DUers that feel the best way to support our brave troops is to get them home ASAP: Check in!!

[renie408]

As a Democrat, I support our troops because I believe in the inherent value of ALL people. No one should die to further some poorly thought out political experiment. No one should die so that others may profit.

Noone's life is less valuable than another's. Noone's.

[TwilightZone]

1. I doubt that you'll find much disagreement on that issue.

Contrary to what some claim.

[renie408]

19. I know.

I disliked the tone of that last 'post here if you support the troops' thing. It sounded so GOPish, to me.

I think the best way to support the troops is to take care of them. Sticking a yellow ribbon on your car is easy. Getting them back home isn't.

[TwilightZone]

28. Yellow ribbons....

It's funny how many people seem to think that yellow ribbons is all it takes.

[lame54]

80. how many more have to die?

watch this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tMACzBomDK4

[Jonathan Pollard]

88. They're not coming home

Unless they're in coffins.

[PDJane]

2. I'm with you.

And am a supporter of banning the DU munitions that the US has been dropping around the globe.

[blondeatlast]

3. HERE! And I support our troops NOT furthering a madman's ambitions in Iran,

either, regardless of which country (US or Iran) that madman leads.

[renie408]

6. Amen to that! n/t

[tblue]

109. Ditto! nt

[Jonathan Pollard]

90. No to military adventurism

[Dora]

4. Bring them home. Let the healing begin. nt

[blm]

5. here -

and why Biden won the debate in NH. He straight up said that IF Bush doesn't implement the Dem Senate's withdrawal plans now, then he will bring troops home immediately, as the only reason they will be there at that point is for FODDER.

Unfortunately that SERIOUS and SIGNIFICANT statement has been shut out by the corporate whores of the press.

[blondeatlast]

7. Biden is looking better to me--my issues are Iran, Iraq, SCOTUS, and everything else.

I know he isn't popular on DU, but his vote on K/L sent him soaring up my list.

[The Wielding Truth]

78. Yep. Biden has been plugging along and so has Kucinich.

[EFerrari]

9. I agree. Biden did a great job. So, he must be shunned

by the corporate media.

[lyonn]

32. It is so telling that Biden is discounted in the election process

He is my choice. Edwards, Richardson, all are valuable candidates. So sad the media only rants about Hillary and Obama. What is crazy is that this could be the way the corp. media gets Dems to hack on those two. Who knows, but bottom line, all the Dem candidates should be shown respect. Notice how all the dumb ass repubs get almost equal attention?

[EFerrari]

35. Yep, even that idiot Hunter.

Biden has occasional Macaca moments which don't help him with what we used to call the base.

But the RW media discounts good candidates to set up dogfights among the "top" contenders. Good trick.

[Nite Owl]

23. Even if that means

cutting off funding for the war? I thought he previously said that he would never ever do that and that's the only way I can see withdrawal taking place because there aren't the votes to overcome a veto.

[lyonn]

39. George has assured us there is no way in hell he is bringing troops

home. Bush will find dollars from some other source to keep them there till he leaves office. So, I think Biden's theory on this is if the idiot is going to keep them over there until a new pres. is in office, then he wants them to have those Mraps, or whatever they are called, to protect them while patrolling those killing streets.

[blm]

51. That's what he said - If Bush doesn't implement a withdrawal plan from the senate

he will IMMEDIATELY withdraw troops when he takes office because there will be no mission and no reason for them to be in Iraq at all, except as FODDER.

The statement was a blockbuster, but getting NO ATTENTION from the media.

[Nite Owl]

62. Oh ok

you mean after he would be Pres.
That's good because so far only Richardson and Kucinich have said that. Biden would be a good President, I like him a lot, more since he's running than before. I find him honest. I may not always like what he says but he doesn't fudge things.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. Hell, I even support bring the cowardly, or indifferent, ones home.

ASAP.

[EFerrari]

10. Or that lefthanded guy that doesn't lace his boots up very well.

:)

[renie408]

11. You mean, you even want to save the 'phony soldiers'?? n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. Yeah. But, I'm biased, having been a "phony" marine.

