If Senator Clinton does win the primary,

[mourningdove92]

and I believe she will, those of you who do not like her should consider the alternative.

In 2004, John Kerry was not my choice. But when he became our nominee, I campaigned for him and voted for him.

Whoever gets the Dem nomination, gets my vote. I want an end to Republican rule.

I think she will make a great president. So would Barack Obama and John Edwards. I have no problem voting for any of them.

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[skipos]

3. Or write yourself in. Now THERE is a candidate you will agree with on all the issues. nt

[NanceGreggs]

14. Nah, doesn't work ...

I wrote myself in back in '04. In the middle of a major debate, turned out I disagreed with myself on a number of key issues.

I wound up spending a huge chunk of my campaign funds Swiftboating myself, and the rest of the money went into ads defending myself.

And it started out as such a simple plan ...

[Orsino]

29. I disagree.

On principle. This is DU, after all.

[RB TexLa]

34. I'm sure there are a few that after writing themselves in will determine

that their candidate was still too much of a shill for something.

[Virginia Dare]

37. I'm too much of a media whore myself....n/t

[mitchtv]

12. equals a republican vote

[Tesha]

26. No, at worst it equals *HALF* a Republican vote.

The vote you don't cast for one of the two major
parties' candidates can be mathematically construed
as either *NO VOTE* for either party or half a vote
for each party.

Tesha

[Freddie Stubbs]

13. How well did that work our for the Nader voters in 2000?

Not a dime's worth of difference, right?

[Tesha]

27. Looking at the 2006 Congress, I'd say, no, not a dimes' worth of difference. (NT)

[Freddie Stubbs]

36. Minimum wage increase, SCHIP expansion

No difference at all?

[bellasgrams]

22. Yep, just like Nader was. Smart move.

[UTUSN]

2. THINK about it!!1 *Any* Dem (look at the 2nd row) is better than ANY Rethug!!1

[Tesha]

30. See, that's where you're wrong.

A Democratic candidate who moves the party farther rightwards
only manages to make the Democrats less and less appealing to
the *VAST MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE*
who hold democratic views, whether they know that or not.

The great difficulty that the Democrats have had since about
1980 is that they've 1) been ashamed of what they stand for
and 2) allowed their light to be hidden under a bushel. And
candidates like Clinton and Clinton have only helped accelerate
both of those faults. These candidates have driven the party
farther and farther rightwards which is exactly the wrong
direction.

When you nominate someone who truly stands proudly for
democratic (small-d) values, you won't have to plead with me
to support them; instead, I'll *KNOW* that I should work my
tail off for them.

Otherwise, take the loss and also, *FINALLY*, take the
lesson that nominated a might-as-well-be-a-Republican
(in fact, *WAS* a Republican!) candidate is a losing
strategy for the Democrats.

Tesha

[Trisket-Bisket]

4. I think most Democrats agree.

There are however many malcontents and soreheads that whine and complain no matter what happens. But because we are Democrats we have open minds and give them their say.

[alittlelark]

9. uh, yeah.....

"we...."

[ulysses]

5. if Senator Clinton does win the primary,

at least the left won't have to change out of the protest clothes. Bill taught us that.

I want an end to conservative rule.

[alittlelark]

6. You are being told she will win by all MSM outlets

Why discourage yourself by believing that?

I will Plug my nose and vote for her after I canvass for her and donate $$$ - IF she is the candidate.

She has the $$$ but she DOES NOT have the base.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. These People Sound Like The Base

Clinton's lead among African-Americans has widened by 9 percentage points, to 62%-34%.

Clinton's edge among those 65 and older has grown by 9 points, her strongest age group.

Clinton's strongest and most consistent support is among blue-collar workers. Those with annual household incomes of $30,000 or less prefer Clinton over Obama by 70%-27%, and her lead is nearly as big among people with a high-school education or less.




http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007 ...

[alittlelark]

15. She is the only one they hear about.

Richardson would resonate w/ minorities (and everyone else) IF his voice was heard.

Edwards would have MANY converts IF his voice was heard.


Kucinich could win the primary IF his voice was heard


Obama is a great VP for any of the above, but too inexperienced for the presidency (I determined that 1 month ago and stopped donating to him.



The 1st 3 get no coverage, the 4th gets coverage because he is telegenic.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Edwards Was The VP Candidate In 04

I think his voice is heard...

I do agree with you on the lesser candidates...

That being said there is an enormous amount of affection for the Clintons among down scale voters, African Americans, and older folks... I don't think it would be that easy to dislodge;

Its akin to having the last name Kennedy in some ways;especially in the 60's and 70's...

[alittlelark]

17. My dad in NM didn't even know he was running until a few weeks ago

He is not senile, and watches CNN for his news. He watches golf more than news (Still, he's not senile), but did not know Edwards was in the race.

[Virginia Dare]

39. Does he read the newspaper?

I guess maybe they don't publish pictures of the Democratic debates there? That's really odd.

[Virginia Dare]

40. I think she probably does, you just don't see it here...

I think there are a lot of Democrats who would like to see the Clintons take their final revenge on everything that the right wing has done to them, and continues to do to this day. They are literally obsessed with them. I admit, there's a part of me that would love to see freeper heads explode everywhere if she won. According to today's Washington Post, both Clintons remain very popular among Democrats as a whole.

I think she'll be an okay to good President, probably no better or worse than her husband, or she might really surprise us, who knows. Actually, I would expect she'd be a little better. That doesn't mean that will sway me to go out and vote her in the primary though.

[BlooInBloo]

7. I'm not terribly happy about it, but I won't hesitate for even a heartbeat to vote for her....

EDIT: Or whomever the nominee is. Even Moonbeam McCrazypants.

