Re: Limbaugh remark. I don't know a thing about it but a freeper told me

[crim son]

that the soldier who was the target of Limbaugh's ire didn't even make it through boot camp. Is this true? Does it matter? Link? Please :) I'd like to have a decent rebuttal.

On edit: Thanks, everybody. I've read the links you provided and from what I can see, my friend is wrong and you can be sure I will inform him of his error.

[redqueen]

1. "the" soldier? Didn't he direct that at ANY soldier

who disagrees with this unnecessary, stupid occupation for oil?

[crim son]

4. Well, that's the question, according to the freeper.

His point is that Limpballs was talking about a certain kind of "soldier" that is, somebody who isn't really a soldier at all and therefore should not claim to be one.

[redqueen]

8. But only anti-war soldiers are that kind of "soldier"?

:eyes:

Sounds like the freeptard you're talking to is a waste of time.

[Cha]

27. brainwashed freeper but still

if someone like that spouts limpbaugh's trying to weasle out of what he said then it's good to set the record straight.

limpbaugh said that those Soldiers who wanted us outta Iraq were Phony Soldiers. It sounds like limpbaugh is telling his ditto heads he didn't say that or this particular freeper is trying to rationalize still hanging on his every fucking word.

[Karenina]

24. Yeah, and THEN it was diverted to

Jesse McBeth and then Buttcyst altered his transcript and then the Congresscritters took it up, and then, and then?

Uh uh... And then along came Jo-o-ohn. do do dodida doot dadoot...

[Bitwit1234]

39. Here's the link to crooks and liars

But limbaugh says he wasn't talking about soldiers. He is spinning like the piece of turd he is.

www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/27-troops-supporting-us-withdrawal-phonysoliers


or go to www.crooksandliars.com to the archives. I don't know how to post a link.

[crim son]

41. Thank you. I'll find it & I appreciate it.

Good stuff.

[crim son]

42. If you look at the left side of the page you can

find a link to recent articles on Limpballs. http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/right-wing-pundits/rush-limbaugh/

Great info here.

[Kadie]

2. I thought it was Rush that didn't make it through boot camp.

:shrug:

[crim son]

6. True, but that's beside the point.

We all know he's a hypocritical asshole.

[Frances]

7. Best answer yet

Do what the Repubs do. Attack, don't defend. And this attack is excellent!

[Jim__]

14. Hey, c'mon! The poor guy had a pimple on his ass. - n/t

[radfringe]

32. he didn't even make it INTO boot camp

[rasputin1952]

34. He never made it to the Recruiter or a physical when he was

about to be called up in the Draft. He got a letter from a physicain stating he had his anal cyst. He never even got close to entering the service.

[Frances]

3. I don't think Limbaugh was referring to A soldier

He was talking about phony soldierS.

Maybe someone can find the link to the original exchange where it's clear that Limbaugh used the plural.

I think Limbaugh has since used an edited version which the MSM accepted.

[Supersedeas]

50. a point that should not be forgotten in the attempt by ditto-heads to cherrypick

[babylonsister]

5. Limbaugh and the freeper are revising history. Here's where you go

for the background of what's going on:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200710020011?f=h_top

[crim son]

9. Thank you. I'll check it out!

:hi:

[redqueen]

11. Yup... that's what freeps have to do...

we all know how reality has a well-known liberal bias... so if you want to pretend like right-wing drivel has any worth at all, you gotta whitewash, whitewash, whitewash!

[Frances]

12. Thanks for the link

[Jim__]

10. Why would you refer to one soldier as "phony soldiers"?

Limbaugh made a generic remark. Long after the first remark he started talking about the one soldier. Media matters should still have a recording of limbaughs remarks.

[crim son]

23. I think you're right, but I also can see how a person might use

the plural to make a more emphatic point. Like when an idiot throws trash out of his car window and I mutter to myself, "Damn, I hate those fucking losers."

It sounds like I'm making excuses for L. I'm not; I'm looking for a good rebut.

[Buzz Clik]

25. He meant it in the broadest application possible.

He realized his huge screw up later and tried to head for higher ground. Some of his idiot followers are defending him, but they also don't seem to care that Limbaugh has been a hypocrite and liar for his entire career.

[youthere]

13. NOT true.

He was on the phone with a caller who was talking about the soldiers that criticise the war and Limbaugh interjected "the phony soldiers".
here's a link to media matters on the issue.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200710020011?f=h_popular

[TheUniverse]

15. Limbaugh altered his transcript.

He tried to make it look like he was referring to "Jesse MacBeth," an actual phoney soldier who claimed he commited war crimes in Iraq but actually never served. He actually said Jesse MacBeth later in the show. At first I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but then he referred to Jack Murtha as a phony soldier http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280011

And then he called an Iraqi Veterans anti war group "suicide bombers."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200710020014

I think now there is no doubt where he stands.