[renie408]

20. Nahhh...I bet you were the real thing. n/t

[lyonn]

34. Laughed out loud on that one! Love it Tierra..... nt

[tears4terra]

I agree! nt

[me b zola]

12. Checking in

Honor our troops, bring them home NOW!

[Lucinda]

14. I think we all agree on that...the disagreement is in the details n/t

[spanone]

15. not one soldier should die for the oil barons, yet so many have & will

[lonestarnot]

16. DUer against warmonger enrichment! Serial killers and thieves!

[BrklynLib at work]

17. It seems so self-evident. It is amazing that everyone cannot understand that.

Bringing them home fast is the best way to support them. All else is supporting BushCo and the NeoCons in their quest for power and riches.

[Raster]

18. BRING THEM HOME! BRING THEM HOME! BRING THEM HOME!

End cheney*/bush*'s illegal and immoral war NOW! Support the Troops! BRING THEM HOME!

Wake up America!:kick:

[ThomCat]

21. Our military should ONLY be used for defense.

:patriot:

Not to expand some corporation's market, or to guarantee corporate access to some resource, and not to change some other country's government unless a massive humanitarian crisis demands it.

[renie408]

27. I agree....mostly

I almost added that, but I also think we should contribute military support to causes like Darfur should some kind of international force be sent.

[lyonn]

47. That's the madness of bush, totally ignore situations like Darfur

and jump in and destroy Iraq when he knew and we knew they had nothing to do with Rudy's 9-11.

Bush has no shame.

He also has no brains.

Must add our idiot leader is broken up about the Monks all of a sudden. Did someone show him YouTube?

[snappyturtle]

22. I'm here with you. I think the best way to support the troops is to

work towards getting them home asap.

[Klukie]

24. Here.

[Squatch]

25. This soldier says bring them home, now!

[OzarkDem]

26. Checking in

Spilling the blood of our soldiers should be the last resort, not the first.

[neweurope]

29. Hersh says (interview in German magazin "DerSpiegel")

that you have only two options:
A) get the troops out today before midnight
B) get the troops out tomorrow before midnight

What I've been hearing from leading Democrats the last days makes me sick. Get the F* out.

-------------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[renie408]

31. Yeah...2013?? What the hell? I have waffled about immediate withdrawal and that shocked me.

It is one of the things that has made up my mind. I used to dither back and forth about immediate withdrawal. Now I don't.

Get them out now.

[lyonn]

52. 2013??!!

The only military person I know is back from Iraq and will no doubt go back about Feb. or March. In my wilder moments I visualize keeping him captive on my farm until this mess is over. He will be visiting us sometime in Oct. What is the penalty for kidnapping and harboring a Marine? If I go through with this plan will any of you send/smuggle me pretzels and beer? Thin pretzels as my teeth are now fragile.

[renie408]

60. Sure thing! How about pretzel chips?? Those should work. n/t

[lyonn]

61. Hey, criminals can't be choosy...... nt

[Amonester]

86. Just in case this could be helpful in supporting him:

Why we're against the war (IVAW)

http://www.ivaw.org/faq

Support the troops: Bring them Home Now.

[neweurope]

36. Dupe -self delete

[renie408]

37. I was trying

to stick as closely to the title of the other thread as I could. That thread and its OP gave me a bad vibe. It was so unconditional.

We can bring home the chicken hearted and bad soldiers as well as the brave ones. But that wouldn't have drawn the comparison I was looking for.

[neweurope]

41. I understand :)

But my dislike to those automatic praises is meanwhile also automatic.

-------------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[IsItJustMe]

82. I also thought that post was suspect. Thanks for post with your take on it all.

[yellerpup]

30. Time to come home!

The Mission has been accomplished since May, 2003. No sense in waiting around in Iraq to find out what the NEXT mission may be.

[Vidar]

33. Yes! Send them cookies & return passes home--the best care package ever.

[neweurope]

38. As to the "brave soldiers" I also want to remind you of

the following thread:

"I find the language of reverence that swaddles the military distressing":
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Why can't they just be soldiers? Why must they automatically be "brave soldiers"??!

