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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:33 AM
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Was there a law against War Profiteering during WW II and if so why is there not one now?
I think Congress should address this issue since they are helpless on everything else..
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:36 AM
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1. "they are helpless on everything else.."
that pretty much sums it up does`t it?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:41 AM
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2. There was a law
LBJ made a big splash against profiteers.

That said, even then big business made out like bandits.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:09 AM
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10. LBJ? WW2? n/t
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:32 AM
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13. Was a congressman, if I recall
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:33 AM
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14. Oh OK, Truman always comes to mind as anti-profiteer in WW2,
you don't think about LBJ.

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:34 AM
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15. I think he was riding on Truman's coattails
My shoddy memory from reading "Master of the Senate" a number of years ago.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:42 AM
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3. There was, but we had honorable presidents then. Now, not so much:
(this is from a 2003 'Nation' article)...

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030512/editors

But where's the outrage? Where is the leader with the courage to say, as Franklin Roosevelt did during World War II, "I don't want to see a single war millionaire created in the United States as a result of this world disaster"? Democrats in Congress--and Republicans who have not placed their conscience in a blind trust for the duration of the Bush/Cheney years, a group we hope still includes Arizona's John McCain in the Senate and Iowa's Jim Leach in the House--should borrow a page from past wars, when the nation's elected leaders knew what to call businessmen who used hostilities abroad as an excuse to raid the federal treasury. Senator Robert La Follette tagged them as "enemies of democracy in the homeland." During World War II Harry Truman referred to some forms of war profiteering as "treason."

When he heard rumors of such profiteering, Truman got into his Dodge and, during a Congressional recess, drove 30,000 miles paying unannounced visits to corporate offices and worksites. The Senate committee he chaired launched aggressive investigations into shady wartime business practices and found "waste, inefficiency, mismanagement and profiteering," according to Truman, who argued that such behavior was unpatriotic. Urged on by Truman and others in Congress, President Roosevelt supported broad increases in the corporate income tax, raised the excess-profits tax to 90 percent and charged the Office of War Mobilization with the task of eliminating illegal profits. Truman, who became a national hero for his fight against the profiteers, was tapped to be FDR's running mate in 1944.

How about authorizing a contemporary "Truman Committee" to oversee Iraqi war contracts? There's a strong issue here for candidates John Kerry, John Edwards, Joe Lieberman, Bob Graham, Dick Gephardt and all the other Congressional Democrats who would lead their party in 2004 against a President who will be rolling in corporate dough, some of it from companies that profit from war. Voters will respond to a Democrat who is willing to battle the profiteers. Like most Iraqis, most Americans want to see an end to the looting.
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:45 AM
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4. I'm sure there are laws - enforcing them is another matter
btw Sen. Harry Truman made a name for himself by exposing war profiteering scams. At one point went to a facility that was receiving funding for some sort of war production and found no one there. Truman had the tenacity to clamp on and not let go until stuff like this was resolved.

On the other hand, the Bush family (& others) managed to "profiteer" with Germany while the war was going on and were never really held to account for it (i.e. TREASON).
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:52 AM
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5. Because one of the worst Profitters of WWII
has a grandson in the White House.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:52 AM
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Because profit is the reason for the war. nt
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:55 AM
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7. The Dems should have been all over this from the start, even
with the authorization of force given to the Pres. It would have outed the Repugs from the start as using this for profiteering and Imperialism.

The only groups that benefit from modern war are bankers, arms manufacturers, security firms and oil companies.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:52 AM
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6. Wasn't there a song..."America needs you, Harry Truman... Harry won't you please come home?"
:patriot:
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:05 AM
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8. If there were, business interests and government ignored them then, too
From Chapter 2 "Who Makes the Profits" - "War's a Racket" by General Smedley Butler (it's in the public domain so I'll post a bit more than 4 paragraphs)

Please, note the names he mentions; they're still here in one form or another; the super-person corporations who exist "in perpetuity".

The World War, rather our brief participation in it, has cost the United States some $52,000,000,000. Figure it out. That means $400 to every American man, woman, and child. And we haven't paid the debt yet. We are paying it, our children will pay it, and our children's children probably still will be paying the cost of that war.

