Hillary: someone please explain

[BoneDaddy]

to me the feedback I am getting from the MSM. They have her in the lead by 33% points yet she creates practically virtual fistfights in here between the vast majority of DUers and other Democratic message boards I have been to, not to mention most democrats I know (I work in education in the Northeast...HUGE Dem base) would rather choose another candidate than her.

How is she possibly garnering the support that she has when contrary to my own personal experience in a HUGE BLUE area, she gets so little support?

Living in a very blue state and working in a very blue industry she is highly highly contested yet she is seen as having an enormous lead among Democrat. I do not get it.

[BlooInBloo]

1. It's easy to understand, once you appreciate that DU is in NO WAY representative of "Democrats"...

... It might very well be the case that DU *should be*, but in actual fact IT ISN'T.

Also, DUers are highly susceptible to suggestion from republicans. If republicans hate something, DUers have a tendency to wring their hands about it too. Clinton, MoveOn ads, etc

[BoneDaddy]

4. Bloo

I understand that DU is not representative of the mainstream Dem, that is why I included my own personal observations. I don't like Hillary, nor do I hate her. I just do not think she is a viable candidate and will remind everyone of that when she loses the presidential election (assuming her ride to the top continues). I am speaking of my experience among a very mainstream democratic pool that shows the opposite of the MSM...seems very strange to me.

[robinlynne]

6. No it shouldn't be. It should be representative of progressives, including democrats,

as it says in the very first sentence of the rules.

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[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. Corporations are dedicating a LOT of money to promoting Senator Clinton.

The media are corporations.

[BoneDaddy]

5. I tend to see her in the same light

spot on.

[robinlynne]

3. I don't believe that lead. BBC says Hillary is being pushed by the republican party

in it's analysis today.

[BoneDaddy]

9. I think it is the shell game the BBC

is projecting. Think about it. She is a polarizing character to say the least. Much more so than Gore and Kerry. I find it totally bizarre that people think she can win as assuredly as they say she can and that is what concerns me.

[robinlynne]

16. shell game? I don't think she is a good candidate. not arguing that. I think

that I have recently seen polls do whatever the republicans wanted them to do. Remember all recent elections? The poll
results were changed at 2Am to show how Bush could have won ohio, the same thing with the congressional race in san diego where the republican took office. and many others. So I believe those polls serve purposes, not truth.

but what is a shell game? throwing out opinions on the table?

[BoneDaddy]

22. Sorry

I used an obscure term. A shell game is used by conmen to take your money. A coin, or another small object is placed on a table and is "shuffled" between three half shells or cups giving the illusion that the "prize" is under one of them. They then take your money.

By shell game I was reinforcing the BBC's view that the Republican party and it's corporate honchos are promoting a huge Hillary push among Dems securing her the Dem prez candidate knowing that she will be soundly defeated by a national vote.

Sorry for the confusion.

[robinlynne]

29. got it! and i think it is very possible.

[dragonlady]

25. Could it be that Republicans are calling themselves Dems for the pollster

and saying they prefer Hillary? Just a thought. I bring this up because we have an open primary here in Wisconsin and sometimes the Republicans vote on the Democratic side if they don't have an interesting race of their own. Of course they vote for the Dem they feel would be easiest to defeat. (I express no opinion on whether Democrats do the same.)

:kick:

[NC_Nurse]

8. I think that it's early and a lot of people

aren't paying that much attention yet. The people who actually care at this point are the
ones who care a LOT and are on on eside or the other.

I bet most people are really undecided. She has the most name recognition and the media has been
talking her up as a candidate for years.

Just my opinion, and I don't claim to have my finger on the pulse of this nation. Hell, most people are apparently
watching reality TV and care what's happening with Spears/Lohan/Hilton on a daily basis.

[BoneDaddy]

12. Sounds reasonable

in that this may change over time.

[robinlynne]

10. quote from BBC world news article:

The strategy behind the "Clintonisation" of the Republican race seems clear.

As they fight for the attention of their somewhat dispirited, primary voting base, what better name for the candidates to drop than that of the most polarising Democratic opponent?

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton
Clinton's raucous laughter risks coming back to haunt her

And by crowning Hillary Clinton often enough, they seem to be willing her over the finishing line; setting up a contest which they believe offers them the best chance of victory.