In Fallujah 36 US-citizens died as opposed to 800 Iraqis, 600 of which were CIVILIANS.
Brave soldiers, indeed.

----------------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[renie408]

43. Ok, let's bring them home, too. In fact, I bet the Iraqis would really appreciate it if we would. n/

[Jonathan Pollard]

87. Polls of Iraqis say they want the troops out too n/t

[ShortnFiery]

40. Here!

:hi:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

42. present and accounted for!

[renie408]

44. Is this where I gush, "Thanks for the Greatest Page, DU!!"?? n/t

[Hell Hath No Fury]

45. Like YESTERDAY!

Where's a damn time machine when you need one... :(

[Javaman]

46. They shouldn't have gone to begin with but...

since that was a forgone conclusion, they should have left after baghdad fell. but what do I know? :shrug:

[Bluebear]

48. Tout suite!

[malaise]

49. Bring them home now.

End this fugging illegal occupation

[Rhiannon12866]

50. I'm here and I sure agree. And that's been the sticker on my car since 2004...

*sigh*;(

[H2O Man]

53. Yes!

Nominated.

We need to work in the manner that Martin Luther King did, to resolve conflict with our enemies. Sending young people to fight, kill, and die for this administration's lies is morally wrong.

[flvegan]

54. Kucinich pledged to have them out in what, March '09?

Seems like the soonest we're going to get them out. That's why I'm voting for him.

[frog92969]

76. Me too

One of several reasons.

[Hydra]

55. Here!

no more blood for oil! Bushco can go themselves if they want it that badly!

[Individualist]

56. Bring them home now

[Me.]

57. Bring Them Home

A long life for each of them.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

58. Let the candidates KNOW THIS!

Contact info for teh candidates and Dem honchos here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1932851

Let them know "no out of Iraq = no $$$ or vote"!

[bvar22]

59. American Refusenik here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3559786

[opiate69]

63. Present!

[defendandprotect]

64. It's already nine months overdue to bring them home from this illegal war -- Pelosi/Reid Suck!!!

[babylonsister]

65. Political experiment, or terminal assholedness? Home NOW! nt

[L. Coyote]

66. Undo the LIES and DECEPTIONS ASAP. Bring them home ALIVE!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

67. I'm with you, renie

:-)

The U.S. hasn't been involved in a justifiable war since maybe the Korean War.

[TankLV]

68. Bring them home safe NOW...

don't let another one DIE for a LIE...a REPUKE lie...

[Richard Steele]

69. Damn right! Support the troops- stop killing them for corporate profit! nm

[_dynamicdems]

70. Yes, support our troops by bringing them home. AMEN. n/t

[Exultant Democracy]

71. Yes they are people too, and they don't deserve to die for this sick joke.

[Desertrose]

72. The sooner the better....

but the US better be prepared to deal with the problems they'll have - physical & emotional- when they return.

What a f'd up mess.

My heart goes out to them and the people of Iraq.

[FloridaJudy]

73. Hear, hear.

The best way to support our troops is to stop using them as political footballs. Bring them home NOW.

[MissMarple]

74. Present. With caviots....of course. n/t

[frog92969]

75. Everybody out! Now!

The only ones who want us there are Al-CIAduh and Bush's puppet regime.
I don't want to steal their oil. What would they do, sell sand?

[DLnyc]

77. Support poor guys and gals who got suckered into fighting Mr. Awol's

excellent adventure and dying for Exxon-Mobile, Blackwater, ChristianhyporiteInc. and all the rest of the bullshit and also support the poor fools here at home that were too old, had too many arrests, were scared of dying or any other reason we didn't go die in this goddam war, just like the last thirteen they fought since WWII okay, I admit that was worth fighting (even though a little less support of the fascists and being on the human side in Spain could have helped prevent that shit maybe) get the hell out of this endless cycle hatetraumaretributionvoteformeorthebigboogeymankillallyourleadersanywaygotthemediayoucan'tdoshit911911911911911911terraterraterrawolfwolfwolfbigstrongleader it's all just brain manipulation horseshit on steroids we have the resources and brains just

DON'T BUY THE GODDAMNED WAR!