[JackBeck]

16. This isn't an isolated incident.

He's also called Paul Hackett a "staff puke". He's also denigrated Max Cleland's service, as well as many others who have served.

[DemGa]

17. He calls the soldiers who speak out against the war "phony"

Rush is an expert at covering his smarmy fat ass, and that is exactly what he was trying to do. But any way you cut it, he said the soldiers who disagree with him turn out to be phony--"phony soldiers."

[LSK]

18. this link should clear up the wild spin going on regarding this issue

http://mediamatters.org/items/200710020011?f=h_top

Also, Rush would probably characterize Tammy Duckworth, Paul Hackett, General Clark and Pat Tillman as "phony soldiers" if given the chance.

Also you should know by now to NEVER BELIEVE FREEPERS.

[rodeodance]

19. There as a story about him last week-Jessie (?last name)----He got kicked

out after 5 weeks (regular press article)

[crim son]

28. Thank you. That's what I wanted to know.

Damn, people are so defensive on either side.

[terisan]

20. Who is Limbaugh's puppeteer? Who pulls his strings? If we start talking about puppeteer, Limbaugh

will disappear.

Right wing business puppeteers don't like too much publicity.

[Buzz Clik]

21. Limbaugh stated clearly and openly that soldiers who don't back the war are "phony soldiers"

In the context of his original comments, he was talking about dissenting soldiers in general. In his typical fashion, he has subsequently tried to suggest that "hateful liberals" have distorted his comments and took them out of context.

No way.

Limbaugh eventually turned his attention to one soldier who was, indeed, a phony. But Limbaugh's long-winded complaints are a classic case of covering his enormous ass.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/03/washington/03memo.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Check out Media Matters for the original Limbaugh clips and complete transcripts.


EDIT: babylonsister has the Media Matters link in post #5

[crim son]

29. Yes, but I appreciate your link as well.

Thanks.

[meegbear]

22. If he didn't make it thru bootcamp, he wouldn't be a soldier

[crim son]

31. True. The freeper is under the impression that the fellow

presented himself as a soldier.

[BushOut06]

26. You can't expect a freeper to think for himself - your friend is a perfect example of that

They're buying Rush's spin, and this has now become standard RW talking points. The fact is, he was agreeing with a caller who was referring to anti-war soldiers as "phony soldiers". He was NOT singling out Jesse Macbeth, or the people who were arrested for filing for bogus Veteran's benefits.

[crim son]

30. The reason I'm asking the question is because this freeper does

think for himself. He was giving me examples of how both repukes and dems twist the facts to suit their mood, and for the dems he used the Limbaugh example.

Anyhow, I'm checking out the link now. Thanks for your response.

[rasputin1952]

33. He is trying to cover for his own inept words...

Basically, he was stating that those who did not agree w/the war are "phony soldiers". He used the one individual as a "sure fire" way to press his point. But he blew it. He had the show edited that went to AFR, and he is backpedaling and seriously defensive at this point.

He blew it, and he knows it. From what I have been told, he spent almost his entire 3 hours yesterday on this point, which tells me he knows he's in deep stuff.

The truth of the matter is, the individual cited had made it through 44 days of Basic Training before being discharged; he lied about being a Ranger or a Corporal, as well as service in Iraq. Limbaugh took it further, implying that anyone in uniform that did not agree w/the administration, (or him), was a "phony soldier".

Since Limbaugh never served, I find it somewhat disgusting that he could say things like that.

[immoderate]

46. Amazing that someone who boasts "excellence in broadcasting..."

...can be so misunderstood. :shrug:

--IMM

[rasputin1952]

52. He's been losing listeners for years, I'm acutally surprised he

has many left. I don't think his #'a are anywhere near wht he boasts them as. I catch him for a few minutes on local, driving to the store or classes, so I guess I can be counted a "listener", but I have yet to hear anything I could call believable.

On thos erare occasions wher ehe comesup in conversation, I have heard only negativce connotations, and I'm here in Nebraska...central to the Red States. Most people find him akin to a snake-oil salesman, but they seem to like Glenn Beck! That is damn near as bad!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

35. You could start that that one soldier (not plural) is not at issue

The transcript and its context are uneqivocally clear. Rush was talking about soldiers, not one soldier, i.e. Jesse McBeth, who did not come up in Rush's dialogue that day until after the "phony soldier" remark. The context was Rush was talking with a caller about how liberals prop up "phony soldiers" to argue against the war. That clearly implies Rush was saying liberals are using the soldiers, and that any disenting soldiers are too dumb to have their own opinion and are simply naive and allow themselves to be used, and thus they are not honorable enough to be authentic soldiers and instead deserve to be called "phony soldiers." That is beyond a doubt what Rush was saying.

