Teenage girl beaten, expelled and arrested...for dropping cake

[BurtWorm]

Via feministing:


http://feministing.com/archives/007831.html



This is going to ruin your day. A young woman of color in Los Angeles had her wrist broken by a school security officer after not cleaning up a piece of dropped birthday cake to his satisfaction. During the attack he said, "hold still nappy head."

The girl, 16 year-old Pleajhai Mervin, was subsequently expelled and arrested for littering and battery. Because as you can clearly see from the video still above, this teenage girl was battering the shit out a full grown, beefy security guard. Uh huh.

But it gets worse. When the girl's mother went to the school to complain and rightfully demand that this guard be arrested--she was arrested and suspended from her job with the school district.

Students at the scene captured the assault on their cell phones; one such student was also beaten.

Students have planned a walk-out in protest. Do your part--spread the word.

...

[sakabatou]

1. We march closer to 1984

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. More like 1964.

[sakabatou]

4. You've read the book right?

"1984" by George Orwell?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Yeah.

Why?

Looks like just a plain old-fashioned case of institutional racism to me.

[quiet.american]

127. I have to agree -- '64. n/t

[roguevalley]

284. That poor girl and her mom. I swear, what century are we living in?

[Cirque du So-What]

10. If the security officer goes unpunished

it may more closely resemble 1968.

[Bassic]

210. Hopefully we'll get some news about that.

But considering they fucking suspended the girls mother for protesting, I doubt this guy will get any kind of reprimand.

[zbdent]

89. Even more likely ...

1864 ... but then, the noose on the tree wouldn't be empty ...

[fortyfeetunder]

187. I nominate 1954...

in 1964 the establishment was almost getting a clue :evilgrin:

[LibertyLover]

222. Looks more like 1854 to me.

[tomreedtoon]

96. High school has always been 1984.

Perhaps you haven't been aware, but high school is composed of three parts. The bullying teachers with delusions of competence, the bullying psychotic students, and a mass of students as sheep-like as the Democratic Congress.

People have worshipped the supposed sanctity of the American teacher so much that they've ignored the blood under their fingernails. Now these stories are starting to come to light, and folks like you are surprised. Those of us who remember what school is like simply shrug.

[fooj]

130. Hey! Watch it. All teachers aren't bullies.

Where the hell does it say ANYTHING about a teacher being involved in this travesty? I'm a high school teacher and I DON'T have any "blood" under MY fingernails. You've got some nerve.

:grr:

[tomreedtoon]

146. Have you looked at your nails recently?

No, I guess you haven't.

[fooj]

199. You do not define who I am.

I'm short on patience. Teenagers show more respect.

[tomreedtoon]

241. As one of the adults who remembers what being a teen was like...

I learned that respect must be earned, even by supposed superiors. And I learned how easy it is for petty tyrants to intimidate, even before Newt Gingritch.

Considering the crappy job done by teachers - in imparting knowledge, encouraging character and keeping their charges from being freaking killed - teachers had better start defining why they believe they deserve the consideration given to stray dogs, let alone human beings.

[Dorian Gray]

235. Oh, Please

I know you don't like teachers, but BLOOD? You're awfully hyperbolic today.

[thunder rising]

257. I love it, just one adjustment

1. bullying teachers with delusions of competence
2. bullying psychotic students
3. the pacifist teachers as sheep-like as the Democratic Congress, progressing their career by remaining invisible pacifist.
4. and the 99% of the student body that are us, the DU'ers being used and abused at the will by the others.

[immoderate]

2. Why isn't that guard in jail?

:grr:

You're right. Bummer.

--IMM

[ThomCat]

6. Why isn't every that whole security team in jail?

Those that didn't participate at least stood there and let it happen. And there should be an investigation of the entire team in that school for the atmosphere and leadership that allowed something like this to even be possible.

And if they have arrest authority that means they're law enforcement. So are they a division of the local police? I know many big cities have police officers in the schools.

I hope to hell that the guard and the school get hit with a huge $#@%! lawsuit and lose, big time. That guard needs to be unemployable.
x(

[kdmorris]

18. That's what her mother wanted to know

And promptly got arrested for "assault".

[Richard Steele]

35. Because we live in a racist police state?

:banghead:

[immoderate]

58. Like he said: It would ruin my day. I was born in the USA!

The biggest promise in history has been broken. I saluted the flag. I was a goddam Boy Scout! OK, so that was before Vietnam, but there always seemed to be some restraint, some decency.

I worked in NYC schools years ago. The school security guards were attached to the police department, and their main weapon was a uniform and a walkie-talkie. I found them to be professional and effective. Assaulting a student like that would get them bounced.

I'm in Florida now. I'm not surprised that these are private guards.

(No offense meant to any alien people or beings.)

--IMM

[dickbearton]

95. Are these some of the same private security contractors they hire for Iraq?

Blackwater was found in New Orleans. How far is their abuse
being spread. They are right, the terrorist, Blackwater, are
following us back to the United States. Keep Blackwater
mercenaries (murderers) fighting in Iraq, so they do not bring
their terrorism to America. This is not just 1984, it is Alice
in Wonderland.

[tomreedtoon]

97. Because he's in the running for Educational Assistant of the Year.

You don't think the teachers and administration disapprove of breaking a student's wrist, do you? They're envious.

[sasquatch]

264. Because he's a peson of "Authority" henceforth always in the right

[gatorboy]

5. I'm surprised they didn't charge her with attempted murder. n/y

[SeattleGirl]

8. We have absolutely lost our minds in this country.

It is now very fashionable to act like a thug.

:grr:

[AuntPatsy]

11. I hate to agree with you but I do, this is beyond horrifying.

[bjobotts]

40. Must have left his taser at home

[SeattleGirl]

151. We've had a problem in some area schools where they are using

tasers. And guess which students get hit? Yep, the black one. Parents are outraged, and you know what? So am I.

[reggie the dog]

45. exactly

I had students in the ghetto of Chicago explain to me, post 911, when I asked why they did not stop being gangsters that "man the whole country is run by gangsters, cops, mayors, even the president aint nothing but a gangster. One kid said he would stop gangbanging once his set was stronger than that of president Bush.

[SeattleGirl]

153. I think they are right.

God help us all.

[Ghost in the Machine]

194. God's not gonna help us. People need to start standing up for themselves

and quit looking for/waiting on a 'savior' to come to our rescue. The only one that can save us is us.. We, The People...

Just sayin'.........

[emilyg]

126. Yes, we have.

[SeattleGirl]

154. I hope to hell we can get it back.

I can't stand seeing what's happening to us.

[Thor_MN]

215. From the land of Minnesota Nice, which is going the way of the glaciers,

I characterize this as the spread of Texas Mean. No offense meant to the people of Texas that don't fit the bill, not everyone here is nice either.

I look at *, Chenney (Utah? bullshit), that asshole who turned "Get real" and a Oprah spot into a TV show - makes me wonder if there isn't something in the water down there that turns the suseptible into rage filled dickheads.

[CrispyQ]

220. This is what I find so frightening,

that bad behavior is fashionable. We have such low standards of conduct it's not surprising our nation is in the state it's in. Just go to the grocery store. People on their cell phones, blocking the isle with their carts oblivious to others trying to get by, or worse, not oblivious, but just don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

It's all about the individual now, community be damned.

[WildEyedLiberal]

9. This needs to become a PR NIGHTMARE.

All DUers in LA need to bombard local radio, TV stations, and newspapers with outrage about this. People need to organize protests and pickets outside this school. Don't stop until every last one of the neanderthals associated with this outrage has been shitcanned and run out of town on a rail.

[immoderate]

14. This happened in Palmdale. Not even LA County. However...

I agree that this is an affront to all human beings, even LA. ;)

--IMM

[WildEyedLiberal]

55. Ah, sorry. The article said "A young woman of color in Los Angeles"

But LA folks can feel free to raise hell too :D

[immoderate]

64. Their error. The story was from the LA FOX(!) station -- **LINK**

The FOX News story. It's a local affiliate.

The story is good. It happened weeks ago.

--IMM

[everydayis911]

63. Palmdale is LA County

And this girl was asked to pick up the cake and she chose not to, then a female security guard went to tell her again and the girl slapped the officer. Then the male officer got into it and there was no sign of a broken wrist then. There's more to this story than we know.

[immoderate]

68. Oops! Guess I forget how far LA County goes!

Been through Palmdale many times too. :blush:

Is there anything posted about this?

--IMM

[acmavm]

73. You know this HOW? Got any links or proot? You're the only one with

this slant to this story. Let's see some backup.

[Quantess]

78. I posted some links to other articles further down this thread.

Everything I've read so far says that the girl was complying with him. She cleaned up the dropped cake (which she says she dropped accidentally because someone bumped into her) but the officer wasn't satisfied because she left behind a few crumbs. She said she was embarrassed and tried to walk away when he picked up a call. That's when the officer pounced on her.

I'd be interested to hear how you came up with your theory.

[1932]

169. Who would drop cake intentionally?

[Quantess]

188. What?

I'm sure thousands of children, teens included, have thrown food on the floor, intentionally.
This teen did not. I just wanted to highlight that point. She said she was embarrassed. To me, that makes the security guard even more of an asshole.

[Ken Burch]

83. Bullshit. She tried to clean up the cake three times, the guard wouldn't let it go

She was embarassed and humiliated and scared, and tried to walk away(AS SHE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO DO!). The guard broke her wrist over FUCKING CRUMBS! And Christ knows what he'd have done if the student was lesbian(even the harmless, obedient apolitical knows-her-place "Ellen" kind of lesbian who just does what she's told).

