Maybe people are starting to see Hilary for what she is, especially on Iraq

[still_one]

http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Obama_leads_pack_among_Iowa_likely_0929.html

I am not saying that Obama is necessarily the best, but Clinton based on her vote of the Iran resolution the other day, and what I believe is her lame excuse that it was only to show Iran that we are serious, shows that she has learned NOTHING from her IWR vote, which pretty much said the same thing about Iraq at the time

Funny, but with the news reporting that bush had an opportunity to let Saddam step down and avoid a war, but instead choose war, demonstrates her lack of understanding by trusting this administration on Iran

The truth is that the president of Iran lost seats in their last elections, and that he is not particularly popular in Iran, but if we would be so STUPID to invade Iran, we would unite their country, in a similar way that the U.S. was united after 9/11

[never_get_over_it]

1. Hmmm

Funny you should point to the Iran vote and a pro Obama article

"I am not saying that Obama is necessarily the best, but Clinton based on her vote of the Iran resolution the other day, and what I believe is her lame excuse...."

What EXACTLY was Obama's lame excuse for NOT HAVING THE BALLS TO EVEN VOTE ON IT?

You know Obama claims he was ALWAYS against the Iraq invasion and I know he gave speeches against it but truth is HE DID NOT VOTE AGAINST IWR because he was not in Congress - and WE have NO WAY of knowing is the same LAME ASS advisers who convinced SO MANY Dems who had NO BUSINESS voting for it TO VOTE FOR IT - wouldn't have convinced Obama too....

Given what I knew about John Kerry's history - his anti-was work in Viet Nam I WOULD HAVE BET MY HOUSE he would have voted NO - but funny thing - he wanted to run for President - so he VOTED YES

One candidate we know for sure voted AGAINST IWR Dennis Kucinich - which is why I supported him in 2004 and why I support him NOW....and I know he can't win right because we keep saying he can't - but you know if the folks who are and have been against this insanity in Iraq voted for him he just might have a chance....oh well....

[still_one]

2. First of all that link was from Raw Story, right now I am leading toward Edwards

NOT Obama, but depending what happens, I may vote for Kucinich in the primaries

One thing I will have a problem with, and that is if Clinton is the nominee, especially after the Iran resolution vote

I have no argument with the points you have brought up, and in fact agree with them. As I said I may vote for DK.

[never_get_over_it]

3. I wasn't trying to be snarky at you

and I guess it came across this way and I apologize - I'm just pretty damn pissed at Obama for not having the balls to vote one way or the other - so to me not voting is ALMOST as bad as voting yes - the other candidates seemed to be able to cast their votes - BIG DISAPPOINTMENT

[still_one]

4. and I wasn't trying to be rude to you in my reply either, just trying to explain myself

You and I are probably more on the same page than not

peace

[Breeze54]

5. E-mail from The Pen--

WE THE PEOPLE CUT THE HEART OUT OF THE LIEBERMAN-KYL AMENDMENT

It has taken a couple days for the actual disposition of the
Lieberman-Kyl amendment to leak out, but in FACT, the two most
offensive paragraphs (3 and 4), which we were objecting to so
strenuously as amounting to a declaration of war on Iran, were
REMOVED IN THEIR ENTIRELY prior to the vote. Which means we WON.

Yes, you did it, with your TENS of thousands of emails and phone
calls to Congress this last Monday and Tuesday. We are so proud of
our participants on this one. Claim your win.

What was left was not great, but ultimately it means nothing with the
actual teeth of the amendment extracted, not that that's any excuse
for those who voted yes (or did not vote at all). So the Senate
called some people a terrorist organization. Big deal, it's not
binding anyway, no more than their groundless and hypocritical
condemnation of MoveOn a week ago. And for those who may say this
gives Cheney and Bush an excuse to do anything, this White House
doesn't think it needs an excuse to do anything, that's the whole
POINT of impeachment.

Once again this PROVES that activism works. We beat them back this
time in a major way, folks, and why? Because we actually spoke out,
that's why! We dismissed the voices of defeatism and took action.
Fancy that, participatory democracy works. Are the evil ones going to
give up? Of course not, and that's why we're not going to give up
either. Let's say it together, we're going to keep ON speaking out in
even greater numbers.

There are many dirty secrets in Washington, but the biggest one of
all they are trying to keep may be that when you write and call in
mass numbers, members of Congress tremble, shaking in their socks,
especially in the House where they have to get reelected every two
years. Oh, sure, sometimes they send us their form letter responses
trying to sluff us off, trying to con us into thinking we are not
having an impact. But we know the truth, which is that they work for
us, and we do have the POWER with our personal messages to enforce
that.

WHAT DO WE DO NEXT? WHY, IMPEACHMENT OF COURSE

This week yet another video of Dick "Five Deferments" Cheney surfaced
from the early nineties, again articulating his views as to why
trying to occupy Iraq would be lead to nothing but a disastrous
quagmire. And yet this is the same man who not only lied the country
into doing just that once he seized power himself, but is still the
most aggressive force in the White House pushing for an even more
monumental debacle in Iran.

H. RES 333 ACTION PAGE: http://www.usalone.com/hres333.php

This is an NEW action page. We're going to have a new action page on
impeachment EVERY week from now on. That's the plan, we're ALL going
to call for impeachment once a week from now on, and each time
encourage everyone else we now to do the same using the friends
invitation section of the action page.

Recognizing the gravity of the increasingly loud drumbeats for more
war coming from the Vice President's office, this week Dennis
Kucinich, who had already gotten 20 cosponsors for H.Res 333 to
impeach Cheney, said he was seriously considering forcing the House
of Representatives to take up the issue of impeachment by bringing it
as a privileged resolution.

We have a major win in our pocket this week. We have slowed them
down. But we also recognize that the only thing that will stop them
completely is confronting the White House, and Cheney in particular,
with impeachment. Each and every member of the House must be called
to account at this moment in American political history, by the
demands of you, their constituents, whether they will stand up for
the Constitution and stop Dick Cheney's delusional march to Iran . .
or not.

Already more than 110,000 of your fellow constituents have voted in
the National Cheney Impeachment Poll. If we had a million people
write in one week, impeachment would be the centerpiece on the table
so fast it would make their heads spin. We're going to do it. We're
going to crank up our efforts to a new level this week. And when
Dennis Kucinich DOES introduce his privileged resolution, we're going
to crank it up even more.

THANK DENNIS KUCINICH PERSONALLY FOR HIS LEADERSHIP

Once again, Dennis Kucinich stands out as the leading voice calling
for restoration of our Constitution. Isn't that enough reason to make
whatever donation you can to him, to encourage him to speak out even
stronger on the issues more and more every day? If you have not done
so already, please do so now if you can.

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Please take action NOW, so we can win all victories that are supposed
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[robcon]

6. I've been seeing her for what she is for a long time.

She's my Senator, and she's one of the best. I think she'll be the next president of the United States.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

7. YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY AFRAID OF STRONG WOMEN AND YOU LISTEN TO RUSH LIMBAUGH

sorry. I was just getting the typical hillbot defense of all criticism out of the way first.
I pretty much agree with everything you said, but i fear we're stuck with her and the carville crew in '08 to screw up the party and ruin Dean and the grasroots' victories in '06