Jesse McBeth has nada to do with any of this. I and most other people on the left had never heard of Jesse McBeth until Rush Limbaugh brought this up.

[Bitwit1234]

36. Tell the guy bullshit that's rush spin

he said any soldier who came home and supported the war was a phony soldier. Now "came" home. Came home from where. I'll find the quote and who he said it about and post it.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

37. To summarize the situation: Rush had a caller, a soldier, who was against the war. Rush made a

statement about "phony soldiers" in response to this soldier's call which was clearly a reference to soldiers who thought as this soldier did, i.e. who were not on the Bush/Rush "program", meaning that any soldier who thought this way was not a true or real soldier, or that they were actually phony meaning they were only pretending to be a soldier, because no actual soldier could possibly think this way.

Having been called on this outrageous statement, Rush has since tried to falsify and distort the matter saying he was only referring to Jesse MacBeth, who was in fact a "phony" soldier (i.e. he didn't serve), but examination of the record, like at the mediamatters links in this thread, clearly show that he (Rush) is lying and simply trying to cover his ass.

[Crabby Appleton]

38. the clip I heard jess macbeth was mentioned by name

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth

there were threads all over the blogs about macbeth earlier this year, with many former soldiers - including threads here at DU - questioning macbeth's story.

[crim son]

40. They've documented the hell out of that page, haven't they?

It really only serves war supporters when somebody like Macbeth is unmasked.

[Enrique]

48. he was unmasked immediately

no mainstream media picked up on his story, and only the most stupid of antiwar blogs believed it either. Debunked immediately.

[crim son]

49. I haven't followed it

but I believe you. Unfortunately the story is out there and wouldn't be if this fellow hadn't been a liar.

[leftofthedial]

43. the Limp one clearly was talking about ALL and ANY soldiers

who do not support the bush cabal's military agenda.

This includes, but is not limited to, the guy who was a fraud. He directed his "phony" accusation at *soldiers*, plural, not *soldier*, singular, during a discussion with a caller of the large number of soldiers in general who are quoted in the media as being critical of the "mission" in Iraq. The caller and Limpballs agreed that there were many of these quoted in the media, but that they did not represent the true feelings of our military. Drugboy said that all these critics are "phony soldiers."

Later, he edited out the part of the call that made it clear they were talking about many such critics and re-aired a selected quote out of context (in which he still said *soldiers*, plural, BTW). His army of idiots use the edited version to try to make the case that he was talking only about the one fraud.

In the past, he has used this same "phony" accusation against Kerry, Murtha, Cleland, the Iraq Veterans for Peace and other current and former veterans who are critics of the neocon agenda. It is a long-term and consistent pattern for him. He was just stupid enough to do it while the "Betray Us" controversy was focusing on media attacks on members of the military.

Was the freeper in your OP your repuke boyfriend?

[crim son]

44. Yes.

We were talking about how both sides are capable of bending the truth to fit their respective needs, and he brought up this example. He was not any better informed than I am, but had listened to - ugh - Glenn Beck's take on the issue. My method with the guy is not to argue but to present him with the "alternative" facts and let him make up his own mind. So far, he's as much a democrat as you and me, but he doesn't know it & he gets his information from the wrong sources. He's bright enough not to respond well to "Well, Rush was no soldier" which is true but rather irrelevant.

[baldguy]

45. In determining the level of patriotism a person has what matters to Rush

Isn't whether a person put on the uniform. It isn't if that person has served honorably. It isn't a matter of where or in what capacity that person served.

What matters to Rush and his apologists is whether or not that person is a Republican. It's nothing short of a political loyalty test for members of our armed services.

When a person joins the army, he doesn't take an oath to serve George Bush; he doesn't take an oath to serve the interests of the Republican party. He takes an oath to protect & defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign & domestic. Someone who puts a political party ahead of his country is an enemy of that country.

[Enrique]

47. he wasn't talking about Jesse Macbeth

he was talking about all soldiers who speak out on the war.

The Jesse Macbeth thing is a smokescreen.

[gauguin57]

51. Our country is falling apart and congress is wasting time (and the tax dollars we pay them with)

... piddling around with this kind of CRAP. Support Limbaugh resolutions and that ilk.

I am so sick of Congress. So. Sick.