You have no reason to be defending this bastard. He's on the other side.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

128. I'm glad she didn't have any anti-bush comments on her shirt...

n/t

[pepperbear]

90. so where are you getting your facts? any evidence? your...

version is the exact opposite...basically what the guards would say.

except nowhere in the story is there any word of this version of the events.


so again I ask, where did you get your facts? you're correct; if what you say is true, it sheds a whole new light on the events. if it isn't, well you should really be ashamed of yourself.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

108. How do you explain the racist epithet?

[NOLALady]

114. Sounds to me like she broke her own wrist just to make

the guard look bad. Somewhat Similar to the way the woman strangled herself with handcuffs.

"the male officer got into it and there was no sign of a broken wrist then"

[ptolle]

247. oh yeah

Sure enough people break their own bones all the time just to make a point.A broken wrist, or any bone, is such a pleasant experience.I'm surprised it's not the latest recreational fad.

[Vektor]

150. I have a very hard time imagining this kid slapping a police officer.

Her entire persona is docile and timid - you can see it in the interview.

Where did you get this information, please cite a source.

[Elspeth]

163. Everydayis911, Palmdale is not LA Unified School district

And no matter what attitude a child has about picking up cake, you don't break her wrist.

[TransitJohn]

12. Holy fucking shit.

I hate fucking cops. This is the shit they do ALL THE TIME. The have absolutely no respect for we the people who employ them, and only view us as problems to be contained. I wish ill upon them. And I'm sure I'll get flamed by people here who have respect for the individuals they personally know who serve in law enforcement, but I'm here to say that 90% of EVERYONE in law enforcement I've ever interacted with on any level is a complete fucking creep with power issues. And yes, I know this guy is not LEA per se, but you can bet your ass he wishes he were.

[AX10]

16. I have no problem telling the police how to do their job.

I pay their salary, therefore I get to tell them how to do their job. It's the same thing in the private sector, the person who pays the salary, tells you how to do the job.

[rucky]

205. We leave authority to the authoritarians, don't we?

In politics. In law enforcement. Americans view the abusive and unreasonable authority figure as being "strong" and "decisive" and all those other out-of-date masculine traits. Then we're shocked when these occupations attract these types and it turns out that they're not interested in protecting the innocent?

We need to change the cultural norm about what we value and demand from people in positions of power and authority. "To Protect and Serve" is on every LAPD police car. I wonder how many cops have read it.

[AX10]

13. There better be a walk-out in protest.

A lawsuit should follow. This piggy should be sued into a box in an ally on skid row.

[lonestarnot]

15. NEVER GO BACK! CHECK INTO ANOTHER SCHOOL!

[BrightKnight]

171. A general strike perhaps but its not the students

that need to leave

[lonestarnot]

230. True that! Shut the damn school down.

[Occulus]

249. Here's a better idea,

one that places every last bit of power into the hands of the students.

Have them spread the word that they all intend to dismally fail the next state-run test, and each one thereafter, until that guard is fired. There would be nothing the school administrators could do about that, and doing so could place the school's funding in jeopardy. By making a school's funding linked to test scores, the students have been given all the power- if they have the guts to take the hit on their academic records.

For students who are not going to college, this could be done with relative impunity...

[lonestarnot]

278. And for those that ARE? Hugh ugh, not a good idea.

[girl gone mad]

17. It will be interesting to see..

what rationalization, if any, the DU authoritarian brigade comes up with for this incident.

[AX10]

20. I wonder if the Mandrell sisters post here just to be antagonists towards us.

They have some sick lusting affair with authority.
:puke: :argh:

[piedmont]

25. Huh? I didn't catch the reference.

What's up with the Mandrells?

[AX10]

27. Barbara Mandrell is an authority loving POS. She is a...

self-described "law and order gal". :puke:

[Orsino]

33. Rich people often are. n/t

[AX10]

36. Also, she was raised in rural Tennessee with backward...

simplistic, religious nuts, and nationalists.

[reggie the dog]

49. I met

plenty of good ole boys and hillbilles each time I have been to Tennessee. Many MANY people there have a "fuck authority" attitude. Many folks grow weed down there, good people for the most part too.

[AX10]

56. Yet they vote for authoritarian types.

[reggie the dog]

61. no

most of the growers I met and talked to for a while did not give a damn about politics, they did not vote. As far as they were concerned politicians were corrupt and no one was for legalizing so they stay home on election day more than they vote one way or another. Do not forget that even in the deep south Democrats still get between 30 and 45% of the vote.

[nealmhughes]

75. She most certainly was NOT. She was born in Houston and lived in Vegas and moved to Nashville

to be a stah in her late teens/early twenties.

In short, someone's provincialism is showing. . .

Have you ever been to rural Tennessee? "To urban Tennessee or suburban Tennessee" would be more apt these days, by the way. Ever been to Nashville, Chattanooga, Memphis or Knoxville? These "hicks" you deride would certainly surprise you these days, I think most of my cousins have mastered shoe-wearing and no longer spit snuff spittle onto the floor, either! We haven't had a right smart sized Klan rally or lynch mob in ages! My cousin has even mastered cipherin' so he could get into Vanderbilt!

[Andy Canuck]

102. The last time I was in Chatanooga

was 20 years ago, and I picked up the Chatanooga newspaper and it's daily editorial was a mind boggling rant on the need for Apartheid to continue in South Africa.

I hope it is more progressive today.

[RainDog]

109. not only that...

Robert Penn Warren, Alan Tate and other "agrarian writers" taught at universities in Tenn...Vanderbilt had "The Fugitive Group," for instance. People are fairly uninformed about a lot of things about TN b/c tourism is a big biz and that gig is marketed to the "hicks" in other states all around the country.

but as far as alternative music, oh, stuff like Bob Dylan recording Blonde on Blonde there... yeah, it's also the home to the Southern Baptist Convention, but that's really not all the area is about, by far. Johnny Cash. Lucinda Williams whose father is a revered poet.

oh, and as far as Mandrall being a law and order gal, this is unsubstantiated rumor, but back in the day, she was supposedly somewhat obsessed with... uh... model trains... you know toot toot.

but whatever. yeah, only in the south do you have big asshole white guys treating blacks like shit. oh wait, that was in L.A. and what about all those movie stars that get pulled over just because of the color of their skin and the kind of car they're driving?

oh, and of course Boston had riots over busing, but that's different.

[RainDog]

111. DON'T JUST TAKE PIX

when something like this happens, students should call 9-11 and tell them that a girl is being attacked by a man in their school lunchroom. do not let this be a "school system" issue. let them send emts or police if this is a security guard. If someone wants to say a student has no right to call in such a situation, then when the hell do laws apply to them?

this goes for every act of violence that passes for police work these days.

this is fascist behavior, over and over and over again. fascist systems need enemies and the old racism of the U.S. seems to making a comeback because of the Bush fascists.

The shitstain broke her arm over cleaning up in a lunchroom.

if you find yourself wanting to defend that, maybe you should think about it for a while.

[Connonym]

214. Take pix AND call

Thanks to technology we can turn the tables back on authoritarianism and get the evidence on them and put it out there on the interweb. Rodney King proved that video evidence is no guarantee but it helps and it sure as hell makes it a lot harder for them to deny, deny, deny.

This whole thing makes me sick. This isn't the America I grew up believing I lived in.

[NOLALady]

217. Unfortunately,

This is the America that I grew up in.

[timtom]

271. OOOoooo!

I like it. I like it.

[R_M]

121. Born in Texas?

That is much worse. :puke:

[PaulaFarrell]

195. How so?

I was born in Texas. And between my Texas-born mother's family and my northern-born father's family, guess which were the most racist?

[cartach]

193. Tennessee

Seems Tennesseans have a lot of cousins,why is that?

[democratdoug]

259. That

[democratdoug]

94. I was raised in rural Tennessee...

I was raised in rural Tennessee and I still live here. I find your remarks very insulting. Some of the most intelligent people I've known were raised in "rural Tennessee".

[ms liberty]

103. And bigotry can be cultural as well as racial, as illustrated by your post.

Congratulations! You've managed to insult two whole groups of people, southerners and rural dwellers in general, in addition to everyone who's from or lives in Tennessee!

[Ken Burch]

136. Tennessee? I thought her family lived in California?

Bakersfield, maybe. Anybody know for sure?

[Pyrzqxgl]

288. The Mandrell Family lived in Oceanside in Northern San Diego County.

Barbara first played steel guitar on the Town Hall Party TV
show and was mentored by guitarists Merle Travis & Joe Maphis.

[Clark2008]

155. I was raised in rural Tennessee...

so the fuck what?

[Ken Burch]

290. My grandfather lived in rural Tennessee until 1911 or so

Shouldn't I be dating my cousin and communicating solely via banjo?

[Bluzmann57]

239. Why must we always resort to insulting people in certain states?

I'm in Iowa, proud of my Midwestern upbringing, but yet do not have to resort to thinking all Southerners are rednecks and hicks, just as all West coasters are not laid back hippie types and all east coasters are not elitist. We are all human beings and as such, have our foibles and flaws. We also presumably all have minds of our own and can make decisions all by ourselves. I'm tired of all ther name calling and stereotyping that goes on in here.
GO CUBS!

