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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:49 AM
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To all those suffering from "Outrage Overload regarding the Rich":
Hi, my name is Tyler, and I'm a Recovering Rich Hater.

CHORUS: "HI, TYLER"

All of the rich do not suck the rat's ass. Granted, it is much easier to do so if you're wealthy: it tends to warp your view of reality. Marie Antoinette was delusional regarding the poor; she just felt, hey, if you've run out of bread, eat your cake until you can get to the bakery. It's easy to feel that way if you've never had a hungry day in your life. But they aren't all heartless bastards who don't tip the waiter.

The original;Andrew Carnegie:http://www.carnegie.org/sub/about/biography.html
snip:
"The son of a weaver, he came with his family to the United States in 1848 and settled in Allegheny, Pennsylvania. At age thirteen, Carnegie went to work as a bobbin boy in a cotton mill. He then moved rapidly through a succession of jobs with Western Union and the Pennsylvania Railroad. In 1865, he resigned to establish his own business enterprises and eventually organized the Carnegie Steel Company, which launched the steel industry in Pittsburgh. At age sixty-five, he sold the company to J. P. Morgan for $480 million and devoted the rest of his life to his philanthropic activities and writing, including his autobiography.

"Many persons of wealth have contributed to charity, but Carnegie was perhaps the first to state publicly that the rich have a moral obligation to give away their fortunes. In 1889 he wrote The Gospel of Wealth, in which he asserted that all personal wealth beyond that required to supply the needs of one's family should be regarded as a trust fund to be administered for the benefit of the community.

"Carnegie set about disposing of his fortune through innumerable personal gifts and through the establishment of various trusts. In his thirties, Carnegie had already begun to give away some of his fast-accumulating funds. His first large gifts were made to his native town. Later he created seven philanthropic and educational organizations in the United States, including Carnegie Corporation of New York, and several more in Europe."
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Chuck Feeney: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20871397/
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"Feeney kept his generosity secret for years, saying he did not want to "blow my own horn" or discourage others from giving to the same deserving causes.

"Only in 1997 when his founding share in DFS was sold was his generosity revealed to the world. He came to the conclusion that his story should be told to promote giving while living.

"The Atlantic Philanthropies, co-founded by Feeney, has given away $4 billion in a quarter of a century, including over $2 billion in the United States, more than $1 billion in Ireland, as well as large sums in Vietnam, Australia, South Africa, Thailand and Cuba, according to O'Clery's book.

"Now in his mid 70s, Feeney is determined his foundation should spend its remaining fortune in his lifetime and is fond of a Gaelic proverb to explain the sense of urgency. 'There are no pockets in a shroud.'"


Even FORBES magazine, bastion of that greedy little prick Steve Forbes, published an article regarding some of the rare Generous rich. http://www.forbes.com/2006/11/29/billionaire-charitable-donations-pf-phil_cz_dp_1129billionairephilanthrophy.html But even that level of generosity is not REQUIRED.

What pisses off most on the Left that I talk to and hang around with is not that someone might be rich but that they seem to worship the old American saw "You can't be too rich," indicating that they do not accept that wealth without purpose is meaningless piling up of chips: don't mean a thing unless you get in the game and BET. Call this just plain ol' garden variety GREED.

There is another thing that is almost insufferable about most of the well to do: the "I made it, it's MINE!" philosophy. This is personified in people like Clarence Thomas who will be more than happy to tell you how he made it without any help from anyone as if that is even POSSIBLE. But that doesn't create the schism: it's the ATTITUDE that as it's "MINE," I get to keep every last penny, and you lazy bastards can just get your OWN. The corollary to this is, I've already PAID my way, so fuck off if you want to TAX me to help anyone else. These people are similar to the Health care Social Darwinists who don't support S-CHIP and are happy to see Bush veto it.

The point is, if you're doing OK and someone gives you shit about it, and if you do your bit and pay your fair share, relax. HOWEVER, if you get a twinge, then maybe you ought to re-assess how you go about your business and your charity.

Anyway, I've made a lot of progress toward recovering from my RICH HATE. I try to examine my own issues first. Thanks.

CHORUS: YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT PLACE, TYLER! KEEP COMIN' BACK!!!






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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:55 AM
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1. I haven't recovered yet. n/t
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:11 AM
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8. I haven't either. n/t
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:56 AM
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2. I guess we can tackle those who hate the healthy next
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:57 AM
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3. Some people just can't get enough...
“At a party given by a billionaire on Shelter Island, the late Kurt Vonnegut informs his pal, the author Joseph Heller, that their host, a hedge fund manager, had made more money in a single day than Heller had earned from his wildly popular novel, Catch-22, over its whole history. Heller responds, ‘Yes, but I have something he will never have: Enough.’ ”

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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:05 AM
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4. Sad thing about that is the people that guy will take from...
Usually the bottom rung. Despicable, needing government management to prevent the syndrome.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:07 AM
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5. Some of the rich are moral, and some people are albinos; neither is the norm. nt
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:10 AM
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6. Absolutely no argument there.
I think what prompted this was hearing a DUer who could be described as "affluent" discuss an incident with someone who decried their shall we call it "Bourgeois Comfort."
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:33 AM
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15. I'm comfortable and shun affluence
My wealthy relatives ain't worth knowin'. So what? I have the best friends in the world and none of 'em love me for $$$.

