Just What We Need! A Candidate Who Will "bring strong spiritual values into the White House"!

[BlooInBloo]

And JUST in the nick of time! Because if there's one thing we need MORE of in government, it's SPIRITUAL VALUES.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/21/usnews/whispers/main3191148.shtml

(US News) During yesterday's Democratic presidential candidate debate, the most interesting exchange, in this observer's opinion, came in the form of responses to a question on religion. The man who posed the question, Seth Ford of South Jordan, Utah, e-mailed: "My question is to understand each candidates' view of a personal God. Do they believe that, through the power of prayer, disasters like Hurricane Katrina or the Minnesota bridge collapse could have been prevented or lessened?"
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KUCINICH: "Now, the founders meant to have separation of church and state, but they never meant America to be separate from spiritual values. As president, I'll bring strong spiritual values into the White House..."

Bye, Moonbeam McCrazypants.

[fenriswolf]

1. yeah your hilarious

whos crazier? the guy who thinks of religion in non concrete terms? like a form of positive energy that can be used for positive uses? or the guy who "god" personally talks to and gives him "mandates" in the form of war?

[BlooInBloo]

3. It's like asking me which Oompa Loompa is shorter. I'm certain there's one correct answer...

... But I'll be damned if my eyes are sharp enough to tell.

[LearnedHand]

16. DUzy!!! OMIGOD, that's the funniest thing I've read all day!

:rofl:

[BlooInBloo]

17. Glad somebody liked it. They pick oddball posts of mine for DUzys these days though. :( ...

... Oh well - it's better than not getting them at all.

[Cha]

18. I'm with Kucinich ..I don't do

Fucking Dogma..Dennis is right.. "KUCINICH: "Now, the founders meant to have separation of church and state, but they never meant America to be separate from spiritual values. As president, I'll bring strong spiritual values into the White House..."

There's a 180 degree difference between listening to WAR being preached from the pulpit and recognizing the Spirit in us all that makes us want to be kind and helpful to others as well as ourselves.

I like it that Dennis isn't talking about "God, Religion, and Jesus" like so many fakes are..Yeah, they'll talk about Jesus, Prince Of Peace and vote to give the monkeysquad to go ahead to kill innocent people.

Fucking bobbing heads.

[gateley]

2. It's an irrelevant, stupid question and shouldn't have been asked. Stop pandering

to the religious right.

[JuniperLea]

4. Maybe Kucinich understands the difference

between religion and spirituality.

[BlooInBloo]

5. I don't want EITHER being a significant component of how I'm governed...

... People of course differ on that.

[JuniperLea]

6. Agreed eom

[timtom]

38. Actually, what you have now

is a profound lack of spirituality in the white house.

[msongs]

7. peace and love are spiritual values. Are you in favor of peace and love? nt

[H2O Man]

8. There is zero chance

of having any serious candidate in the democratic primaries who is not going to speak about religious/spiritual values.

[Raksha]

9. We do need spiritual values in the White House,

as long as the are Dennis Kuchinich's brand of spiritual values, which just HAPPEN to be mine too! I have never seen anything the least bit spiritual about what the Robertson/Dobson crowd claims are "spiritual values."

[JohnnyLib2]

10. Sad, how * has damaged even this basic part of life for so many

Americans. Now, even the broad term, "spiritual values," is tainted.

[porphyrian]

11. What is a "strong spiritual value" anyway?

Haunting creepy houses?

Anyway, I'm still voting for him over any of the other lumps running unless and until Gore runs.

[karlrschneider]

12. Spiritual value: Crown Royal on sale.

...

[PDenton]

13. I bet alot of people prayed they wouldn't get hit

by Katrina. The theology of Paul Tillich and the suffering God would probably be alien to most of these people. No, they want to believe in the shaman God who blesses the righteous and smites the wicked. Good things happening to bad people don't make any sense in their theology, unless the people were secretly wicked. Even Jesus warned about this kind of thinking, when the apostles asked them if a city that was destroyed was especially wicked. His answer was "no" and that God " makes the rain fall on the just and unjust".

