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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:42 PM
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PETA Billboard Targets Gore



In Campaign Debut, Group's Mobile Billboard Will Dog Ex-Veep in Austin Over His Addiction to Meat—the Leading Cause of Global Warming

For Immediate Release:
September 28, 2007


Contact:
Matt Prescott 757-622-7382


Austin, Texas -- Showing a cartoon of a flabby Al Gore munching on a drumstick next to the tagline "Too Chicken to Go Vegetarian? Meat Is the #1 Cause of Global Warming," PETA's new truck-mounted billboard will circle the Frank Erwin Center at the University of Texas throughout the day on Monday, October 1, including while Al Gore is giving a speech inside. Why Gore? Although Gore has done great work to raise awareness about global warming, he has largely ignored the facts that the meat industry is the leading source of greenhouse-gas emissions and that going vegetarian is the most effective way to reduce one's impact on the environment. PETA will display the billboard -- from fixed sites as well as advertising trucks -- wherever Gore makes a public appearance over the next several months.


Consider what scientists are saying:


· In its recent report Livestock's Long Shadow: Environmental Issues and Options, the United Nations determined that raising animals for food generates more greenhouse gases than all the cars, trucks, SUVs, planes, and ships in the world combined. The report goes on to say that meat is "one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global."

· Researchers at the University of Chicago have determined that switching to a vegan diet is 50 percent more effective in countering global warming than switching from a standard American car to a Toyota Prius.


"You can't express concern for global warming if there's a drumstick in your mouth," says PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk. "Mr. Gore is ignoring a scientifically established fact: There's no such thing as a meat-eating environmentalist because meat-eating is the main culprit."


For more information, please visit PETA.org.

http://www.peta.org/mc/NewsItem.asp?id=10297
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:43 PM
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1. Fuck PETA.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:03 PM
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18. .
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:49 PM
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33. My sentiments exactly.
They go way over the line in almost everything they do.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:08 PM
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36. Ditto. nt
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:22 PM
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39. Nah!!! PETA is right on this one. I love Al and belong to a pro Al group
encouraging him to run but he needs to examine his omnivore habits. Healthwise, it will be better for him in the long run.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:11 AM
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84. um...could we please wait until he gets his ass in the white house
before we start ripping on him and giving the republiks more fodder?
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:54 AM
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88. "gets his ass in the White House"
How nice.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:38 PM
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109. Gore could at least
acknowledge it more and give it some food for thought.

Before I became a vegetarian..I thought, "No Way No How" but things change..you never know. I'm sure Gore can take being called out on this.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:10 PM
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45. One more Fuck PETA right here.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:12 PM
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47. Amen!!!
The inevtiable PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals post.

Seriously, fuck them.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:32 PM
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50. That was brilliant, as usual, BIB.
Way to make a statement!
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:02 AM
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93. I love finding common ground
:P
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:44 PM
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2. Bullshit.
CO2 and water vapor make up the primary components of the Greenhouse effect, methane (i.e. cow gas) comprises far less, although it does contribute. I mean, what are we going to do, kill all the cows for PETA?

Fuck off PETAphiles.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:45 PM
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3. You know, thats actually kind of clever...
we're talking about cows and bulls, and I said bullshit. HAHAHAHA! :rofl:
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:48 PM
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5. methane isnt the problem
raising animals for meat uses a lot more resources than growing vegetables for food.

not defending attacking Gore, but it is true.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:50 PM
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9. True, but that's not what they said.
They specifically distorted science to prove a point, all they're doing is stirring up controversy by attacking Al Gore.
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:52 AM
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87. they did not.
they should not be picking on Gore, but the science is pretty solid.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:55 PM
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113. Thanks!
How precious of you to suggest that.