I can't despise what I was supposed to be or resent the price I paid for independence. It was the right decision for me.

DU? It's the best spot for anyone seeking progress, whatever your background. I've participated in the virtual universe for a long time with my own identity; this is the best possible environment and the volunteer mods deserve credit. So please, enjoy your stay and may it reward you.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:11 AM
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7. My issue is when wealthy use their $ & power to prevent others from succeeding
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 09:12 AM by cryingshame
Far too many wealthy people approach wealth as a zero-sum gain.

If too many workers have a decent standard of living, if too many small entrepreneurs succeed, it's eating into THEIR profits.

Many wealthy have earned their money and success in a sick, sociopathic system.

Why should Mr. Rich earn, as CEO, 400x the average worker? Just because he might donate large sums... it'd be more healthy for society at large is he made less and gave salary workers a generous raise, benefits and more time off.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:20 AM
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10. No argument there, either.
There's a lot of "guilt by association" practiced, even here.

If you're not broke or hungry, then maybe you should be once a month just for Solidarity's sake, or some other sort of reasoning.

Not that keeping one's perspective is BAD no matter what you have to do to keep it...
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:14 AM
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9. What America needs is a better class of rich people. nt
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:26 AM
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11. You gave me a kick soapman so I shall do the same
B-) :hi:
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:27 AM
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12. It isn't EASY to pontificate like this, is it?
Compadre, don't we both know it.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:29 AM
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13. Carnegie was a union busting dick.
He got rich by breaking the backs of his underpaid workers. So he gave a bunch of it away. Big whoop.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:32 AM
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14. My thoughts exactly
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:33 AM
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16. Especially this episode
The Homestead Strike was a bloody labor confrontation lasting 143 days in 1892 and was one of the most serious in U.S. history. The conflict was situated around Carnegie Steel's main plant in Homestead, Pennsylvania, and grew out of a dispute between the National Amalgamated Association of Iron and Steel Workers of the United States and the Carnegie Steel Company.

Carnegie departed the country for a trip to his Scottish homeland before the unrest peaked. In doing so, Carnegie left mediation of the dispute in the hands of his associate and partner Henry Clay Frick. Frick was well known in industrial circles as maintaining staunch anti-union sensibilities.

The company had attempted to cut the wages of the skilled steel workers, and when the workers refused the pay cut, management locked the union out (workers considered the stoppage a "lockout" by management and not a "strike" by workers). Frick brought in thousands of strikebreakers to work the steel mills and Pinkerton agents to safeguard them.

On July 6, the arrival of a force of 300 Pinkerton agents from New York City and Chicago resulted in a fight in which 10 men—seven strikers and three Pinkertons—were killed and hundreds were injured. Pennsylvania Governor Robert Pattison discharged two brigades of the state militia to the strike site. Then, allegedly in response to the fight between the striking workers and the Pinkertons, anarchist Alexander Berkman tried to assassinate Frick using a gun. However, the attempt failed, and Frick was only wounded. Berkman was not directly connected to the strike, but was tied in for the assassination attempt. Afterwards, the company successfully resumed operations with non-union immigrant employees in place of the Homestead plant workers, and Carnegie returned to the United States. However Carnegie's reputation was permanently damaged by the Homestead incident.

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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:37 AM
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18. Again, everyone is entitled to change.
Or do you Damn people permanently? I think he made pretty good amends at the end.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:35 AM
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17. EVERYONE is entitled to change their ways.
As someone who has lived in three towns in the US and ALMOST one in Canada that sport Carnegie Libraries and foundations that support them, I give people the right to see the error of their ways.

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:43 AM
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19. Okay, find me one instance of him making a statement of contrition about the unions
Fuck his philanthropy. Seriously. And I say this as someone who has supported and done fund-raising for charitable organizations most of my life. I hate the fact that we are stuck with having to get a lot of social services from churches eager to prosletyze and convert or patronizing rich fucks with a God complex. Meanwhile they scour the world for the cheapest labor they can find and stick it to the working people here through tax cuts for themselves and deregulation.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:02 AM
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21. As an ex-"dumpster-diver," I'll take charity where I can get it.
So pick another philanthropist to complain about. You know what? We need the cash.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:19 AM
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24. If we had a fair economy with an adequate safety net, no one would dumpster dive. nt
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:39 PM
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26. Then we'd need no philanthropists. Works for me...
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:57 AM
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20. Eat the rich
with some fava beans and a nice chianti


KICK!
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:40 PM
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27. Too much FAT!! LOL n/t
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:11 AM
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22. Have you seen the "Crumb" documentary? probably stupid ? eh?
oh and kick.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:21 AM
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23. Nope, but then, believe it or not....
I've never even seen Fritz the Cat.

I do have an original pressing of the records "SHAKEDOWN STREET" and "BIG BROTHER AND THE HOLDING COMPANY" with covers in perfect condition.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:32 AM
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25. So what are saying is, that when you have two good apples in the barrel, make apple sauce.
Problem is that if you come with a really good apple sauce recipe some rich son of bitch will come along and still you recipe…


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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:42 PM
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28. Tyler Durden? Honey Is That You?
Welcome to the "I don't *necessarily* hate the rich" club.

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