The normal profits of a business concern in the United States are six, eight, ten, and sometimes twelve percent. But war-time profits – ah! that is another matter – twenty, sixty, one hundred, three hundred, and even eighteen hundred per cent – the sky is the limit. All that traffic will bear. Uncle Sam has the money. Let's get it.

Of course, it isn't put that crudely in war time. It is dressed into speeches about patriotism, love of country, and "we must all put our shoulders to the wheel," but the profits jump and leap and skyrocket – and are safely pocketed. Let's just take a few examples:

Take our friends the du Ponts, the powder people – didn't one of them testify before a Senate committee recently that their powder won the war? Or saved the world for democracy? Or something? How did they do in the war? They were a patriotic corporation. Well, the average earnings of the du Ponts for the period 1910 to 1914 were $6,000,000 a year. It wasn't much, but the du Ponts managed to get along on it. Now let's look at their average yearly profit during the war years, 1914 to 1918. Fifty-eight million dollars a year profit we find! Nearly ten times that of normal times, and the profits of normal times were pretty good. An increase in profits of more than 950 per cent.

Take one of our little steel companies that patriotically shunted aside the making of rails and girders and bridges to manufacture war materials. Well, their 1910-1914 yearly earnings averaged $6,000,000. Then came the war. And, like loyal citizens, Bethlehem Steel promptly turned to munitions making. Did their profits jump – or did they let Uncle Sam in for a bargain? Well, their 1914-1918 average was $49,000,000 a year!

Or, let's take United States Steel. The normal earnings during the five-year period prior to the war were $105,000,000 a year. Not bad. Then along came the war and up went the profits. The average yearly profit for the period 1914-1918 was $240,000,000. Not bad.

There you have some of the steel and powder earnings. Let's look at something else. A little copper, perhaps. That always does well in war times.

Anaconda, for instance. Average yearly earnings during the pre-war years 1910-1914 of $10,000,000. During the war years 1914-1918 profits leaped to $34,000,000 per year.

Or Utah Copper. Average of $5,000,000 per year during the 1910-1914 period. Jumped to an average of $21,000,000 yearly profits for the war period.

Let's group these five, with three smaller companies. The total yearly average profits of the pre-war period 1910-1914 were $137,480,000. Then along came the war. The average yearly profits for this group skyrocketed to $408,300,000.

A little increase in profits of approximately 200 per cent.

Does war pay? It paid them. But they aren't the only ones. There are still others. Let's take leather.

much more at link


The difference between then and now is that then, business was "quiet" about it since the majority of Americans would have been outraged had they known; it was something to be ashamed of. Now, with our far too commonly accepted "conventional wisdom" that business has a "right" to make profit, business is blatant about its role and government, and some in the citizenry, lauds their efforts.

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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:06 AM
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9. Wouldnt it be great to see a Democratic wannabe make it
a major platform issue along with getting us out of this mess and health care.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:10 AM
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11. I think Congress should limit the prices on what the Pentagon will pay for stuff.
War supplies should be produced "at cost" by defense contractors and that cost should be determined by Congress.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:23 AM
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12. This was a different country during WWII
I was only about 10 at the time but Americans acted like Americans. We saved cans and other metals for the war effort. We supported our troops. We did not shout from the white house that the republicans were traitors, unAmerican, unpatriotic and all the other things this bush white house has called the democrats. We pulled together to fight the enemy. We did not allow the corporations to take over our country. We did not allow our government to funnel out tax money to the big corporations. We sacrificed by using ration books, for food, and for clothing that would be needed for our troops. WE WERE NOT THE ME FIRST GENERATION. Like the people in the country are today.

I just don't feel that this generation really acts like true Americans. Look at how even the members of our own party are bashing candidates even more than the republicans. They should all be ashamed of themselves. We might be old and creaky but by God we knew how to be Americans and that's something that this bunch now a days are lacking.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:37 AM
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16. The War Profiteering Prevention Act
authored by Pat Leahy is a very strong bill. I presume Reid hasn't brought it to the floor because he doesn't have the votes.
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