(thanks, I feel better now)

P.S. for non-USAian persons: pleasepleaseplease stop buying US shit boycott us end the goddamned evilbanal empire thanks!

[Skidmore]

79. Bring them home now.

Peace for the world. We don't need to be underwriting the sick neocon dreams.

[JTFrog]

81. Check. K&R n/t

[Preening Fop]

83. The Imperial U.S. Empire Occupying 133 countries with Heavily Armed Military Force...!

Until the last of Earth's crude oil has been burned,
The world's greatest Malignant Narcissistic Empire
will continue to protect its corporate handlers.

Tis simply the genetic nature of a blood soaked primitive specie.

[Release The Hounds]

84. Long overdue

[Amonester]

85. Abused by greedy bastards, Enron employees got my support.

They're safe now. Home.

Abused by lying greedy bastards a lot worst, troops get my support.

They're not safe. Not home.


http://www.dennis4president.com/go/homepage-items/%91stunning-admission%92-by-clinton,-obama,-edwards-is-tantamount-to-a-permanent-occupation-of-iraq/

Edited to add the link.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

89. Bring them home now! eom

[GoddessOfGuinness]

91. Can we email this thread to Pelosi?

Bring them home NOW!

[bcoylepa]

92. yesterday

Bring em home- support the troops

[angryxyouth]

93. The best way to support the troops is to get them home!!

We have to make sure that they have the medical and mental support that they need. It makes me sad to know that these brave kids are going to be the next wave of the homeless Vets.

We should also support them by, all of us, fighting to restore the constitution, democracy and the rule of law in this country. We need to hold accountable the fascist who put them into harms way. We need to fight to restore the 5th. estate who cheer lead this country to war with out question. We need to de-fund the governments propaganda machine. We need to weed out the lawmakers ,regardless of party who have profited from this war and any other federal profiteering. We need to ensure transparent and fair elections. We need to make noise!!:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[Nikki Stone1]

94. Bring them home now. The war was illegal and immoral at the outset.

nt

[LWolf]

95. Present and accounted for.

:patriot:

[rasputin1952]

96. Yep...

:patriot:

[NMMNG]

97. K&R

War is good for nothing.

[W T F]

98. I'm all in!

[Justyce]

99. That would be me! Bring them home NOW.

Why should our soldiers have to die for a bullshit war-for-profit.

[Totally Committed]

100. Here!

:thumbsup:

BRING THEM ALL HOME NOW!


TC

[UrbScotty]

101. Bookmarking - I like how you framed this.

:thumbsup:

[Irishonly]

102. Yes

Checking in and shouting out. I was so in hopes I wouldn't have to replace our "We love our troops, Bring them home sign" but it's tattered and faded. Tomorrow I will head to the Village and the Farmer's Market and buy a new one although the one that's stood for so long will not be taken down until every last one of them is home.

[gtar100]

103. I agree with everything you've stated.

Thank you.

[bear425]

104. Hear, Hear! And...

here, here.

:patriot:

[Orsino]

105. I'd say "as a Democrat," too, but most of my Dem leaders disagree.

I want 'em home years ago.

[renie408]

107. Who says that you are the one who isn't a Democrat? n/t

[wildbilln864]

106. Here, here! n/t

[PianoBlack]

108. Peace is the only way to survive!

[democrank]

110. Bring them home.

All of them. ~PEACE~

[earth mom]

111. Bring them home NOW. And that does not mean by 2013!

:grr:

[Maraya1969]

112. Right here!

[porphyrian]

113. Here. I think we should bring the ones who aren't brave home, too. - n/t

[Bluerthanblue]

114. ME!- war's a bloody game

"But the past is just the same,—and War’s a bloody game. . . .
Have you forgotten yet? . . .
Look down, and swear by the slain of the War that you’ll never
forget." - Siegfried Sassoon

[Stump]

115. Amen

Do it now!!!

[SeattleGirl]

116. I'm in!

They are being used as political fodder for Bush and the Republicans. They need to come home, NOW!