[Nimrod2005]

8. Don't worry, she is not going to be there...She is not winning anything.

[mitchtv]

11. sure she won't

Hmmm hmmm

[Tesha]

31. She'll win the NH Primary because we have, essentially, an open primary...

She'll win the NH Primary because we have, essentially,
an open primary and all those undeclared voters (who
are really closeted Republicans) will take Democratic
primary ballots and vote for her, knowing full well
that she's a likely loser in the General Election.

Tesha

[Rockholm]

41. So why would those undeclareds...

"if" they are republicans as you assert, spend their precious vote voting for in the Democratic primary when they should be voting in the republican primary, determining their real desires? It would seem to me that if they really wanted Ghouliani, they would do their best to vote for him as opposed to Hillary.
I do understand the most of Joe LIEberman's support came in the general election from republicans.

[Tesha]

42. They don't care as much who wins their primary.

I'll admit, the effect is more striking in years when there's
no race on the Republican side. For example, in 2004, they
*ALL* came over into our party to vote for Kerry-the-loser;
it was pretty funny to see yobs in full camo gear coming
into the polls and taking Democratic ballots: "Yeah, sure,
he's a Democrat, and I've certainly seen him down at
campaign headquarters tons of times!"

But the "undeclareds" probably don't care so much who wins
the Republican primary (because, well, they're assured of
a Republican winner) but they sure do like to make sure
that the winner of the Democratic primary is either:

o As close to a Republican as they can get,

o A sure loser in the General Election, or

o Preferably, both.

Hillary is a two-fer ;).

Tesha

[madrchsod]

18. if?

she already has

[alittlelark]

21. STOP listening to their Mind Games

ALL MSM outlets have told us she is the winner 3-7 months before VOTING??!!?!?



Why-TF are you listening to them

[Elidor]

19. I've been asked to consider the alternative all my life

And I'm finally considering the alternative. Without adequate representation of what a majority in this country considers to be indicative of sanity, I'm at a loss as to why I should continue to promise my vote to a party that uses me as cynically as possible and ignores the 800-lb. elephant in the room, (except in certain specific cases like Waxman and Conyers).

The party is for the people, not the people for the party. And the party has forgotten that. And so have a lot of people on DU.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. If she wins in the primary I will be VERY SURPRISED

since it will go against all patterns in previous elections when early leaders don't do well

Can you say Howard Dean? I knew you could... he's the latest to be crowned only to fall

[Tesha]

32. She'll win in NH. See my reply #31, above.

[monmouth]

23. Time to keep an eye on Joe Biden, he's movin' on up!!

[ladyVet]

24. I don't know if she'll be the nominee,

and she certainly isn't my choice*, but the way things are now, I will vote for Hillary over any Repuke. I don't think Hillary is the best we could get, but looking at how the media works, she's the best we're going to get this time around. Myself, my top three candidates would be: 1) Al Gore 2) Dennis Kuchinch 3) John Edwards.


*I feel so odd writing that! I'm almost 50 years old, and how I dreamed of having a viable woman candidate running for president!

[NC_Nurse]

25. Why do we have to talk about this NOW?

It's over a year until the election and those of us who don't want Hillary would like you to not SHOVE her down our throats, fer Pete's sake!
Can we wait until the primary is over and THEN start talking about whether or not we will vote for the nominee? I'm sure most will support
whoever wins, based on the awful alternatives. That doesn't make it any more pleasant to hear about it at this stage - it's just annoying.

[Orsino]

28. Unfortunately, I agree.

I hate that * has so lowered the bar on presidentin' that even Hillary looks great compared to him. I hate that the GOP can't find a candidate I'd even consider. It's tragic that all a Dem has to do is look better than the republican crooks to be guaranteed my vote.

Such a state of affairs does not make me hopeful for the eventual performance of said Dem.

[Totally Committed]

33. No.

Respectfully, no.

2004 was my swan-song for voting AGAINST the other Party, for the lesser evil. Either I am given a candidate by this Party that I can feel proud to vote for, and whom I KNOW will represent ALL Americans, or I either don't vote, or write in another name.

The DLC SUCKS! -- Hillary Clinton will never get my vote. The Kerry candidacy and resulting concession debacle was the nail in the coffin for me.

Never again.

TC

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. If Senator Clinton does win the primary,

There shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth...

[Virginia Dare]

38. don't forget self flagellation and beating of chests...

but in the end, faced with the stark reality of the alternative, the vast majority of the "true" Democrats will go out and vote for her. I know I will.

[Tesha]

43. Only among real Democrats. Republicans will rejoice! "Mission Accomplished!" (NT)

[mitchtv]

44. and crybabies

will go away, probably to the Green Party (totally owned GOP subsidiary)

[Tesha]

49. Whatever you say, but you'll whine about us when we're gone. (NT)

[dkofos]

45. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A CORPORATIST REGUARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME!!

[MyNameGoesHere]

46. AND I WILL NEVER SURRENDER MY CAPS LOCK! n/t

[dkofos]

47. hA-Ha

[marlakay]

48. Big fucking difference between her and John

number one, he has great environmental policies. number two even though he came off stiff in his speeches I agree with what he stands for most of the time.

now Hillary, Iran vote, corporate kiss ass...sorry but after I read the latest vanity fair article and what she and Bill did to Al, I wouldn't vote for her to save us from republicans.

Because in my mind she isn't much different...

No I will be doing a write in to Al and I don't give a shit if my vote that never seems to count anyway is thrown away...

and don't worry I won't be around to diss on your lady if she wins the primary, I will be doing environmental work and staying out of political blogs after that.

As far as I am concerned, if our country is stupid enough to vote for Bush and then Hillary, go fuck them, they deserve what they will get.