[Exultant Democracy]

28. Authoritarian brigade might be a little harsh, but they certainly are Good Little Americans

and yes their rationalizations make me want to puke, I expect that kind of crap on FR not here.

[renie408]

123. YEAH!! "Good Little Americans" that expect unheard of behavior

like standing in line and waiting your turn!! Everybody knows that if you are a REAL American you knock people out of your way and run screaming in circles when you don't get your way!!

ANARCHY!! ANARCHY!! It's the Democratic way!!

[Exultant Democracy]

176. Shit your right, the little girl deserved to get her wrist broken, I'm the asshole here.

From now on I'm sure she will "keep in line.":puke:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

180. Gee, I didn't see that post making any reference to her

Seemed to me he/she was referring to a spoiled attention-grubbing ADULT college student in FL. Who rudely jumped in front of people who were waiting to ask a question. Who refused to let Sen. Kerry answer his questions. Who flailed wildly when he was being escorted from the scene. Who ended up getting his 15 minutes of fame and a job with Greg Palast.

Somehow you have turned this into wanting a little girl to have her wrist broken. :eyes:

[Exultant Democracy]

184. The thread and my post were about the girl, it was a response to my post duhhhhh.

Edit to add:

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Jude.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

185. No, duhhh, it was a response in a subthread about so-called "authoritarians" on DU

Pretty obvious, unless you are unschooled in basic thread navigation.

[Exultant Democracy]

189. I think I know what my own post was about. But I'm not a good little american either,

you should probably break my wrist just in case.

Anyone who wants to post pro-authoritarian bullshit on this thread needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

191. Okay, here's what you responded to:

"It will be interesting to see..
what rationalization, if any, the DU authoritarian brigade comes up with for this incident."

And here's your response:

"Authoritarian brigade might be a little harsh, but they certainly are Good Little Americans
and yes their rationalizations make me want to puke, I expect that kind of crap on FR not here."


renie408's response:

"YEAH!! "Good Little Americans" that expect unheard of behavior
like standing in line and waiting your turn!! Everybody knows that if you are a REAL American you knock people out of your way and run screaming in circles when you don't get your way!!

ANARCHY!! ANARCHY!! It's the Democratic way!!"

That looks to me to be a SUBTHREAD, begun by someone who thinks there are authoritarians on DU. Apparently, that is when you don't applaud the actions of every protestor, no matter how much of an egotistical asswipe he is being.

And now you are accusing me of wanting to injure you. Please, just. get. over. yourself.

[Exultant Democracy]

192. Yes the first post was about who would rationalize breaking the girls wrist

My post was about the people who would inevitable show up to defend breaking the girls wrist.

Even if you are right and Renie406's post was about that kid in FL, then that straw-man argument is highly inappropriate on this thread.

The post looked like a generic defense of the indefensible to me (but shoot with all the people getting the crap beat out of them/killed these days for stepping out of line how was I supposed to know what event they were cryptically referring to.) I should thank you both for proving to me that anything no matter how disgusting can be defended.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

232. You're still accusing me of defending breaking a little's girls wrist. Nice.

Talk about your "straw-man". You are now on my ignore list.

[Exultant Democracy]

289. Yippie!

:toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party:

[renie408]

211. You win.

The thread started about the wrist breaking incident. But then this subthread digressed into the 'rationalizations' that make LC 'want to puke'.

I get sick and tired of people who have a complete inability to differentiate the behavior from the punishment. It appears to me that they are now comparing THIS incident to all the other incidents of abuse we have read about lately. There is a difference between dropping your cake and running screaming around an airport or refusing to take your seat and continuing to yell questions you don't even wait for the answers to.

NOONE DESERVES TO BE ABUSED IN THE NAME OF RESTRAINT AT THE HANDS OF THE POLICE OR THE AUTHORITIES. But sometimes people do deserve to be detained. But it does not matter how many times I write that or how I write it. People like LeviathonCrumbling choose to see "They got what they deserved."

It's really frustrating.

[NOLALady]

218. I agree sometimes people deserve to be detained

if they are a danger to themselves or others.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

177. The day I saw a DUer compare the UF taser kid's treatment

To that of women in Saudi Arabia under the religious police is the day I lost any hope of some people on this board having any concept of perspective.

Naturally they are going to make a similar comparison to this case, even though there doesn't seem to be any.

[Ken Burch]

181. "Authoritarian Brigade" would've been a good name for an British New Wave Band in 1983, btw.

n/t.

[WildEyedLiberal]

57. Who's the "DU authoritarian brigade"?

If you're talking about the people who didn't weep about that tasered kid and call him an American hero, then you're comparing apples and oranges. Unlike that idiot, this girl wasn't out of control, belligerent, or taking swings at anyone. EVERYONE at that school needs to be fired and the guard arrested for assault and battery.

[renie408]

120. As a charter DU Authoritarian Brigade member....

I would like to say...Amen.

(BTW...we have a handshake and password and hold secret meetings discussing how to forward our fascist agenda of civil behavior on the first night of the full moon at midnight. You know, if you're interested.)

[mrreowwr_kittty]

182. Don't forget - Next Thursday is Jackboot Measuring Night!

Be sure to bring a pair of footies. ;)

[Ken Burch]

183. Are their leather costumes and whips?

n/t.

[Lochloosa]

207. Don't make this a sex thread...you'll get it locked.

[iamthebandfanman]

262. i tend to believe they mean

anybody who doesnt fall EXACTLY inline with their beliefs, so they label us.

sounds like a familiar tactic thats been used by a certain party over the last 20 years....hmmm ... makes ya wonder?


if ANYBODY doesnt find what happened to this poor girl outrageous and horrifying, they arent a human being.

[WildEyedLiberal]

263. You nailed it

Thank you.

[sasquatch]

219. See post #63

And the answer is lying

[BlooInBloo]

19. Fuck cops. Worthless citizen-hating pieces of shit.

[1932]

167. Is this guy even a cop? Or is this the Blackwater of county government?

[neweurope]

21. We hate you for your freedoms.

Btw there was another thread on this some days ago.

Not that I mind this being brought to attention again.
And again :)

----------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[peacetheonlyway]

173. Bush to the Hague

I love your tag line... think I'll borrow it!

[neweurope]

224. Please feel free to do so *g*-we can't say it often enough!

-----------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[opihimoimoi]

22. The GOPers BROWN SHIRTS ARE COMING, THE BROWN SHIRTS ARE COMING

SOBs.....Freedom? we got Freedom? not with Brown Shirt Fuckers in the mix...

This is similar to Germany 1933.....

[WinkyDink]

201. ARE HERE.

[Hydra]

23. Love how we treat the powerless in this country

"Land of the free, home of the brave"

(I hope I don't need a sarcasm tag for this)

[End Of The Road]

24. Everyone needs to see this - please K & R

I don't have enough posts to do it myself.

This is appalling.

[truebrit71]

26. I predict the end result will be an unemployed security guard and a substantially more wealthy...

...mother and daughter...

"..hold still nappy head..." :eyes:

At least she wasn't tased...

[cui bono]

29. See what happens when at first you say "the kid deserved it"? n/t

[Arkansas Granny]

30. I've been thinking about this all weekend. If one of us had done

this to our own child, we would probably have been arrested for child abuse and the girl, and any other children still living at home, would have been removed from the home and placed in foster care. It is unbelievable that a security guard finds it necessary to manhandle a 16 year old girl over dropping a piece of cake, even if she had done it deliberately.

[Faux pas]

31. I'm sure Gloria Allred will be all over this one! This is one seriously

sick and sad story. I hope the guy does time for assault.

[mainegreen]

32. So this school will pay for a) Assault b) Civil liberty violations c) Labor law violations

Nice job morons.

[immoderate]

42. The district, maybe the city, will pay...

The mother worked at another school in the district.

--IMM

[Joanne98]

34. I hate cops!!

[L0oniX]

124. I always get my post deleted when I say I hate cops ...so how do you get away with it?

[gtar100]

196. Probably too many punctuation marks

just a guess.

[laylah]

37. Does anyone know how

to contact these lowlife MF'ers??????????? :puke: I cannot believe this happened. And that fat SOB needs to be charged with a hate crime. DAMN~!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. here

http://www.khshawks.org/

[laylah]

44. Thank you! n/t

[FloridaJudy]

53. Knight High School

"We believe all teachers can teach all students".

Is that supposed to be some sort of Zen koan? Good grief, I'd be embarrassed to attend a school with such an asinine motto.

And what is having students abused by security guards teaching them?

[RainDog]

113. here broken down some

tel: [phone]

love this statement:

"Every student at Knight High School will have the option of attending a four-year college or university."

...you may be in a body cast, but you can attend...

I didn't see an email address. they do have a fax no. tho.

[AspenRose]

74. They're saying the school took the website down, so here's more info

"They" being the blog found here:

http://profbw.wordpress.com/2007/09/30/another-racialized-arrest-at-school/


Mailing address:

Knight High School
37423 70th Street
East Palmdale, CA 93552
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

School District’s Office:

Antelope Valley Union High School District Office
44811 Sierra Highway Lancaster, CA 93534
Phone: [phone] Fax: [phone]

Palmdale Superintendent’s office: Dr. David Vierra [phone] X225

Complaint form can be found here:
http://profbw.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/williamsuniformcomplaintprocedureform.pdf

[ProudDad]

135. OMG - Fucking antelope valley

a pocket of fascist California...