Just shows you most Americans understanding of spirituality. "Personal God"... being from Utah of course he means the God and Mrs. God, the fleshly alien beings up living in Kolob (a star in Mormonism), no doubt. Or something like that. Most people don't understand that "person" in the theological sense doesn't mean "personal" in the everyday sense, I guess. To most Americans "personal" God means like George Bush, you've got a hotwire to revelation.

[scarletwoman]

14. I agree. It would be wonderful to have someone with strong spiritual values in the WH!

Religion mostly sucks, but I'm all for spiritual values. Thank you for posting this, it just makes me appreciate Dennnis Kucinich all the more.

sw

[Rwalsh]

15. President Carter

had strong spiritual values. . . is he a moonbeam,too has strong spiritual values.

So I guess you consider him a "moonbeam", too. You won't find a lot of people who agree with you. Including me.

Edited for elaboration

[MadHound]

19. At least Kucinich isn't hobnobbing with the rich, crazy and religious right, unlike Hillary

"Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection." <http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html>

Hmm, Kucinich who wants separation of church and state, or Hillary, who's actively working with those who want a theocracy. Who to choose, who to choose:think:

[Cha]

21. Theocracy=autocracy=

Fascism.

[Forkboy]

20. Oh...I thought this would be about Hillary and her prayer group.

I'm guessing her religion is ok with you.

Bye,hypocritical DUer.

[MadHound]

23. No, I don't think that B in B wants to touch that one for some reason

Really a shame, I was looking forward to the excuses and accusations of bias against an award winning magazine.

[BlooInBloo]

24. Oh - I didn't hear she was gonna make a cabinet-level position out of her prayer group...

... Thanks for the update.

[MadHound]

25. Doesn't have to make it a cabinet level position,

Just listen to those fine folks like Santorum and Brownback, whispering in her ear. Is this really what you want? Dedicated theocrats advising a president?

[BlooInBloo]

26. Of course not. Then again, I don't buy the premise...

... That Clinton has Santorum (not a Senator) and Brownback as advisers.

EDIT: And I don't really care, in any case, because Clinton is my 3rd or 4th choice already.

[MadHound]

31. Then I would suggest that you read the MoJo article I linked to upthread. n/t

[Forkboy]

32. So if you don't care because Hillary is your third or fourth pick...

why go after Kucinich who I'm sure is even lower than that on your list?

[BlooInBloo]

33. Just to poke fun at Moonbeam McCrazypants lovers.

[Forkboy]

36. About what I thought.

Just trolling.

[Forkboy]

29. John Ashcroft didn't make it a cabinet level position either.

[BlooInBloo]

30. Since Ashcroft didn't have the ability to make cabinet-level appointments, that's not surprising.

[Forkboy]

34. It doesn't have to be a cabinet level for it to be dangerous.

I'm sure you're smart enough to get it.

[BlooInBloo]

35. At no point did I say, suggest, or imply otherwise.

[SlowDownFast]

22. Moonbeam McCrazypants.

:rofl:

You're terrible...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

27. As a person with similar spiritual beliefs as DK. I find your OP offensive. Do you

make fun of other's beliefs too?

[and-justice-for-all]

28. Trying to swing some of the religious voters his direction..

However: "NO PREACHERS FOR PRESIDENT."

[Zandor]

39. Kucinich is Catholic

Would that be a blow to his followers that thinks he's 'just spiritual'?

[and-justice-for-all]

40. Oh, well yes it would..

I guess I miss read the OP...

[Larry Ogg]

37. You don’t have to be religious to treat other people the way you would like to be treated,

or tell the truth, but some would consider these to be spiritual values.

[riverdeep]

41. I don't get it.

What's the outrage or antipathy from? He just said a generic 'spiritual values'. While emphasizing separation of church and state. Lots of people make decisions informed by their faith and still act in accordance with the law. Everyone has some kind of values they incorporate. Some are just more overtly religious. This is coming from someone with an overall skepticism to religion.

If anything, Mike Gravel is your moonbeam:

GRAVEL: "What I believe in is love. And love implements courage. And courage permits us all to apply the virtues that are important in life."