*smooch*
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:30 PM
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78. It makes more CO2 for meat production...
From planting the grass/crops and having the have a large area for cows to graze = less trees...

to the storage involved with meat storage and transportation...

to the amount of energy that is transferred from the plants to the cows to the humans...190% is wasted...

its very wasteful to eat meat...
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:47 PM
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4. Shouldn't Peta Be Targeting Cheney For Hunting
animals trapped on his friends ranches? Or * for taking endangered animals off the list and allowing them to be hunted? You have to wonder about their priorities.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:49 PM
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6. Of course they should be.
They're trying to stir up controversy by attacking Gore, when in reality they're full of crap when they say methane is the most important contributor to the greenhouse effect. CO2 is the greatest contributor to the effect released in the greatest amounts.
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:43 PM
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65. Where did they say that methane contributes more than CO2?
PETA cites the UN report released earlier this year which says that raising meat produces more greenhouse gases than any other human activity. It takes a vast number of calories to fatten up a cow for slaughter, and our industrial food system gets those calories from fossil fuels.

I'm not exactly on PETA's side, either. When they're right, they're right, and when they're full of shit then I say fuck 'em, too. But in this case they're right and Gore is a hypocrite. I'm not enamored of any of these people; on another day the shoe could easily be on the other foot.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:51 PM
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13. One wonders indeed.
And 'targeting' someone like Al Gore isn't exactly going to win friends and influence people - people who are prospective PETA donors.

This is a dumb move on so many levels ...

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:05 PM
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Cheney Never met "Red Meat" he didn't like...whether to shoot it or order it..it's all the same.
:-(
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:10 PM
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37. both PETA and HSUS targeted cheney for hunting, repeatedly.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:56 AM
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89. Cheney hunts animals, too?
I heard he bagged a good friend...

:evilgrin:
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:03 AM
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95. I think PETA likes making "statements" by going after
unexpected targets, or perhaps are just malcontents who aren't satisfied by anyone's efforts.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:08 PM
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105. They're afraid of Cheney because he's actually in power,
and he might shoot them in the face if he can't shoot little birds.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:49 PM
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7. Basically, I like Gore
and am hard pressed to understand why PETA is targeting him. He's high profile, I suppose, but aren't there some republicans far more deserving of a hit?
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:51 PM
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11. Like I just said, they're doing it to get attention.
They thrive off of controversy, and I know that this isn't true first hand. They are totally full of crap.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:49 PM
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8. I can't really fault PETA for this
PETA gets their message out the most effective way they can; and here, they're tying it to the #1 spokesman for global warming. I think it's kind of brilliant.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:52 PM
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14. But isn't it clumsy?
They're supposed to advocate animal rights. There are plenty of angles that could be taken at all kinds of people. Why target a progressive?
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:58 PM
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16. He's the highest profile
They're trying to force his hand at becoming an ally too, as I see it...Because they do have a point.

And I hardly see meat eating having any affect on Gore where public perception is concerned.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:09 PM
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24. pretty stupid way to try to win an ally
though I doubt that's what they were trying to do.
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:50 PM
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68. He's a hypocrite
He does great work advocating change, but he isn't willing to make the necessary sacrifices in his own life. People like Dick Cheney are all-around assholes: their positions are consistent. And no one expects them to be affected by negative attention.

They are making the perfect the enemy of the good, though (which is not to say that PETA is anywhere close to perfect; they're just better than Gore on this particular issue). They have their agenda, and they feel that this is what best serves that agenda.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:08 AM
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85. Send the man some sackcloth and ashes while you're at it. For gods' sake.
For. Gods'. Sake.

What. The. Hell.

PETA can now just go do something anatomically impossible to themselves.

Hekate

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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:13 PM
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101. we're ALL hypocrites
it just depends on which lens you use
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:11 PM
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25. Your point?
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:51 PM
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10. Way to shoot yourselves in the head.
Great idea, attacking the one guy who has done more to raise public consciousness about the environment than anyone in recent memory. Even better to provide neatly packaged fodder for the warming-deniers to scream "hypocrite" yet again. I guess all the Republican, corporate and fundie meat eaters weren't soft enough targets, so PETA thought they'd try to bring down someone who's fighting for many of the same things they are, while feeding the opposition a nice little coup. Clowns.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:07 PM
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22. Idiot liberals.
Congressman Obey was right. They do exist.