That fucking puke pair of inbreeding mouth breathers, the runners, are from there...

http://republican.assembly.ca.gov/members/a36/index.aspx

http://republican.sen.ca.gov/web/17/multi.asp

Fucking Fascist SHITS both of them...

[Orsino]

38. A private security firm, right?

Not state employees subject to stricter oversight?

[jdadd]

47. Maybe this cop

is a blackwater wannabe....

[Homer Wells]

227. And Perhaps

this "Blackwater-wannabe" just made his bones.

Next stop, Iraq and the BIG BUCKS!!!!

:eyes:

[yardwork]

41. This kind of thing is happening all over the United States ever since 2000.

It's horrifying.

[reggie the dog]

106. long before

i think it was about 2000 when cell phones got video cameras in them.....

[gollygee]

43. The End of America

by Naomi Wolf

I can't recommend that book often enough.

This incident is another example of the US's movement to a fascist police state. Seriously.

Read this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

But if you can, read the whole book. Every American should read that book.

[Name removed]

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[Manifestor_of_Light]

70. You mean the L.A. Riots over the Rodney King verdict?

My daughter's very best friend in the whole world was ORPHANED by those riots.

Both his parents were killed. He was 7 years old and lived in the Japanese part of town. He went off to play one day, came back and the whole 'hood was in flames. He's mostly Mexican and 1/4 Japanese.

And all these years, the woman I thought was his mom is his aunt who adopted him.

Those riots have REAL consequences. This child was orphaned at age seven.

All because of the blacks with no economic opportunities destroying the Korean businesses in their hood.

[ProudDad]

137. Kinda' simplistic "blame the victims" isn't this?

"All because of the blacks with no economic opportunities destroying the Korean businesses in their hood."

An all white jury letting off a bunch of other fucked up cops didn't have anything to do with it?

Or 500 years of USAmerica first owning and then shitting on black people??

Or redlining to make sure that blacks CAN'T OWN businesses in their own neighborhoods???

[Contrary1]

48. Video here:

http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=4487143&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[L0oniX]

50. That must have been a damned good cake. Usually the pigs just want donuts.

:sarcasm:

[colorado_ufo]

51. Simply horrendous.

This also illustrates how remarks such as "nappy headed ho" are NOT inconsequential. Meatheads like this security guard will allow this sort of remark to influence their thinking and/or reinforce the racism that they already embrace.

[Totally Committed]

52. "hold still nappy head...." ??????????????

That is so wrong, on so many levels.... I am so angry, I'm speechless.

Broke her wrist? I hope she sues this guy and the school district, and wins.

Ugh.

TC

[Rosa Luxemburg]

54. is this in mainstream media like the NY TImes?

this could possibly spark riots? It is shocking.

[Forrest Greene]

59. Track The Motherfucker Down & Do The Right Thing

[Quantess]

60. Here's more on the story:

http://www.infowars.net/articles/september2007/280907Cake.htm

[Cha]

62. THis LA po-lice officer needs to be Terminated

without pay or benefits.

[ronnykmarshall]

280. He's not LAPD

He's a private "security" guard. And this took place in Palmdale in north LA County.

[benEzra]

65. They also apparently arrested the student who filmed the abuse...

http://infowars.net/articles/september2007/280907Cake.htm

In an even more shocking development the security guards later had the mother of the girl arrested after she sought out an attorney and demanded that the guard be arrested, telling her that if she wanted the guard detained then she herself would also be charged with battery after she allegedly pushed the guard and an assistant principal of the school. She has also been suspended from her job at another school in the county.

The school expelled Pleajhai for five days before then having her arrested for battery and for littering (the dropping of the cake). Then they had the pupil who captured the video arrested along with his sister who was merely present at the scene.

[gollygee]

66. Wow.

Arrested for videotaping police officers behaving improperly? More fascism.

[reggie the dog]

71. no, you got it wrong see

He arrested for attacking a police officer, a felony. Filming the cop while he was violating someones rights is an attack against the cop. The cop said, "do not film me" and the person disobeyed a police order. A big no no here in Myanmar,, I mean the USA. The cops just lie, say the kid pushed them (hey it looks like he pushed them with his back while he was pinned to the ground), and bingo felony. This is not new. Why do you think Ice T wrote the song Cop Killer and NWA wrote the song Fuck the Police?

[ladywnch]

67. sounds like it's time to get a new school board too!

we had school walk out for much less when I was in school. They all need to realize it could be them next time for what appears to be next to nothing......the security guard has a bad day, marriage problems.....anything......the students become fair game.

They should get sued BIG TIME for this!!!!

[Quantess]

69. Here's another article.

The more I read about this story (I can't watch videos on my super-slow computer:-( ) the more it appears that the girl was not doing anything unruly or bratty, just following his orders. This is so outrageous. I hope it picks up nationwide attention!
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5677461

[flashl]

72. Absolutely NUTS!! n/t

[Naturyl]

76. More American-style victim-blaming on display

Personal responsiblity! Blame the victim first! I agree this teenage girl was undoubtedly "battering" the crap out of this full-grown male officer. Yeah. Must have been that. And if the mother complains, punish her too. OBEY AUTHORITY. It's for your own good, and if you're getting your ass kicked by someone in a position of power, it MUST be your own fault.

:sarcasm:

Ugh... I could go on and on, but I'll spare you. And for those who don't think Imus' comments mattered, I'll bet five bucks this buffoon got "nappy head" from that whole incident.

[Quixote1818]

77. Is the world going insane or do we just see this stuff now because of cell phones? nt

[BlooInBloo]

84. Dunno about the cellphones, but this has been par for the course in America for my lifetime.

EDIT: That's not totally fair - it's a bit better now than it used to be, I suppose.

[ProudDad]

138. The latter -- this is S.O.P. in fascist amerika (n/t)

[loudsue]

79. Does it seem to anyone else like the authoritarians are TRYING to

incite riots? I keep getting the feeling that they (the republican authoritarians) WANT there to be riots in the streets, so that they can start killing people without restraint.

It's happening all over the country.

[gollygee]

82. They're trying to see how far they can push it before there's a riot

we're getting worn down by degrees.

My guess is there won't be any riots and the police officer won't be charged with anything. He probably won't even lose his job.

[Ilsa]

80. Holy fuck. IF anyone at school ever laid a hand on my child

I'd probably go ballistic on them. And over a freaking piece of cake?

[txaslftist]

231. Me and you both. Nobody touches my kids. NOBODY.

[NOLALady]

251. I'm right there with you.

Even if she was guilty of "throwing the cake on the floor and refusing to pick it up", she would not deserve to have her head slammed on table and to get her arm broken.
I call that justifiable homicide. I would be justified to commit homicide.

[Joe Chi Minh]

81. Well, that security guard and the judge concerned had better watch out, because I understand

Burt Reynolds is on his way to Jena with his crossbow and just two arrows: one for the judge and one for the police chief. Hey, fatso. You're next!

Do you understand what I was on about, now, Rabrrrrr? Epsilon minus semi-morons with virtually the power of life and death over minority citizens?

I don't think even the Gestapo added that wonderful refinement of beating their victims up, then accusing them of beating them up! I have to say - I'm sorry - but it's so over-the-top, it's hilarious. I got my reference for the army from a deserter, a bloke called Mark. I was reminded of it the other day. But where did that judge get his from? Roland Friesler, Hitler's hanging judge? Or Dr Mengele?

The film, Deliverance, was no fable. Like all enduring legends, it captures a truth, which in this case, has evidently become all too real, and may not even be confined to the rural backwoods in the US.

[otherlander]

85. "...Mervin was subsequently expelled and arrested for littering and battery."

He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?"
And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing, father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the bench.

[illinoisprogressive]

86. I hope a lawyer donates time to sue them and gets justice for them

[kdpeters]

87. The high school itself is named after a notorious homophobe.

William J. "Pete" Knight. Author of the "Knight Initiative" also known as Prop. 22. Father of a gay son, David Knight who was married in San Francisco.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Knight

[ronnykmarshall]

282. God, I'd hate to go to that school.

Why not name it Hitler High?

[fujiyama]

88. What the fuck is going on?

It seems like there's a new story like this every other day?

This is all part of the "New America" I guess. It seriously seems like authoritarian thugs like this fucker have been given free reign over the last several years.

The fact that schools in this country require security guards in the first place is FUCKED UP!

[reggie the dog]

104. right

I have worked in several schools in France and there are no security guards. There is usually one woman or man at the gate making sure that any adults coming in have a good reason to come in and making sure the students only enter/leave during the permitted times but they are not referred to as security guards. Brawls are also far less common in schools over here.

[JohnLocke]

91. The "security officer" should be in jail.

[pattmarty]

92. Fox and the MSM are to blame for this and Jena.

[Joe Chi Minh]

93. You need a restoration of that Fairness Doctrine for the MSM and more.

Your country is now clearly insane.

[Maq]

98. this is a Calif Prison town And the Guards Boss pic here

David Vierra
Educational Relations Committee
Dr. Vierra is a native of the Antelope Valley. He was born and raised in Lancaster and attended Antelope Valley High School and Antelope Valley Community College. He has since received a Bachelors degree and teaching credential from Cal State Northridge, a Master’s Degree from Azusa Pacific University, and a Ph.D. from Claremont Graduate University. Dr. Vierra taught for several years, including a three-year tour with the Department of Defense, teaching military dependents in Germany. Currently, he is with the Antelope Valley Union High School District, where he has served as teacher, Dean, Vice Principal, Assistant Principal, Principal, Assistant Superintendent, and for the past five years, as Superintendent.
Dr. Vierra has been active as a coach with local youth sports including basketball, baseball, softball, and soccer. He and his wife, Joy, have three children and currently reside in the Antelope Valley.

