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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:38 PM
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Where does it mention Jesus Christ or Christianity...
in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence or even the Federalist Papers?
I wish John(I'm the Religious Right's new butt boy)McCain could tell me how we are a "Christian Nation.

signed
Jewish by birth, Atheist by choice.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:47 PM
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1. Button Gwinnett is really his alias.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:48 PM
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2. It's nowhere in our founding papers.
The word God isn't even in them. Creator appears in the DoI, not in the Constitution. And the word religion isn't capitalized.
Grandpa McCain is full of shit.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:51 PM
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3. He's angling for a big job with blackwater.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:51 PM
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4. I guess McCain doesn't think Thomas Jefferson was qualified to be President.
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 04:59 PM by pnwmom
He wasn't a believing Christian, though he was a deist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_jefferson#Religious_views

Jefferson used deist terminology in repeatedly stating his belief in a creator, and in the United States Declaration of Independence used the terms "Creator" and "Nature's God". Jefferson believed, furthermore, it was this Creator that endowed humanity with a number of inalienable rights, such as "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". His experience in France just before the French Revolution made him deeply suspicious of Catholic priests and bishops as a force for reaction and ignorance. Similarly, his experience in America with inter-denominational intolerance served to reinforce this skeptical view of religion. In a letter to Willam Short, Jefferson wrote: "the serious enemies are the priests of the different religious sects, to whose spells on the human mind its improvement is ominous."<34>
Jefferson was raised in the Church of England, at a time when it was the established church in Virginia and only denomination funded by Virginia tax money. Before the Revolution, Jefferson was a vestryman in his local church, a lay position that was part of political office at the time. He also had friends who were clergy, and he supported some churches financially. During his Presidency, Jefferson attended the weekly church services held in the House of Representatives. Jefferson later expressed general agreement with his friend Joseph Priestley's Unitarianism, that is the rejection of the doctrine of Trinity. In a letter to a pioneer in Ohio he wrote, "I rejoice that in this blessed country of free inquiry and belief, which has surrendered its conscience to neither kings or priests, the genuine doctrine of only one God is reviving, and I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die a Unitarian."<35>
Jefferson did not believe in the divinity of Jesus, but he had high esteem for Jesus' moral teachings, which he viewed as the "principles of a pure deism, and juster notions of the attributes of God, to reform moral doctrines to the standard of reason, justice & philanthropy, and to inculcate the belief of a future state."<36> Jefferson did not believe in miracles. He made his own condensed version of the Gospels, omitting Jesus' virgin birth, miracles, divinity, and resurrection, primarily leaving only Jesus' moral philosophy, of which he approved. This compilation was published after his death and became known as the Jefferson Bible.
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:52 PM
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5. But
will we hear any one in the MSM or Democratic Party call him on this shit?
I don't know when I heard any one out side of the hard left challenge this crap.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:53 PM
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6. Most framers were Deists, a far cry from Xtians...a couple were strongly suspected of atheist holdin
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:57 PM
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7. If there were a vote tomorrow
in the Congress to affirm or reaffirm (depends on who's talking) that this is a "Christian Nation". How many Dems would join all the Repubs to vote in favor. I'd say the majority of the cowardly lot of them.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:58 PM
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8. He's appealing to the idiot base now.
Those are the only people likely to vote for him at this point.
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Donkeykick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:58 PM
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9. Some folks that believe that our...
forefathers meant religion and state to come together should read Jefferson's letters. I mean this guy wrote his own Bible!:dilemma:
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:05 PM
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10. Nowhere
I wish John(I'm the Religious Right's new butt boy)McCain could tell me how we are a "Christian Nation.

He can't, except in his idiot suck-up-to-the-RRR delusional fantasies.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:06 PM
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11. Those fundies are full of sh*t.
:puke:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:06 PM
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12. Nowhere. n/t
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:27 PM
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13. Oh, but everybody "knows" what they really meant!
That's the problem with fervent believers. Suspend dealing with inconvenient facts in one area, it's easier to suspend them in all areas.
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