This is another prime example.

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:45 PM
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29. Ingrid Newkirk is a batshit crazy dogmatic attention junkie, not a liberal
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:10 PM
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46. Perfect summation
:thumbsup:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:46 PM
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58. Claps.
Spoken like someone that doesn't know her.

She'd love it, though.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:32 AM
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86. I'm sure that she would...I mentioned her name, didn't I?
Thanks for the confirmation
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:57 AM
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90. Yes, indeed. nt
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:47 PM
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66. yeah, I found the attack on gore tasteless
no pun intended

Though, it is true that reducing ones animal product consumption will reduce the amount of greenhouse gas emissions. Animal husbandry for the production of food is relatively energy intensive compared to obtaining the same nutrients from plants. PETA's stance is too guilt-laden and is counter-productive. Alot of people would just say "fuck the planet, I'm not eating tofu" or whatever.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:03 PM
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73. Exactly. It also smacks of "if you're not perfect, you're scum" sanctimony.
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 11:06 PM by Kutjara
How about if we all eat the elephant (no pun intended here, either) that is the Earth's environmental problems one piece at a time? Sure, Al Gore isn't perfect, but then I don't remember him ever claiming to be. He is, however, committed to doing something positive about climate change, and that certainly entitles him to a little slack. It would be much more helpful if the people and organizations who share a mission to save the planet actually worked together and supported each other, rather than engaging in battles over who's vision is more pure.

I would also be very surprised if any member of PETA is perfect either, for that matter. Do they all walk around sweeping the pavement in front of themselves, lest they kill an insect inadvertently? No? Then they're hypocrites who will burn in the lowest circles of Hell!!!!
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:35 PM
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80. PETA's just plain nauseating
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 11:36 PM by PDenton
Their absolutism, self righteousness, and general incivility seems to dwarf any claims to compassion. When I think of compassion I think of people like the Dalai Lama or Gandhi, people who were inspired to find peace with their enemies and a better world for other people. OTOH, PETA goes around smearing anybody they don't like for the most minor of "sins", or sometimes, for no good reason at all (in this case, Al Gore).

I'm a vegetarian but I'm not allied with them at all. I don't even consider myself a supporter of animal rights in the academic and popular meaning of the term. Plus, statements PETA have made, like they wouldn't sacrifice one animal if it could cure cancer... are just ridiculous, even inhuman and betrays a rather twisted, cold heart.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:56 PM
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72. That's how I feel.That's how I feel,too.Kutjara it is a slap
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 10:58 PM by The Wielding Truth
to a guy who is trying to help.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:51 PM
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12. I get PETA, this is brilliant !
CAFO/Factory Farming is a horrible environmental destroyer ... Al never has addressed this in his very honorable campaign against global warming.

Ed Begley has :)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:59 AM
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91. Al gore has so much time on his hands compared to Ed Begley (whom I adore, btw, but please) nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:40 PM
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110. I get it too..
Gore can handle some real criticism..Peta wants what he wants.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:52 PM
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15. I heard Ingrid Newkirk on Maher's show
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 06:56 PM by Kajsa
a few weeks ago.

I am no proponent of factory farming
but--

She was stating the same, except she went on to explain how
" all that methane, especially from cow flatulence" was a major
contributor to global warming.

I kid you not!

So there you have it, folks.

Cow farts- that's what it all comes down to!

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:10 PM
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74. One word solution to this problem.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:13 AM
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98. " --and there will be no gas!"
:rofl:

:hi:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:02 PM
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17. Why Didn't PETA target the Bushies for thier Steaks and Taco's? Huh?
seems rather odd but maybe this was just a "Flame Bate" post and NOT TRUTH OF IT!
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:05 PM
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19. hur hur hur!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:05 PM
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20. PETA dripping n/t
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:49 PM
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104. Related To
Bird droppings?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:12 PM
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106. When I was overseas, they gave tetracycline to the Marines
with that very problem.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:33 PM
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107. Yep.
They gave something similar to Scooter, to keep him from revealing Dick Cheney's load.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:47 PM
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111. ....
:rofl:
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:06 PM
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21. To me, PETA misses the point.
And my hubby is a chemical engineer, and has explained the whole thing to me (to my satisfaction, anyway).:)

Al Gore informed me and GOT ME MOTIVATED to make the changes in my life THAT I PRACTICALLY COULD. I've cut my energy usage down to a fraction of what I used to use. We now run our offices out of the house, I use 33% of the paper products that I used to, I drive a Prius, my kid is homeschooled, everything is within 5 to 10 minutes by car (driving a Prius, whose emissions are low), we walk when we can, and we've replaced the ordinary lightbulbs with the environmentally-friendly kind.

The point is being as earth-friendly as I can be, not being perfect. Am I going to go Vegan tomorrow, or is the rest of the world? Extremely unlikely.

BUT, I now buy locally-grown produce, and I go VEGETARIAN every other day. I now fill my drinks, when I go out, in my steel canteen, rather than generating 15 paper-cup bits of trash per week.

I need people to take whatever steps they can reasonably take, not try to take extreme steps that won't last.

I think that the PETA folks' timing is off. Al Gore did SO much to wake my neighbors up and to wake ME up. We need to stay focused upon what he talked about in the film. Reducing the car and truck emissions is not only doable, people are doing it now. I doubt that the world is going to vegan tomorrow. Hopefully, though, we will focus on buy from meat producers who engage in responsible practices, and buy locally grown produce as much as possible. We don't need the theatrics from PETA, in my humble opinion.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:12 PM
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26. well stated
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:19 PM
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75. Thanks.
It was from the heart.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:45 PM
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30. if Al Gore listened to PETA, he would probably live longer, feel better, and
look a whole lot better. Could end up that PETA extends his life. BTW, go look at the films on factory farming on PETA or HSUS site and see what corporations are doing to sentient animals. Whether or not animals really add to global warming is less the point than why anyone as kind and caring as Al Gore could be eating animals treated this way.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:55 PM
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34. you're making assumptions
Not all meat-producing companies follow the cruel practises of the factory farming depicted on the PETA and HSUS websites.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:08 PM
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35. but you never know, do you, what came from where....and what was injected
whom and whether it is diseased, tortured, or butchered alive. Anyway, medical science knows for sure it isn't good for you.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:11 PM
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38. I've known a couple of very overweight vegies in my life...
diet alone doesn't determine health, and that's assuming that the diet is good. Vegetarians can and do eat fatty foods too, you know.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:23 PM
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40. I am a chubby veggie, partly due to my older age and being less active than
I used to be but my cholesterol is 160 and that is without drugs. My husband's dropped over 100 points when he stopped red meat.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:27 PM
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48. Ironically, my cholesterol is much better than yours, and my diet's far worse.
Cholesterol is SO heavily genetically-based, though, according to my understanding.

Mine's something like 300 good, 50 bad (I forget the names off hand) -- and that's after a life that would make "Supersize Me" look tame. The doctor said it was like I had the cholesterol of a 15 year old athlete with the lifestyle of Hunter S. Thompson. Blessed with good genes.

We as a society (and especially me), however, could eat a lot less meat than we do now and be a lot healthier. meat production takes up a lot of valuable farm land that could be used more economically to farm food for people. What's the ratio? 1 to 10? Like, for every ten acres of food to feed one person, it takes 10 times that to feed one cow? And what goes on in those pig farms is just shameful.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:23 PM
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64. you are right...both our fathers died young of heart attacks...we don't have
much wiggle room.
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:52 PM
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70. I'm an overweight vegetarian
Mostly becaues I'm lazy and live in the 'burbs (which are evil, BTW). It's amazing what getting beyond your twenties can do to your metabolism, too. I'm on a diet, mostly eating soy burgers, eggs, brocolli, and cuting down on bread and that sort of thing (South Beach Diet). I lose maybe a few pounds a month. But you know junk food is really tempting when you are lazy and don't want to mess with cooking. So I fall off the wagon once in a while.