[BoneDaddy]

13. Not to be a conspiracy theorist

but given what kind of shady shit that has been going on for quite some time...that sounds very very plausible.

[ElizabethDC]

11. I think it just depends on who you know

I know supporters of every candidate (except Gravel), and the majority of people I know are Hillary supporters. The polls are pretty reflective of the Democrats I know.

[BoneDaddy]

15. Wow

may I ask where you live...generally of course and the circle of people that reflect that, cause the vast majority of Dems I know pick anyone but.

[BlooInBloo]

17. I live in Seattle. The polls align pretty well with people I talk to....

... Not counting DU, of course.

[BoneDaddy]

19. kk

well noted

[ElizabethDC]

21. I live in Florida and in DC

I'm from FL but I go to school in DC. Almost all Dems I know in FL are Hillary supporters - a few for Edwards, too. That includes pretty much people of all ages (e.g. I'm in my 20s, and my mom's in her 50s so between the two of us, we know a pretty broad range of people.)

I go to school in DC with people from all over the country. Most people I know here are for Hillary, although there are many Obama supporters too, and a few people spread among the other candidates.

[BoneDaddy]

23. kk

well noted...ty for the input

[Trisket-Bisket]

14. Perhaps you need to get out more.

The working class is being destroyed and the favor a candidate that can defend them.

Look for the stairs in your ivory tower.

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Hillary's Supporters Are Your Garden Variety Democrats

Clinton's lead among African-Americans has widened by 9 percentage points, to 62%-34%.

Clinton's edge among those 65 and older has grown by 9 points, her strongest age group.

Clinton's strongest and most consistent support is among blue-collar workers. Those with annual household incomes of $30,000 or less prefer Clinton over Obama by 70%-27%, and her lead is nearly as big among people with a high-school education or less.


Obama's support among the most affluent Americans has grown by 9 points, making it the only major demographic group in which he doesn't trail Clinton.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007...

[mourningdove92]

24. Hillary has more supporters than those here at DU seem to

realize. She IS a viable candidate.

The RW have spent the last 15 years demonizing her, accusing her, throwing everything in the book at her, and she is still standing and leading in the polls. They have already hit her with their best shot, many times. She didn't crack, she didn't whine, she simply fought back.

I fear that some are buying into the RW mantras that she is too polarizing, that she will energize the RW base, etc, etc.

However, everywhere I go, I find Hillary supporters. For clarification, I live in Texas. I have recently begun sporting my Hillary for President hat, I have a Hillary pin attached to the outside of my purse and a Hillary bumper sticker on my car.

Thus far, I have received nothing but supportive comments from the public around me. So far, not one person has made a critical comment. Lots of thumbs ups.

In Texas.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. She Will Flat Out Eviscerate Any Repubican

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[Richard Steele]

34. Maybe, but she sure won't defeat any in an ELECTION. That's why the RW is pushing her nomination.

In what world is nominating the MOST DISLIKED
woman in the nation a winning strategy?

That's "wishful thinking" stretched to the point of madness.

[depakid]

27. This poll result is absurd

It's yet another attempt by the corporate media to influence public opinion though dishonesty and bogus methodology- and it doesn't reflect public opinion or reality.

Bottom libe is that people are being conned. Again. You'd think by now they'd know better- because it couldn't be more obvious.

[mitchtv]

28. Name recognition , firstly

and most of the Dems I know want Clinton back , and if they can't have him, they'll take Hillary Half my family is hispanic, in laws who don't follow MSM news, mostly they want Hillary She is not my favorite, but is better than any... ANY, republican, and most Dems wre sick of Chimpy and are unfamiliar with the losing candidates. She will not get my vote in the Calif primary.

[1620rock]

30. BoneDaddy. why must you call someone on this board an asshole?

[mitchtv]

32. you're not posting to me

I presume

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Bone Daddy Called Some Poster An Asshole

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[mitchtv]

35. that could be anyone

who doesn't hate Hillary

[BlooInBloo]

36. I don't recall, but it was likely me. I get that a lot. (grin)

[BoneDaddy]

38. That is what you are focusing on?

gimme a break

[BoneDaddy]

37. When they accuse me

of being in an "ivory tower" when they have no fucking clue who I am is the reason. You have to ask that?