SOURCE: http://www.avwarongangs.com/node/32

[CoffeeCat]

99. Sue their asses!!!!

I used to roll my eyes when people sued. There has been so much
demonization of people who file lawsuits. The general public is led
to believe that people who file lawsuits are sniveling and greedy or
just plain lying.

I don't believe that anymore, like I used to, because I had a talk with a local car-repairman.

He told me that many car-repair shops use cheap parts on cars to save money.
In turn, insurance companies will list these repair shops on their "preferred
business" list--offering to directly pay the repair shop and make it easier
for the consumers. Or so it would seem...

The repair man told me that these repair shops (usually car dealerships) do the
work on the cheap and the insurance companies keep directing customers their way.
What a nice, little arrangement that fills the coffers of big business while screwing
Joe six pack.

He said that State Farm was sued by consumers in a major class-action, for using
cheap parts, "Now, State Farm doesn't use cheap parts and they do great work, because
of that lawsuit." He stated that lawsuits force companies to take responsibility for
their bad practices, cater to the customer and change bad practices.

I firmly believe that if public citizens sue people like this sickening cop--we would
have fewer of these incidents. If the police know that people will sue,
police departments will be forced to implement stricter policies, change their training and tolerate
less of this psychopathic behavior from their officers.

I can't believe he called her "nappy head". What a stupid f&%^ball. Also, the school
district was pretty stupid for firing the mother. Let's all hope she has a stellar work
record and a few good reviews under her belt.

Lawsuits---all around---for everybody!!! Here's hoping that they win a large settlement.

I truly believe that--as we see our civil rights and the Constitution erode to dust--that
lawsuits are one way we can affect change and take back power when the system treats us
unfairly.

[Dollface]

100. The security officer needs a background check. He is obviously a bully who has been led to believe

he can get away with this behavior. I am actually even more shocked by the threats against her mother. If they were white do you think they would suspend him until they could investigate. Is that conspiracy? They were trying to cover up an assault, possibly a hate-crime.

Thanks to those of you who provided alternate links.

I am sad that I am not more shocked by this.

[knitter4democracy]

101. If I were still teaching high school and teaching there, I'd be furious!

Hell, I'm mad now. I can't imagine how upset the teachers must be. This wrong on every freakin' level. Just. Plain. Wrong.

[reggie the dog]

105. personally

I would have tried to organize a teachers strike. I would have contacted my union, and if that had not worked I would have started teaching about the theme of authoritarianism (as a history teacher they could not stop me from doing this)

[knitter4democracy]

116. Me too. I would've started a Brave New World unit.

That was one of the last books I taught. Very fun.

[Oeditpus Rex]

107. I went to the web site of the Antelope Valley Press,

(http://www.avpress.com/) the local newspaper in Palmdale, to try to find more on this story.

There isn't a single word in the last week of issues.

There are, however, editorials such as these:


Dan Rather, who pioneered the concept of "Fake But Accurate" news coverage, still insists the documents he used to try to discredit President George W. Bush were accurate. He and his producer are probably the only two people in the country who think so.

http://www.avpress.com/n/25/0925_s15.hts


For the first time in more than three decades, the United Auto Workers called a nationwide strike against an automaker, as 73,000 General Motors workers walked off the job Monday.

Unable to reach agreement on job security, benefits and other issues, the union struck for the first time against GM since 1971 and for the first time against any automaker since the Ford strike in 1976.

This is not the 1970s.

http://www.avpress.com/n/27/0927_s15.hts


The din continues to drum into our heads about how many unfortunate folks in America don't have access to health care.

Nonsense.

http://www.avpress.com/n/01/1001_s12.hts



The paper also runs regular columns by Bill O'Reilly, Cal Thomas, Ann Coulter and Dr. James Dobson.

Since newspapers tend to reflect their communities, I think this may tell us something.

[Maq]

110. this is a Prison Town

derives its income from Incarcerating People.

[ProudDad]

141. That's incarcerating and torturing people...

I posted the links to the two (married to each other) pieces of shit that represent Antelope Valley in the Calif. Leg... the runners....

[Maq]

157. So I see now. Needs repeating

2 fascist SOBs from Calif

http://republican.assembly.ca.gov/members/a36/index.asp...

http://republican.sen.ca.gov/web/17/multi.asp

[Joe Chi Minh]

269. I susect Dennis is the only politician with the courage to re-nationalise

the prisons. It needs to be done, for sure. Prisoners make profits is not a slogan for a country to live by. Or elections, for that matter.

[Arugula Latte]

112. This stuff can't be hidden anymore, thanks to cell phones and The Internets.

Jesus Christ -- I hope this becomes a huge incident. :grr:

[Honeycombe8]

115. Hmmmm...doesn't sound like all the facts are out yet about this one. ...

It's getting to be more and more the case that policemen and others like that are getting more and more bizarre stories told about them, when they try to take anyone into custody who is being a problem.

Sometimes it's real...but more and more often I'm seeing stories where the arrested person really WAS disrupting the peace or resisting arrest or whatever.

I'll wait for the full story in the AP, when more facts are there. I don't want to jump on the bandwagon against those who I would WANT to arrest someone who is breaking the law or disrupting the peace when I'M around. Giving the benefit of the doubt. (Plus, there's just somethin' about this story that doesn't ring true. Not sure what it is.)

[Oeditpus Rex]

117. Since the only sources so far have been the girl and her mother

it's obvious that we haven't been told everything yet.

Please note that I'm not saying I don't believe them. I'm just wondering where the rest of the story is.

[renie408]

119. According to this story, there have been race related problems at that school before

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_7021117

And frankly, whatever she did, a sixteen year old girl got her wrist broken by a full grown man. I got news...if that happened to my daughter, my husband and I BOTH would be sitting in jail and there wouldn't be any question about whether or not we had battered the 'security' guard.

Even if she did something wrong enough to need to be thrown down over that table like that, breaking her wrist is not called for. It's like the woman that went nuts in the airport and Andrew Meyers...even if they deserved to be detained, they don't deserve to be injured.

[AuntPatsy]

129. This should have been on the evening news, watching msnbc,

brittany and white house asking for new plans to invade iran and oh yeah, iraq is getting better

[Recursion]

132. Normally I agree with that sentiment

Because somebody who has just been roughed up usually presents their story the way they want to.

Still, a 200-pound dude breaking a 16-year-old girl's wrist, and threatening kids taping it with arrest.... I'm not really sure what the "other side" to that could be...

[renie408]

134. That's kind of where I'm at. n/t

[tblue37]

158. Hell, they even arrested the SISTER of a kid taping the incident.

The sister just happened to be there, so they arrested her along with ther brother, on general principlces.

[colorado_ufo]

253. This is terrifying.

[awoke_in_2003]

174. "and threatening kids taping it with arrest"

that one there seals it up. If they did no wrong, why would they not want to be taped?

[Honeycombe8]

267. Has anyone besides the girl's family said he broke her wrist? ....

I'm not saying that's not true. I'm just saying...that's not a regular news source of that kind of story. And there are no corrobating statements....only the "victim's" and her family.

[NOLALady]

273. How much difference would it make if the wrist was broken

or not? According to the above photo excessive force was obviously used by an overweight thug. If nothing was broken, it was only by the grace of God.

But, it would seem to me a bit difficult to fake a broken anything, when we know the "authorities" will contact the Doctor/Hospital involved.
I could be wrong, but somehow the Mother does not seem so dumb that she would fabricate a story about her child's broken arm when it could be so easily verified.

[Honeycombe8]

287. Questions you are not asking: How did her wrist get broken?

Is the guard a thug, really?

What have the witness statements been?

Did she not comply with his request to put her arms behind her back?

Did she pull forward when he went to put her arms behind her back? Or did someone fall on her? Or did the guard do it...intentionally, even?

Is there videotape of the events leading up to the girl's arrest?

Who were the other teens involved in the altercation?

When was the mother called? When did she arrive at the school? Did her mother go to the hospital first, and then go to the school?

When were the police called?

What does the police report say?

Why did the police arrest the mother?

Did the guard really follow the girl around and hound her to clean up the cake...which she did three times, not to the guard's satisfaction?

Has the guard been warned or in trouble before?

Why was a security guard in the school lunchroom?

What is the guard's version?

Is there video from a security camera? Does it have audio?

Instead of asking questions, so many seem to have just taken the girl and her mother's version of events as fact. There is usually more than one side to a story, I have found...and the truth is somewhere inbetween those two sides. Just sayin'. If it were you being accused, you'd at least want people to wait to judge you until all the facts were in, right? Of course you would.

[NorthernSpy]

292. well, we know the guard -- Chris Niemeyer -- is a world-class sissy...

He told the cops that he "felt threatened" by a fourteen-year-old girl who is a fraction of his size and was trying to walk away from his belligerent ass.



:rofl:

[NorthernSpy]

275. um, yeah: her wrist is in a CAST, so I guess the DOCTORS thought she needed treatment....

The security guard grabbed her by the arm as she headed out, the student said. She said the security guard was overzealous in twisting her arms and, despite her pleas, he broke her wrist, which was later put into a cast.

"He grabbed me by my arm and put my arm behind my back and pulled it up until it hurt," said student Pleajhai Mervin. "Then, he slammed me on the table."

