3.1 percent - which is respectable - though in every instance except one (Iowa) they overestimated support for Kerry and underestimated support for Bush.

5) Quinnipiac
Failed to Project Winner: 33.3% | Average Error = 2.3

Many people dismissed Quinnipiac's final poll in Florida (Bush +8) as an outlier. Wrong. Quinnipiac was closer than most in FL, and they also did a nice job in the only two other states where they polled, NJ and PA. In fact, Quinnipiac would have finished pretty high in our rankings except they called for a tie in Pennsylvania. All three of their projections overestimated the spread for President Bush.

6) Zogby
Failed to Project Winner: 27.3% | Average Error = 3.6

As we all know, Zogby had been on record for months saying that Kerry was going to win this race. Despite his final tracking poll that put Bush ahead by one point nationally, Zogby's polling at the state level reflected his belief that Kerry was going to be the beneficiary of huge turnout - especially among the youth vote. The result is that Zogby missed three of the eleven states he polled in (FL, IA, and NM), had a relatively high error rate across the board (3.8%), and his numbers generally skewed in favor of John Kerry.

Adding insult to injury, Zogby's bizarre election day antics calling for "surprises" in Colorado and Virginia and a decisive 311 electoral vote victory for Kerry suggest he was relying on (not to mention taken in by) the badly skewed early exit poll data.

Let's be honest: Zogby's conduct this year bordered on outrageous. No other independent pollster was out making public predictions of a John Kerry or George W. Bush victory months before hand. And no other pollster decided to wait until 5:30pm Eastern time on election day to post their final numbers.

7) American Research Group
Failed to Project Winner: 50% | Average Error = 2.0

ARG got a bit unlucky this year. They called for a 1-point Bush win in NH and the result was Kerry +1. They also projected a 1-point Kerry win in New Mexico and the result was Bush +1. The big miss, however, came in Florida where ARG's last poll had Kerry up two. ARG did offset these misses by nailing tight outcomes in IA and WI giving them an excellent score in overall average error.

8) FOX News/Opinion Dynamics
Failed to Project Winner: 50% | Average Error = 4.5

It stands to reason that if your national numbers are way off then at least some of your state numbers are going to be bad as well. This is certainly true of FOX's final poll in FL where they showed Kerry ahead by five points. In fact, that 10-point miss stands out as the worst among the final battleground polls we looked at. Another miss in Wisconsin put FOX News/Opinion Dynamics at 50/50 in battlegrounds, with an average error rate of 4.5%

9) Strategic Vision
Failed to Project Winner: 44% | Average Error = 2.4

We were assaulted by some people for labeling Strategic Vision a Republican polling firm. For the record, the reason we did this was twofold: 1) they had a history of polling for Republican clients and 2) their polls were not sponsored by any independent media outlets like newspapers and television stations.

Strategic Vision's projections for a Bush win in MI and a tie in NJ, seems to provide evidence that, at least in these two states, they were skewing toward President Bush. Their polling in the other seven battleground states was reasonable, though except for Florida and Ohio, they consistently underestimated support for Senator Kerry.

10) CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Failed to Project Winner: 67% | Average Error = 5.8

To find Gallup's name at the bottom of the list is nothing short of shocking. In four of the biggest, most important states in the election this year (FL, OH, PA, and WI) CNN/USA Today/Gallup wasn't even close. In fact, they got it exactly backwards calling for Kerry wins in Florida and Ohio by 3 and 4 points, and Bush wins in PA and WI by 4 and 8. - T. Bevan & J. McIntyre 10:18 am Link | Email | Send to a Friend
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Compare the polling results in the dem primary in 2004
Dean and clark trounced Kerry who was in single digits in the polls.

You might want to read the articles RINSD!

I will FIGHT with all my heart and soul to make sure that hillary DOES NOT win the primary in my state of Michigan. I am as much entitled to my opinion regarding her candidacy a ability to lead this country as you are. In my opinion, she is WRONG for this country! Her position on Iran is dead wrong. She has never recanted her vote on the IWR...

I find it offensive that HRC has been declared the winner months away from the primaries and has been shoved down our throats. The members of the democratic party will make up their own minds despite what pundits say.

They came out in droves to vote the repubs out of office so that an end to the war could be brought about. Do you really think that those same people are going to come out to vote for a women who has signed on to the escalation of tensions in the middle east and who has helped to provide cheney and bush with a green light to contrive a new front in the war...namely iran?

I posted these articles to provide some hope for those who may give up and not come out to vote as they have been programed to believe that because of polls, HRC has it in the bag. She clearly does not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #4
12. I read the article and it was speculation on what might happen.
Your problem seems to be you think these polls can predict things when they cannot. They are a snapshot of public opinion at a given time.

"Dean and clark trounced Kerry who was in single digits in the polls."

I assume you are referring to Sept 2003. vs telephone polling taken leading up to IA. Because telephone polling leading up to IA did an ok job though caucus polling will always be more difficult than primary polling because of the nature of the caucus.

"I posted these articles to provide some hope for those who may give up and not come out to vote as they have been programed to believe that because of polls, HRC has it in the bag. She clearly does not."

So instead of simply talking about how polls are a snapshot of the current time and can certainly change you misrepresent an article in a ham handed attempt to disparage all polling.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. Compare the exit polls to the telephone polls...and frankly the election results Rinsd
But my guess is that you probably don't believe that their was any "hanky panky" with the voting machines/polling places in 2004
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:01 PM
Response to Original message
2. Interesting... I certainly use my features all the time... Also, you have
to be home to answer a land line.. How many people are home that often these days? I'm at work, on the go, or playing with the little one. I would answer a poll call.... but I've never, ever gotten a call from one that I know of.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. Assuming you've even got a landline anymore
Up until two weeks ago, all I had was my cell. Many people my age are in the same boat, especially college-aged people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tian Zhuangzhuang Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. It's not a boat.
Haven't had a land line for close to 10 years. Don't really see the need for it. And I'm not exactly a spring chicken.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. The only reason I got one was for internet access
I don't make a whole lot of calls to begin with, and I work evenings so 99% of the ones I do make are after-hours when it's free.

Living through the Great Blackout of OMFG on the Eastern seaboard a few years back taught me the value of having a cheap corded phone, though, so I'll probably just keep one around for emergencies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:08 PM
Response to Original message
3. Telephone polls are flawed to begin with.
Not everyone has a phone, period.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Precisely. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:33 PM
Response to Original message
7. Very interesting. A lot of people (esp. under 30s) don't have land lines. Period.
Polling (and similar) calls are not allowed on cell phones. Therefore they can't be polled on the phone.

This may explain a lot.

Rec.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:59 PM
Response to Original message
9. As someone who uses caller ID to screen my calls,
if the pollsters want folks to answer the phone, they need to be more honest/forthcoming with their caller ID info.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:10 PM
Response to Original message
13. I've only ever been polled
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 01:11 PM by supernova
by the GOP and conservo groups, the Dems never call me on polling. My dad was a repub, old style conservative, but he's been dead for 12 years. So I know their lists are at least that much out of date.

The only reason I keep my land line is for my Tivo and for when the power goes out, to be able to report said outages.

edit: I always use caller ID and only answer it if it's someone I know. I'm just not a big telephone fan.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 01:12 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC