Hey Dems who just voted for the Iran war resolution, "U.S. Embassy rips Iraq partition plan"

[still_one]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071001/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

I think this partition plan was biden's brain child, but either way it represents how arrogant and STUPID we are, assuming we know what is best for Iraq.

and even though the U.S. Embassy may agree with the Iraqis on this, I am sure the Iraqi people do NOT appreciate our desire for permanent bases in their country

What a bunch of idiots

[Kagemusha]

1. The Kurds appreciate it, that's about it.

But hey, they don't really consider themselves part of the Iraqi people except for tactical advantage, anyway, which explains their stance. Not that I blame them for feeling that way... it's just to say what a political disaster Biden's plan is with everyone else.

[still_one]

3. and I am sure Turkey DOESN'T appreciate it . Gosh we have done such a good job

in that area, NOT

[ProSense]

2. Why would the U.S. embassy agree with the Senate?

They're pushing the Bush plan and so is Maliki.

[still_one]

5. I do not think they are agreeing with the Senate, they don't believe it should be partitioned

which is what the Senate proposed

[ProSense]

7. The Senate didn't propose partitioning, read the amendment text at the link. n/t

[still_one]

8. A quote right out of the link I put is the following:

The Senate resolution, adopted last week, proposed reshaping Iraq according to three sectarian or ethnic territories. It calls for a limited central government with the bulk of power going to the country's Shiite, Sunni or Kurdish regions, envisioning a power-sharing agreement similar to the one that ended the 1990s war in Bosnia. Delaware Sen. Joseph Biden, a Democrat presidential candidate, was a prime sponsor.

[ProSense]

10. That's from the AP article. Where is that in the text of the amendment?

On edit: This is how the media does, they misrepresent everything in favor of the White House's position. Anyone who isn't interested in a political solution or the U.S. support for a political solution, will distort this amendment.

[still_one]

12. That is why I am asking you. Whatever solution is chosen will be down by the Iraqi people

not a foreign power, that was my basic point

but I understand your point about the misrepresentation from the media which happens all the time

[spag68]

4. Biden plan

Almost two years ago in I think march of 06, at the New School in NYC. I thought then and still do, get out, let them fight it out, then help with aid, but in any case get out.

[still_one]

6. Couldn't agree with you more. Haven't we screwed things up enough already? /nt

[spag68]

9. Biden

is really good in small forums like that and very personable to meet, and to be honest , at least he has a plan. Just not what I think is the best plan.

[fedupinBushcountry]

11. It is in their (Iraq)constitution

it is up to them to decide. Did you even read the amendment ? Also what the heck does this have to do with the Iran resolution ? Biden didn't vote for that non-binding garbage. I am not a Biden supporter but when you jump on Dems without knowing the facts, you should be shown the facts. Read it http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r110:1:./temp/~r110lALM36:e418132:">here

[still_one]

13. What I am jumping on is that we have no business in Iraq period

and what the heck does it have to do with th Iran resolution, because we appear to be beating the drums to make the same mistakes in Iran

[Kelly Rupert]

14. What the heck does the Iran resolution have to do with partitioning Iraq?

Anyway, the problem is that nobody knows what's best for Iraq, least of all the Iraqis. Iraq is so fractured that there really aren't any "Iraqis" to speak of. Each party wants all of Iraq to themselves, with the exception of the Kurds, who want northern Iraq and southeastern Turkey to themselves.

[still_one]

15. Because we are NOT learning from our mistakes. That is quite magnanimous of you

to say there really aren't any "iraqis" to speak of. I have no doubt that the Iraqi people would STRONGLY disagree with your assessment, especially the Sh ia who make up 2/3 of the population

[Kelly Rupert]

16. Yes, and that's something of the problem, isn't it?

To talk about what "The Iraqis" want is an absolute joke. There is nothing that any group of Iraqis wants that is not completely opposed by another bloc. That's why the Iraqi government has made absolutely no political progress in the last year.

The Iraqi blocs seem as interested in ensuring that no competing bloc gets any concessions than they are in ensuring that their own interests are satisfied. There is absolutely no sense of national unity, and there exists no influential party that is clearly working for Iraq (and not some other group at the expense of Iraq; national unity parties are generally considered to be tools of the Americans).

[still_one]

17. We definitely agree it is a problem, but only the Iraqis can solve it /nt

[Kelly Rupert]

18. Doubt they will anytime soon.

Pity we removed Saddam.

[still_one]

19. Removing Saddam destabilzed the whole region. We agree on that also /nt