The security guard called her a "nappy-head," Mervin said.

According to the reporter, her arm is in a cast.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21034611/




You're as transparent as window glass, "friend".

[gtar100]

200. I can't believe you actually said that

It's getting to be more and more the case that policemen and others like that are getting more and more bizarre stories told about them...

Somehow I can't figure how that relates to an incident with a room full of witnesses and video of the incident. Not that it even remotely resembles what's been going on in so many recent cases either.

First of all, we *need* policemen because by our all-too-human nature there are thieves, murderers, drunken assholes, and the like amongst us. But if cops wouldn't let their extra privileges and power of authority go to their heads, they wouldn't have to try at all to get our respect. But far too many are cops because they like the power, they like to drive fast, they enjoy intimidating people. They get lost in their world because all they do is look for trouble and then they see it everywhere. They confuse fear for respect and make justifications for the deserved resentment they get in return. There are the those who understand their calling and they do deserve the utmost respect for what they do and how they do it. They truly can be called "Peace Officers" because they understand their role and honestly care about justice. And it's never easy because of the constant expectation of being in control, being ready for anything. Not many job requirements include wearing a bullet-proof vest everyday. That says a lot. I wonder what they think when they are called into riot duty because of a "peace demonstration".

Interesting quote - "The problem with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." My experience around policemen (and I've never been arrested but have worked for a former DA investigator for years) is that the job description tends to attract the former more than the latter. Stupid doesn't mean you can't understand a lot of things, just that one's judgment is impaired by emotional fits and an overly sensitive sense of pride.

But as for the school incident, don't worry, the authorities will investigate what happened and will tell us all the truth so we can sleep well. Good night!

[bemildred]

118. She's going to be rich, that video is priceless. nt

[connecticut yankee]

161. I'd get a good lawyer

and sue the hell out of them.

[D23MIURG23]

122. Why is it that every time I look at the news another kid is being BRUTALIZED BY THE PIGS!?!?!?

ARE THERE NO LEASHES TO BE HAD IN THE WHOLE DAMN COUNTRY? ALL THE FUCKING PIGS OUT THERE NEED TO GET PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATIONS AND THE ANTISOCIAL ONES SHOULD BE OFFERED POSITIONS AS GARBAGE COLLECTORS.

:argh: :grr:

[renie408]

125. Did this guy work for a private security firm or the actual police? n/t

[Stump]

142. Security...

This guy is not a police officer. His shirt says SECURITY on the back. Most of these guys are wanna-be cops who could not pass the background check or psychological exam, etc. That's been my experience with private security personnel a least.

[renie408]

144. That's what I was thinking. 'Security' guards are usually much worse than actual police. n/t

[Stump]

149. Big difference...

between police officers and security guards. In VA where I live, they (security guards) don't even have arrest powers.

[Recursion]

131. She must have been wearing sneakers...

[madrchsod]

133. students need to read these two essays

THE STUDENT AND SOCIETY: AN ANNOTATED MANIFESTO

THE STUDENT AS NIGGER

http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0303critic/030301studentasnigger.html

[pitohui]

186. "the student as [redacted]" -- boy that brings back the memories EOM

.

[madrchsod]

238. yes i still have my copy

[Maestro]

139. How stupidly insane is all of this?

I've been in education all my career and undoubtedly we educators take a lot of unwarranted crap but this is incredible. The school district should have fired that "security" guard immediately. And what was the teen suspended for? Assaulting an officer? Please. My school district has police on campus, not rent-a-cops, but if this guy is from the PD he needs to be, at the very least, placed in leave while an internal investigation is completed. How disgusting is this? I'm speechless.

[whistle]

140. This is far worse than anything experienced in America, this has become

...a police prison state mentality the keep order in civilian life regardless of age where force is openly and indiscriminately used at the will by authorities in the open and apparently without limits. Or perhaps America has been living a delusion for the last 150 years or so where this sort of thing has gone on under the cover of secrecy because the technology of instant digital videos for the secret recording of such images where not possible in the past. Then taking retaliatory action against the mother by firing her from her state job for protecting the violent treatment of her 16 year old daughter can be viewed in no other way but thuggery. What is next, lethal force without cause and the herding together of population groups for confinement in concentration camps and gulags?

[renie408]

143. Ummm...I think we have already done that last thing, too. Remember the Japanese internment camps?n/t

[ProudDad]

145. Halliburton has evidently been contracted

and is already building the camps...

All they need is another event "at the level of Pearl Harbor" to allow them to implement their plans...

[tblue37]

147. One good thing will come from this--

That young girl and her family will be set for life after they win their lawsuit against the school and the secutiry company.

[Vektor]

148. I cannot even believe what I'm seeing.

It boggles the mind on so many levels.

I'm curious to see how the rest of this unfolds.

[Dukkha]

152. The POS guard most likely failed the police entrance exam

These rent-a-cop types who have an authority complex are a menace to society. They have no interest in protecting and serving the public and act as peacekeepers. They just live to bully others weaker than them. They're very little insignificant people who wish they were big.

[opihimoimoi]

226. Yup, ya got it right....Under the GOP, Bullyism has gone ballistic.

[tblue37]

156. Retaliate much?

Check this out from another article:

The school expelled Pleajhai for five days before then having her arrested for battery and for littering (the dropping of the cake). Then they had the pupil who captured the video arrested along with his sister who was merely present at the scene

http://www.infowars.net/articles/september2007/280907Cake.htm

[aikoaiko]

159. At least she wasn't tasered.

[pingzing58]

160. I was suprised that National News did not add it to Police out of control like that kid who videoed

the police threats from his dash cam. This video should have been added to that report. I'm waiting for this to be put on national news. There must be plenty of witnesses who saw her picking up the cake and then being made to come back and pick up the crumbs but the bastard wanted her to come back and what "lick the floor clean with her tongue," that School Board and the School Board her mother works for and Administrators should all be sued along with the security guard who committed assault and battery on a child.

[Imagevision]

162. If there weren't camera's around, she would have been tasered, then found dean in her cell, seems to

be a new trend setting in here, careful when you happen to be in the wrong place and find yourself confronting a frustrated police officer, - where the hell is the keeping them honest dude when you need him?

[ingac70]

164. WTF???

Any of this incident made it to YouTube?

:grr:

[muntrv]

165. Who's this guy? The son of gestapo?

[Maraya1969]

166. It's illegal to tape and illegal activity by a security officer also. That kid

was arrested too. What a fucking police state we have become. I swear the police scare me now.

I hope a good attorney wants this case and the girl and her mother sue and win big. This was so wrong.

[TechBear_Seattle]

168. *Sniff* Is that a lawsuit I smell?

It certainly sounds like both daughter and mother have grounds for separate lawsuits that will cost LA taxpayers plenty.

[durrrty libby]

170. There is no common sense and barely any humanity left

What a depressing and nasty world

[puebloknot]

172. This is not new, but becoming more egregious with every minute.

Twenty years ago, I sent my teenage daughter to school with a stiff neck. Then a friend called with a daughter in the same high school, saying several students at the school had meningitis, and one had died. I flew to the school to retrieve my daughter and take her to a doctor. I had to practically push my way past the security guard, although I'd called ahead.

The nurse's office explained to me that it was *their call* whether a student needed medical care. I don't recall what I said, but I got my daughter and left. On the way out, we were both subject to a smirk and foul language from the security guard.

I didn't report it, I just took my daughter to the doctor. I was guilty of the same kind of fatigue and feelings of not wanting to consort with low beings that keeps so many people from filing complaints.

My daughter didn't have a skin color that inspired the guard to refer to her as a "nappy head." That falls under the rubric of misbehavior of a *hate* variety, and the man should be relieved of any opportunity to ever again serve in a "police" capacity. Further, he should spend the rest of his days making financial amends to that young woman and her mother.

Even if she had misbehaved, which she apparently didn't do, he signed on as an adult member of the school's security group, and should be required to behave as an adult, and to respect the civil rights of *all* the students he comes in contact with.

The thugs come out of the walls. They're everywhere. They are *not* worthy of even sharing the same planet with honest and dedicated law enforcement officers. There are some -- many!!!

[NoGodsNoMasters]

175. Disgusting...

This is so shameful. This man should be fired and tried for battery. This makes me ill.

[pitohui]

178. OMFG what the hell is wrong w. people?

has that guard been arrested yet and if not why not?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

179. I hope this asshole gets tasered.

[fortyfeetunder]

190. good fricking grief - this went too fricking far...

Clean up the spot THREE times? I think if she got the major pieces of cake, going any further than that makes her a janitor and she clearly didn't have the tools to do a deep floor cleaning.

Those security guards should be fired and never allowed to work around minors again.

[SeattleGirl]

197. Hell yeah.

Some people need to be kept far away from minors.

This guy is definitely one of them.

[Joe Chi Minh]

265. If he goes to prison, I expect he'll get the same kind of treatment he dished out

to Pleajhai with interest. To awful to contemplate, really, isn't it.....?

[Cronopio]

198. Schools are hiring skinheads as school security officers these days?

A line in a movie about "... going to get me a couple of pipe-hittin' niggers with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch." comes to mind.

[The Doctor.]

202. Is there more footage of any kind?

Either way, the system will pay through the nose... good.

[Divine Discontent]

203. such excellent

well adjusted officers we have in certain parts of this country.


if this doesn't scream brutalization of a minor - I don't think I understand the meaning.


the big oaf broke her wrist over a piece of cake...

