OR 28th Poll Dems v. Repubs Head to Head JE 36/BO 23/HRC 22 ....

[Blackhatjack]

SurveyUSA OR
September 28

Dems head to head with Repubs Giuliani/Romney/Thompson

OR-Pres
Sep 28 SurveyUSAClinton (D) 46%, Giuliani (R) 44%OR-Pres
Sep 28 SurveyUSAClinton (D) 49%, Thompson (R) 42%OR-Pres
Sep 28 SurveyUSAClinton (D) 51%, Romney (R) 38%OR-Pres

Sep 28 SurveyUSAObama (D) 46%, Giuliani (R) 46%OR-Pres
Sep 28 SurveyUSAObama (D) 48%, Thompson (R) 43%OR-Pres
Sep 28 SurveyUSAObama (D) 53%, Romney (R) 35%OR-Pres

Sep 28 SurveyUSAEdwards (D) 47%, Giuliani (R) 44%OR-Pres
Sep 28 SurveyUSAEdwards (D) 51%, Thompson (R) 36%OR-Pres
Sep 28 SurveyUSAEdwards (D) 52%, Romney (R) 34%


*Edwards consistently bests HRC and BO in Margin of Victory in Head to Head Matchups with Repubs

[still_one]

1. Maybe people will see the light, especially after Hillary voted for the Iran resolution

There really should be no doubt in anyones mind that she intends to have the U.S. in Iraq for an indefinite amount of time

[JDPriestly]

3. Hillary will find excuse after excuse to stay in Iraq.

Hillary's nomination will divide the Democratic Party. She is too sold out to corporate interests, and we have become too well organized and too wary of compromising our rights for a Hillary president. Bill Clinton got by with a lot of things that we cannot accept today.

I predict that if Hillary is elected president, she will serve only one term. I realize that many DUers will be offended that I am saying this, but this is an important decision. We need to put all our cards on the table and speak frankly with each other. I believe that what I am saying is true, and I am willing to go out on the limb and make these predictions. Bush's presidency has been so polarizing that Hillary's centrist solution will not work. A centrist in the White House will push the U.S. too far to the right, and each of us and the country as a whole will pay dearly for it. Hillary will fail miserably as president just as Bush has, and the right may decide after her that we can't risk or afford elections any more.

Hillary will not correct NAFTA and other trade agreements in any meaningful way. Therefore, a Hillary presidency will mean that the sell-out of American working people in the world market will continue until it destroys what is left of America's creativity and economy.

Hillary and the right-wingers who are energized and elected by Hillary's presidency will continue to dismantle what shreds are left of the safety net for ordinary people, and poverty, homelessness and hopelessness will become even more widespread than they are today.

Hillary will pay her drug company and health insurance donors back, and health care will continue to be rationed out according to wealth after her presidency.

Hillary will not increase the taxes on the very rich or guarantee the pensions of retirees. This will force young working people to pay for everything. They will delay marriage and children even longer than they do today, and they will bear the burden of caring for their elderly parents even more than they now are. Education will be great for the rich and a joke for the poor.

If Hillary is elected, we will just tumble headlong into economic disaster.

At the beginning of her presidency, Bill Clinton's popularity overseas will improve our stature in the world. But when the developing nations realize that they are better off without our money and that Hillary continues the military aggression of the Bush administration, they will distance themselves from us.

We need a president who lives by the credo, "As you do unto the least of these you do unto me," and who reminds us of that teaching every day. The truth is that America is no better than its weakest link. We need more and better K-12 schools and fewer prisons. We need more jobs that allow people to live decent lives. We need less killing, less war, less trash imported from third world sweatshops. We need real commitment to human rights everywhere in the world. We need more trust and less surveillance.

Most of all, we need more decision-making and action at the community level. And we need a president who reminds us that we, not the D.C. establishment, are our democracy.

It is interesting to note that in our local market, there are volunteers campaigning for Obama, for Richardson and for Edwards but no volunteers for Hillary although she is supposed to be the leading candidate in our area. Instead of relying on ordinary people, Hillary is relying on corporate funding and national, big business, mainstream media support. Her approach weakens grass roots local political action and takes our nation and each one of us in the direction of passivity and subservience. Remember the bad old days before Dean was national chair. That's where Hillary will take us and our party. Hillary's message is, "I know what I'm doing. Let me take care of it. Let me make the decision." That is where we went wrong in the past.

We need to take responsibility for our own lives, for each other and for our communities. We have to decide to take our country back. We cannot allow Hillary to take our country over, and that is what she proposes to do. In that way she is more of a Republican than are the other Democratic candidates. That is the wrong direction. Do we really want to go back to the pre-Dean, pro Clinton party? I don't think so.

To return to Hillary's stance on the Iraq (and Iran) Wars, that is a symptom of what is wrong with Hillary and her don't-rock-the-boat, control-freak, authoritarian, I-know-better-than-you approach to politics. That is the wrong direction for America and the wrong direction for the Democratic Party. Let's not go back there. It led to Bush, and it will lead to even worse in the future.

[still_one]

4. All I can say is that I agree with your analysis /nt

[PATRICK]

2. I can only

respond with personal handicapping devoid of all supporting evidence such as polls. That Hillary is actually at her highwater mark, as far as her campaign is able and willing to go to win over the people. That Guiliani is further along his own and falling as even insane wisdom tells you he must. The polls of others are so close as to show the stage of polling is meaningless regarding 2008.

In 2008, minus weird factors, the Dems and GOP will begin roosting. Several factors will dampen the GOP and create defections. The Dems by very strong efforts could dampen their own. Weak candidates will be a factor. Or a strong Dem candidate, regardless of what polls indicate now, could bull through a huge win, rallying Dems, Independents and GOP defectors, squelching the fraud factor and making them even afraid or too despairing to try the myriad of small stuff. The GOP propped up the miserable Bush and Bush brought in the organized new fraud. In Hillary, I think we would to a dangerous degree be in propping mode with nothing else to rely on except revocable Murdoch passes and big money co-option of the entire party agenda. ALL GOP Bush stooges- which is what they are- must be propped AND depend on the Dems submitting to defenseless propping on their side. By propping I mean the disproportiante reliance of the candidate upon the party(and others) rather than vice versa.

If Obama or Edwards are nominated the GOP will have no silver lining or assurances anywhere. Then, whatever the polls show now, the task of the GOP, no matter how successful they might appear in pre-election polling, will be to stave off landslide disaster and a coming accountability.

[emilyg]

5. Thank you.