Though, I must say I have a better BMI than many of my relatives, and my blood pressure is normal. At my age, my dad had high blood pressure out the wazoo.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #30
54. Look, using logic in a PETA thread is in violation of the rules.
Series.
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:49 PM
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60. LOOK better?
are you kidding me? Look at Ingrid Newkirk - she looked like a CORPSE on Bill Maher a few weeks ago. I've never met a vegan that looked even remotely healthy.
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:46 PM
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31. Why are we giving these trolls attention?
This is EXACTLY what they want. PETA is the cultral equivalent of an Internet troll - ignore them, and they'll go away.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:35 PM
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:54 PM
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62. Do they make vegan hotpockets?
:rofl:
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:01 AM
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92. yes n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:47 PM
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32. I like their strategy, hate their tactics
In a way, they're doing what many of us do: appealling to the people who actually give a shit. If PETA had approached Gore and lobbied him about the realities of meat production, I bet he would have listened.

But of course, they have to do it in a way that makes it very hard for Gore to work with them. No one wants to look like they're caving in to bullying, and crap like this can only make it less likely that Gore will listen to them.

I will say this, if Gore comes out for reducing meat consumption, he's a better man than I (well, even more better (sic) than he was before). At the end of the day, PETA's right on this issue. They just need to stop being such assholes and maybe people will pay attention.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:30 PM
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41. KILL THE MESSENGER.........fuck Peta ...Assholes SOBs
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:33 PM
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42. Are morons running PETA?
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 08:34 PM by MJDuncan1982
Democrats are much, much better for them than the Republicans. Yet they choose to nitpick one of the most environmentally conscious Democrats?

Jeez...
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:36 PM
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43. Of all the thousands of people PETA could direct that to.....
they picked Gore. Way to keep that circular firing squad going, PETA!

Demanding that high profile, effect fighters for change (like Gore) be perfect is just plain childish. Yes, PETA has a point, but was smearing Gore the only way to make that point?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:38 PM
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44.  bullshit
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:30 PM
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49. Which logical fallacy is that?
"You can't express concern for global warming if there's a drumstick in your mouth"

It's not ad hominem, is it? Isn't there a more specific one?
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:51 PM
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61. Ad Hominem Tu Quoque
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:50 PM
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67. Thanks. I knew it was one of them.
To further a point, rather graphically: I could smash a puppy's head open with a hammer, all the while screaming, "It is wrong to kill puppies!" It wouldn't invalidate my argument.

Thanks for the "Ad Hominem Tu Quoque" call.
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:55 PM
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71. it's no different than the folks
who criticize Gore because he's not driving a Prius all the time or he lives in a large house and flies everywhere. Nevermind he flies everywhere to spread an important message.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:26 PM
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77. Is he eating drumsticks to spread an important message? (nt)
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:36 PM
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53. Truck-mounted billboard?
Driving around and around and around one of the most congested areas in Austin? Fuck PETA! Fuck their fucking hypocrisy!
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:38 PM
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55. PETA - the one issue group
Who misses the point on so many more issues.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:43 PM
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56. Yeah, let's waste fossil fuels to make our point.
Thanks, PETA (and anyone else who uses these truck billboards). All Austin needs is ANOTHER vehicle clogging our streets.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:43 PM
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57. I LOVE PETA threads.
Love 'em. Buy right into what PETA wants. Nice job, I thank you.

No, no, no...keep it kicked. Talk about how PETA "supports" terrorism, or hates pets, or wishes kids to die because they don't care for vivisection.

Oh, wait...PETA EUTHANIZED SOME ANIMALS!!!!! WAHHHHAAHHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! They want to kill your dog!!!! They hate people but care about animals!!!!! Oh...my...gawd. Call the IRS...tell 'em PETA supports terrorism...they hate us for our meat-eating freedoms!!!!

Wait, no, Ingrid Newkird once pushed the needle on companion animals as part of her job, doing what she could to help the animals she was in charge of.

Oh, the outrage!!!!!!

Hey, consumerfreedom would LOVE to have you in their e-list. Consider joining.