OF CAKE!



Governors need to make an address to each of the county Sheriff's in their state and tell them that tazering for quick obedience is illegal, that brutalizing citizens like this girl, is a criminal act, and that frankly, their overall standing in society is quickly becoming one of a mercenary and the citizens have had enough. We CERTAINLY won't get that kind of talk from the nation's top cop in Washington, it might as well be the governors.

[piesRsquare]

204. There IS other information...

Little more info:

-It wasn't "dropped cake"; it seems students had started throwing pieces of the cake around the lunch room. (this from abcnews)

-The security guard in question is currently on administrative leave; the matter is under investigation.

-The kid filming with the cell phone "also ended up in a scuffle with the security guard, according to his mother..." He was also already on probation for a separate incident, and "...it was not the first time (he) had been in an altercation with that security guard..."

-The other female who was arrested (not the one whose wrist was broken) was the camera-phone-guy's sister, who "...also tussled with the guard to help her brother, (their) mother said."

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-palmdale29sep29,1,7732466.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-california

Cop/security guard making racist remarks? Never okay. Handling a non-threatening, sober, unarmed "suspect" so roughly during cuffing that her wrist is broken? Never okay.

"Scuffling" and "tussling" with the security guard? Not okay.

I have yet to find unedited film of this incident. What I have seen gives me the impression that camera-phone-guy was getting in the guards' faces, almost taunting them. He could have filmed the incident just fine without getting in anyone's face.

These guys don't look uniformed to me, and there constantly referred to as "guards"; if this were an LAUSD school with LAPD security, they'd be called "cops" by the L.A. press. I had to deal with wannabe-LAPD high school security guards when I taught high school in Los Angeles; they suck at their jobs, causing more conflicts than they resolve. When there IS a problem, they tend to aggravate the situation, throwing gas on the fire, resulting in escalation. They have no clue as to how to DEFUSE a situation!

Camera-phone-guy and his sister seemed to be stirring up shit, getting physical with security when the original incident didn't even involve them. They saw a conflict/problem and went jumping right in to get part of the action. No sympathy there. Film as you please, since it could help stop injustice, but back off and butt out while you do it--don't go making matters worse. Ask for a reaction and you'll get a reaction.

As for the guard in question? (Proven) racist slurs? Away with him. His actions alone broke her wrist? See ya--and oh, pay the medical bills and damages too, asshole.

The two other kids? Got what was coming. Look for trouble (they did), you'll get trouble.

The girl whose wrist was broken, whose behavior supposedly warranted her arrest and yadda yadda? I have no idea. I want to see the unedited film and read/hear other accounts before I judge. I'm already not impressed by this "guard", but I still want to know more.

For all those bashing cops in this thread, these guys weren't cops. And no teachers were involved, either.

And no, you cannot just storm into a school and demand that a security guard be fired and expect it to happen. There's a thing called "due process", and this guard is entitled to it.

Seems too many people on DU are all-too-ready to assume the absolute worst about teachers and cops, though you'd be up shit creek without us. We expect to be scrutinized by the public we work for, but we expect and deserve to be evaluated FAIRLY.

[conscious evolution]

206. Fuck all cops

That is my evaluation of police.

[ejbr]

236. You're letting your emotions take over

Many cops just aren't cute enough to fuck.

[hiphopnation]

274. echo this sentiment

with the rise of blackwater, outsourced "security" fuck all in authority positions, especially racist cops.

this story is turning my stomach

:puke:

[ccpup]

213. thank you

for your thoughtful Post. I agree that, rather than jumping on what I call the "burn the witches!" bandwagon, it's much better to find out as much info as possible before judging the situation. A violent group think attitude without proper information can only lead to embarrassing "whoopsies" and "oh shit, I didn't know that"s when it's all said and done.

I live in NYC and, so far, the cops I've met have been pretty cool. Not that EVERY cop -- or person in an authority position -- is cool or perfect, but, then again, not everyone on DU is cool and perfect either.

Thanks for the latimes link.

[txaslftist]

234. You haven't pissed one off.

I've seen a lot of cops who are "cool" go ballistic and completely overreact when they are pissed off. I've seen otherwise very professional highway patrolmen crack a guy's skull when he was already down rather than let him continue to cuss at them.

Authoritarians are generally pretty nice to you so long as you do exactly what they say and give them their due. It's how the guy reacts when he gets some "attitude" from someone or some "disobedience" that's the acid test.

That's when you see the difference between a professional and a thug. I imagine that this girl didn't show this thug what he thought was the proper amount of "respect"; so she winds up with a busted wrist and goes to jail.

99% of the time that would be the end of it.

1% of the time we get a video, and there are people who will defend the thugs to their last breath, even when there's a video tape.

People forget that the first Rodney King jury found the cops "not guilty".

[ccpup]

240. I think the point

that the Poster I was responding to was making is that you can't just lump all Cops into one big group and call them evil or bad. One also can't deny the fact that there may be information about the people involved leading up to what was recorded on the cell phone that we don't know about. It's very easy to say "the Cop overreacted and he's a horrible person", but I wasn't there so I don't know what emotions were leading up to the confrontation.

I'm not supporting him, by any means. I'm just not the type of person to jump to conclusions and scream "authority = bad", that's all.

[NOLALady]

245. I can jump to conclusions when I hear racial slurs,

and I see two 16yr old girls with broken arms/wrists. Arms that were broken by big burly cops who said they felt threatened.
Authority is bad when a cop admits he had to control a 16 year old girl which resulted in a fractured arm.

I have a 17yr old athletic daughter. I know she would try to break away from anyone who attacked her, uniformed or not. Her natural reaction to an attack would be called assault, battery and resisting arrest. This could have been my child.

[ccpup]

258. fine

do what you like

[Joe Chi Minh]

272. She is, and I'm sure thanks you for your largesse. What do YOU imagine would

justify what she has just outlined? Abdicating your intelligence in relation to an issue where such a patent outrage is involved is not a matter of "cool reflection".

[ccpup]

285. nothing at all to do with "largesse"

and everything to do with the realization that any discussion about this issue including 1) the subtleties of rational thought and 2) admitting that we don't know the whole story would be as utterly lost on DU as it would on what I now believe to be DU's close cousin, FreeRepublic.

If people want to think "all cops bad" then, fine, let them do it. But, although it may be the truth in this instance, it's not The Truth generally. That's the only simple point I was trying to make. But, hey, what's DU without a daily dose of ridiculous, ever-present snark, right?

[Joe Chi Minh]

294. I'm sorry, I didn't see any post rubbishing the official police. Maybe

some of them, but mostly some untrained or under-trained, private security-guards.

Imo, common sense would suggest that the authority of security guards should be restricted to just that - guarding against acts of violence against the person, and significant damage to property, i.e. vandalism (which latter would not comprise causing food to be found on the floor); Any other disturbing misbehaviour to be reported to the headmaster/mistress or senior teacher present. Otherwise, they should not have authority to tell the children what to do. If he thinks it needs to be dealt with, then he should report it.

Official police work IS different from virtually any other activity in that recalcitrant and violent people are usually only likely to respond to a heavy and menacing police presence, so the relatively few sociopaths among police will exploit the resultant authority invested in them, to the detriment of law-abiding people they consider vulnerable, to sate their own lust for power and self-aggrandisement.

On a course on overseas trade I once attended, I met a lad who worked as a bouncer in the evenings at one of the dance halls of a big chain. They had a scam going on from before his time, whereby they helped themselves to a little of the takings. One of their number apparently split on them, so that one night about fifty police descended on the place in extremely aggressive mode, separated them, put them in cells, stripped them naked and interrogated them. He was quite shocked by the level of aggression of their manner. No physical violence, as far as I'm aware. But thinking about it later, the police couldn't really have gone up to a group of bouncers and told them in very reasonable, measured tones that they wanted to interrogate them, could they?

He was a very intelligent lad, so he'd have thought of that when the dust had settled. Apparently, they wanted to pay for the bloke who told on them to be murdered, and he asked my opinion. I told him to just stay out of it. He was worried about the court appearance he was to make, but I told him he seemed one of the few people I'd met whose employability was unlikely to be unduly adversely affected by having that on his record. He'd been privately educated via a scholarship he'd won, then became a naval officer in the merchant marine, and subsequently worked at a host of other jobs.

He'd come in an hour or two before the rest of us, after a night of debauchery and drugs, and dashed off the homework we'd been given the day before. Then get top marks! I used to feign outrage, of course, volubly cursing the cruelly unfair fate that had ordained this! A bit like the Prodigal Sons' brother... hearing music and laughter in the distance....!

Just a bit of local colour.

[NOLALady]

223. It's now a crine to demand the firing of someone who has

harmed your child. The Mother spent a night in jail and it seems that she lost her job for the crime of demanding justice.

So, students were throwing cake, but only one student was expected to be the designated janitor. She refused to follow orders which resulted in a racial slur and a broken wrist. That'll teach her and her uppity Mama too.

I'm certain that the other girl learned a valuable lesson about coming to the defense of her brother. She will not have the nerve to make a mistake like that again, by golly.

[Old Vet]

228. It didnt make sense to me either, Thanks..

for the fact chect instead of the spell check.

[NorthernSpy]

233. next time, they should keep the cake and just drop a few crackers...

Food fights are revolting in any case, but why waste the good stuff? That's no way to celebrate!

[Divine Discontent]

291. 2 broken wrists on the students but none we know of on the adults

also, nappy head comment (if he said that, but judging by the fact he's the attacker who broke at least Pleajhai's wrist, he probably did). I dunno, just seems rather cut & dry to me that the security guards got a tad carried away over kids throwing cake (if that's what they did). Throw cake? I'm busting your wrist and making fun of your ethnicity.

Who said all teachers were bad anyhow.

[Jacobin]

208. But, but but, the SOUTH!

:eyes:

[renie408]

212. You mean that someone is infringing on the South's patent on bigotry???

We'll sue, I tell you, SUE!!

[Bassic]

209. Jesus Christ, if this happened as reported

And considering it was in LA, I have no trouble believing it, this is a fucking disgrace. To me this isn't much better than the Rodney King beating.

[colorado_ufo]

252. Watch the video.

This is worse than Rodney King, as King was an adult man.

[Bassic]

255. Has this even made the MSM? nt

[valerief]

216. How can the ruling class "let them eat cake" when they drop it?

Is he, I mean, is "it" a Blackwater security officer? Sure sounds like one of those creatures.

[EnviroBat]

221. If this guy isn't severely punished over this, might I suggest

it's up to a few of us to "do somethig " about him. Personally, I'd love to crack this assholes skull for him. It's time to start rising up against this shit once and for all. People should be waiting for this fucker in the parking lot. Fucking child-beating, racisit piece of trash. I hope somebody stomps this turd into the ground.

[NorthernSpy]

244. if a black man snapped a little white girl's wrist, there'd be official action...

... and it wouldn't be against the girl, or her parents, or her friends who had come to her aid. Regardless of whether the kids had been doing dumb kid stuff like tossing chunks of cake at each other.

Any justice in this case will not come from this thug's enablers. That much is certain.

[EnviroBat]

246. You said it...

[NOLALady]

248. Right.

I wonder how many black guards in Simi Valley (or anywhere else in this country)have snapped the wrists of little white girls after referring to them by the racial slur du jour. Justice would be swift with no questions asked about their emotions that led to the incident. PLEASE!

Once again, the march in Jena was about unequal justice. It had nothing to do with exonerating a guilty person.

[BronxBoy]

286. And we certainly..

wouldn't be hearing all of these "let's wait for the other side of the story" rationalizations. "Those kids just had to do something!"

You can't tell me these type of events don't happen in White schools. Kids are kids. But it's become almost a given that when you read one of these stories, the kid is Black and his or her life now becomes burdened by a criminal record.

To paraphrase a old saying "When a Black kid takes drugs, it's a criminal act. When a White kid does it, it's a medical problem"

[SlingBlade]

225. Fucking Fascist

[NOLALady]

229. The gaurd felt threatned.

"Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies said the guard told them he felt threatened by Mervin.

"There was resistance by her," Sgt. Darrel Brown said. "He went to control her." (This statement is chilling IMO)



Also, it seems that both of the girls were injured.



"Majors and her daughter were arrested in the Sept. 18 lunchtime incident, along with Joshua Lockett, 14, who videotaped the fight, and his sister, Kenngela Lockett, 16, who also suffered a fractured wrist.

Both Mervin and Kenngela Lockett attended the protest with their arms in slings."

[NorthernSpy]

242. typical pantywaist -- thinks even a tiny black GIRL is really the fierce Shaka Zulu in disguise...

He had to sit on her. She could have hurt him bad! She left him no choice.


:eyes:

[NOLALady]

237. He felt threatened by a 16yr old girl.

"Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies said the guard told them he felt threatened by Mervin.

"There was resistance by her," Sgt. Darrel Brown said. "He went to control her." (This statement is chilling IMO)



Also, it seems that both of the girls were injured.



"Majors and her daughter were arrested in the Sept. 18 lunchtime incident, along with Joshua Lockett, 14, who videotaped the fight, and his sister, Kenngela Lockett, 16, who also suffered a fractured wrist.

Both Mervin and Kenngela Lockett attended the protest with their arms in slings."

[Katherine Brengle]

243. Jesus.

Fucking LA. Fucking racism. Fucking treating a young woman like shit because who the hell cares about them anyway.

Fuck.

[npincus]

250. Thom Hartmann just cited this thread and DU!

He gave a "shout-out to the good folks at DU"!

[colorado_ufo]

254. Pleajhai Mervin will be the Rosa Parks of her generation.

Rosa only wanted a seat on a bus. Pleajhai Mervin only dropped a little birthday cake.

[NOLALady]

256. We had one Rosa Parks.

Unfortunately, it seems that we have many Pleajhai Mervins.
I heard so many horror stories from parents on September 20th. The parents were from across the country not just the deep South.

[backscatter712]

260. Where's the justice?

If there was any justice in this world, that fucking pig of a guard would spend the next six weeks taking in his nourishment through a straw!

Fuck the cops!

[iamthebandfanman]

261. if i had witnessed that

me and a few of my friends would have beat the holy shit outa that guy.
i dont care.

no rent a cop is gonna make racial slurs and pick on a kid like shes some slave infront of me.

i havent felt so outraged over something in a long time.

no justice ?


no peace.


thats what i say.

[NOLALady]

266. The 14 yr old boy may have tried to help her, according

to some reports.
He was attacked. His sister tried to help him, she was attacked and her arm was also broken.

I suppose they got what they deserved for interfering with authority. The nerve of them. Uppity and all! That will show them.

[tblue37]

279. THAT's what it reminded me of. That skinhead hulk is an OVERSEER! n/t

[Ethelk2044]

268. I posted this on another blog. This is the feedback I received.

Ethelk2044
By: streetcat196
10/2/2007 12:11:02 PM


WTH!!!!!!!!!!!! Broken bones, arrested and mother on suspension from her job over spilt cake. Unbelievable! Oh yes there will be

WTH!!!!!!!!!!!! Broken bones, arrested and mother on suspension from her job over spilt cake. Unbelievable! Oh yes there will be some calls made for sure.

Superintendent of the school

[e-mail]

[Ethelk2044]

270. Everyone here are some emails. Please email them about your concerns

In reach school officials at the follow email addresses:
The Palmdale Superintendent, David Vierra at [e-mail] (secretary’s email)
Palmdale Mayor, James C. Ledford Jr. at [e-mail]
Palmdale Mayor Pro Tem Mike Dispenza at [e-mail]
Palmdale Councilmember Steven D. Hofbauer at [e-mail]
Palmdale Councilmember Stephen Knight at [e-mail]
Palmdale Councilmember Tom Lackey at [e-mail]
Palmdale Stephen H. Williams at [e-mail]
Email all of them at once: [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]

[McCamy Taylor]

276. They is no "benefit of the doubt" here. The school district's actions scream "guilt" and "cover up"

I am from the South where this kind of crap happens all the time. You guys just don't see this enough to recognize it, I think, so some of you are trying to cut the school district and the security guard some slack thinking "They can't possibly be this bad". The answer is "Yes" they can be this bad.

The video taker and his sister were arrested in order to silence them (they are witnesses with evidence).

The mother was arrested and thrown out of her job in order to deter her from filing a lawsuit.

The girl had her arm broken, because the guard is a sick, racist SOB who gets his jollies beating women and Blacks and children--in front of a crowd if possible to show off his power.

I can't wait for the crowds of protesters who were in Jena to descend upon this shitty little California community to show the world that you do not have to live south of the Mason-Dixon line to be a red neck. California is full of them, too. It is one of the state's nasty little secrets.

[Sam Ervin jret]

283. where, when,? This crap has got to STOP NOW. A grand mother is let off her job for showing her grand

daughter what it is like to have a rope around her neck during a school demonstration, BUT THIS SOB ????
What is HE trying to teach?
Both these actions happened on school property.

While I agree this(the action with the grand mother) would be traumatic for a young grade school student to see and certainly to feel, it is hardly the most dramatic thing a black adult has had to do in order to protect their young from the oppressive and at times murderous inclinations of their captives. It is a national historic fact and shame that older generations of black Americans have had to whip or in other ways punish their young in an attempt to teach them survival techniques in this our "home of the free and the brave."

This is the shame of the NATION not of the parents trying to protect the lives of their children.

After the Jena 6 trial a grandmother trying to show the horror of "the rope" to the youngsters in her group may have seemed like an educational defense against future attacks.

With this video we see her concerns were well founded even if her tactics were not educationally and psychologically wise.

[Kurovski]

277. So many little Brown Shirts desirous of a piece of the "authoritarian" pie.

So hopped-up by this ugly administration.

[NorthernSpy]

281. local newspaper names thug: CHRIS NIEMEYER

PALMDALE - A community meeting to discuss a Sept. 18 Knight High School melee that ended with the arrest of three students and one parent drew a crowd of about 80 parents, mostly black, who vented their anger over school and law enforcement handling of young people of color.

Over nearly three hours Monday in the Knight High theater, parents and others decried the treatment of the three arrested students, and a number called for the firing or arrest of school security guard Chris Niemeyer, alleging he inflicted injury by way of excessive force.

School and district officials, meanwhile, said the situation is being investigated and Niemeyer will remain on paid administrative leave until the investigation is closed.

"There's due process," said David Vierra, superintendent of the Antelope Valley Union High School District. "We're not going to predetermine what we think that's going to be."

http://www.avpress.com/n/02/1002_s1.hts


Enablers! But they're a little bit rattled now -- you can tell.

[Dollface]

293. Probably the son of that Niemeyer in Animal House.

He was a conservative too.