Marks.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #57
103. Hi flvegan !
As always, you bring sanity to the PETA threads :hi:
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:55 PM
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63. Taking a figure, like Gore, to task for only going thus far...
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 09:56 PM by and-justice-for-all
is fine with me.

If you talk the talk, you should walk the walk and if going total Veg is part of the solution (As I have done) then he should go all the way.

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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:51 PM
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69. I will never take PETA seriously after this idiocy ...
consigning them to the loony-bin. Wonder how many people they'll win over with that BS??? >>> N O N E
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:22 PM
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76. I always get a chuckle when I think of PETA
My visualization of Heather Mills beating J-Lo's fur clad body with her prosthetic leg is way too funny (yeah I know this isn't EXACTLY how this happened--but all of the players were in place for it to have happened this way...and as PETA shows, there really doesn't have to be a cohesive thought process to churn this shit out.)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #76
99. Shame on you...
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:30 PM
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79. PETA sucks. nt.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:37 PM
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81. Send PETA an email
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 11:37 PM by utopiansecretagent
and let 'em know what you think:

Contact PETA’s PSA Department
If you need help ordering or placing public service announcements or advertisements, please contact:

PSA Coordinator
PETA
501 Front St.
Norfolk, VA 23510
PETAPSA@peta.org
757-622-7382

http://www.peta.org/mc/PSADept.asp

Contact PETA's Media Department

Telephone : 757-622-7382, extension 8284

E-mail : If you are from the media, please e-mail us at MediaInfo@peta.org

Please include the following in your e-mail message:
* Your first and last name
* Name of outlet (including call letters and station frequency, if applicable)
* Location (city, state)
* Telephone and fax number
* Topic
* Deadline

http://www.peta.org/mc/contactMedia.asp
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:29 AM
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100. The more we ignore Ingrid--er, I mean --well, I was right the first time,
the sooner she'll melt down the memory hole.

That's just what she wants, so no thanks.
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:01 AM
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83. Those advertising trucks probably aren't so good for the environment, either.
If they really wanted to make a point, they should be following him on bicycles.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:12 AM
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97. Yes, and are they DRIVING to his event?
HYPOCRITES.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:02 AM
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94. TRUCK-MOUNTED BILLBOARD? Oh, the hypocrisy... nt
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:07 AM
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96. Well, Bill Maher is supposedly on their board and he occassionally eats meat
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 10:10 AM by RestoreGore
That according to Wikipedia. And if true they are then HYPOCRITES. And also, where is their proof that Al Gore eats meat? Do they have pictures of him masticating a steak? He also mentioned the impact of it in his book An Inconvenient Truth in reference to slashing and burning in South America to raise it. Perhaps had they read it they would have seen it. I think on the whole it is OK to mention it as a part of working to mitigate GHG emissions, but to choose just one person, especially the one who has done more to awaken this world to the catastrophe we face to target is just shooting yourself in the damn foot. Even if we all stopped eating meat today it wouldn't stop the effects that have already been put into motion by BILLIONS of us spewing fossil fuels into the air since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. I'm sorry, but even though on many things regarding animals I agree with them, to target just one person is just so phony.
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:25 PM
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102. Hey PETA....
eat MY meat.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:35 PM
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108. Oh, what will the PETA stormtroopers do, now that they've criticized a leftist idol?
This should be a good thread... :popcorn:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:52 PM
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112. They make themselves more and more irrelevant
With each passing outrageous act. Why do they do it? What are they hoping to achieve?

Turn Al Gore into a vegan? And what will that do?
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:06 PM
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114. PETA really is useless
They aren't accomplishing anything by targeting Al Gore of all people, who has done quite a bit to raise awareness of global warming. It's obvious the issue means little to them and their narrow agenda. Their organization seems to thrive on publicity with their clownish and immature antics.

The simple fact is that a majority of people in the world eat meat and have been for thousands of years. And a vast majority of those that don't eat meat, drink milk and eat dairy. I don't really care what others eating habits are and I find PETA types incredibly sanctimonious for pushing their lifestyle on others.

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