The Hillary-haters are beating me down. The sexism is rampant.

[Beausoir]

The sexist "nut-cracker" jokes. The sexist "cackle" jokes. The sexist "cleavage" jokes.

I haven't decided who I will vote for in the primary, BUT...the hate-speech here on DU toward Senator Clinton is really astonishing.

[Clovis Sangrail]

1. are all anti Hillary people sexist?

or do you think you might look for that in their comments?

[pnwmom]

5. Of course not. But a lot of them are. n/t

[Clovis Sangrail]

6. Is saying somebody 'cackles' sexist? n/t

[paulk]

15. it definitely could be seen that way

it's a word with a negative connotation that is associated with the female gender, as in a hen cackling after laying an egg.

[Clovis Sangrail]

25. interesting. I've really never seen it that way.

I've been told I cackle for years... and I'm a guy.

I think a lot of sexist connotations (or any negative connotations for that matter) are based more in what the listener wants or expects to hear rather than what the speaker intended.

[jgraz]

31. Try googling for "He cackled"

You get about 34,500 hits. Sounds like a generally used term to me.

[pnwmom]

54. Try reading the dictionary.

Most definitions say it's the sound a hen makes (often adding, "after laying an egg.")

And I'm sure you know the sound is also associated with witches.

It's clearly sexist to use that word to describe a woman's laugh. And in Hillary's case, it's especially inappropriate, because she has a full, deep laugh. Anything but a cackle.

[Clovis Sangrail]

60. a 'faggot' is also a bundle of sticks

the definition you find in the dictionary doesn't necessarily represent how a word/phrase is actually used.

I think finding that many references to 'he cackled' shows that the actual usage of the word has gone beyond that definition.

[jgraz]

62. Where does the dictionary say that it's "clearly sexist"

Or did you just put that in there because the definition included a female animal?

Generally, people who have to use the dictionary to defend their use of language don't really know how to use language.

[pnwmom]

72. Yes. People who are being sexist often compare women to female animals.

Cows, bitches, etc. Using the word "cackle" to describe a woman's laugh is along the same lines.

(I wasn't using the dictionary to defend my use of language, but in a probably hopeless effort to educate you. Oh well.)

[Clovis Sangrail]

79. so comparing somebody to an animal is sexist?

everybody who calls Bush a chimp must be sexist then

o.0

[jgraz]

87. So if I say Britney Spears really "laid an egg" in her comeback, is that sexist?

How about "what's good for the goose is good for the gander"? Sexist?

Now is it just female poultry that gets you all riled up, or can it be any female animal? "Tigress on the campaign trail"? I know: bad.

Or could it be any animal at all? "Busy as a beaver"? "Happy as a pig in a poke"? I guess all that's gotta go.

So, the only acceptable way to make a comparison is to say something like "When Hillary laughs, she sounds as evil and psychotic as a...woman." Wow, that's much better.

Thanks for the education! :hi:

[aquart]

107. Exactly. Deliberately demeaning word choice.

Reminds me of the Dean "scream". That anyone here BUYS this propaganda is just so...disappointing.

[jgraz]

141. Yes, deliberately demeaning. NOT SEXIST, but deliberately demeaning

Seriously, have you not watched a polticial campaign before? What's more disappointing is people who buy Hillary's contrived attempt to laugh off valid criticism and then attack anyone who points out the obvious.

[aquart]

152. Uh, what is obvious to you, dear?

[Romulox]

154. DEMEANING A WOMAN FOR HER BAD BEHAVIOR IS NOT SEXIST

Sorry for yelling, but this should be an obvious point.

[silverojo]

116. Men CACKLE. Women GIGGLE.

Are you Hillary-pushers getting so desperate, that you have to pull out the "sexism" card this early in the game?

I'm a woman, and I'd love to see a woman president. Just not Hillary, because I fear she's going to launch a similar attack on poor people, just as her husband did with "welfare reform".

[aquart]

108. You've been told you cackle?

Oh, you might want to wonder about that.

[paulk]

145. my post was based on researching the word in several

dictionaries,

and also looking into the etymology of "cackle".

Even putting partisanship aside, it's a hard argument to make to say that the word in this case was not meant to denigrate.

[jgraz]

27. On this board, using the word "the" can be seen as sexist.

:eyes:

[Common Sense Party]

33. Post of the day.

Of course, it depends on the definition of "the," doesn't it?

[jgraz]

35. No. It has the word "he" right in it, you misogynistic PIG

:rofl:

[Common Sense Party]

45. ooo, damn, you're RIGHT.

how about ts/he?

Or just te?

[mikelewis]

36. You bastard!

You sexy, sexy bastard.

[aquart]

109. Give examples.

Otherwise, you're trying to distract with your wit...oh, why say it.

[youthere]

137. Well, of course...it contains the word "he". Clearly asserting the

notion of masculine authority!:evilgrin:

[timtom]

122. Nah!

Witches cackle.

Evil men and women often cackle with glee.

[pnwmom]

55. Hens cackle. Witches cackle.

Yes, it's sexist when the word is used to describe a woman's laugh.

[jgraz]

65. Men cackle. Crows cackle. I'm cackling at you right now

The League of Concerned Women called. Your redacted dictionary should be delivered within the week.

[Clovis Sangrail]

69. well...

as I said, I've been told I cackle. For years.

If you think simply using that word to describe somebody's laugh is the mark of a sexist, you may want to consider a bit of introspection.

[pnwmom]

76. Her laugh is anything but shrill or broken. Since it is not a cackle,

the only reason to use the word to describe her laugh is to put her down.

[Clovis Sangrail]

80. It's stuccato and stilted

hence the descriptor cackle

[Richard Steele]

114. Describe it as you will, it's no substitute for ANSWERING THE QUESTION. We deserve better.

nm

[jgraz]

142. And, in your world, any put-down of Hillary is automatically sexist?

Of COURSE it's a put-down! It's meant as a put-down. We're making fun of her ridiculous attempt to shake off real questions. Are you trying to tell us that poking fun at a female candidate is out of bounds?

Complaining about people simply criticizing your candidate is a different argument than you started with. And one that's a lot harder to win without all the bogus cries about sexism.

[daninthemoon]

71. Give us another word, then. The staged laugh she is trying out is

grinding whatever you call it.

[pnwmom]

86. I was watching her on youtube recently,

and I noticed something that made her laugh not seem spontaneous. The viewer heard the interviewer ask the question, but then there was a delay while Hillary heard the question in her earpiece -- so there was a delay before she laughed, which made it seem not spontaneous. In reality, she laughed as soon as SHE heard the question, but it was AFTER we heard it.

Since this was the Chris Wallace interview -- and you know what a Rethug he is -- I had to wonder if this was much like the Dean scream. Remember how his screaming was played on TV, to make it sound like he was screaming all by himself rather than as part of a crowd? Chris Wallace could have told them to edit the segment properly, so that the listener didn't have to wait while Clinton silently heard the question (which made her subsequent laughter appear not to be spontaneous.) But he didn't.

We shouldn't fall for this kind of trick. They're getting better and better at making our candidates look bad, and we have to get smarter about catching them.

[daninthemoon]

88. She did it on the other Sunday show, too.

[pnwmom]

92. Or they did it to her. n/t

[MADem]

112. I haven't heard the term applied to many males, now that I think of it.

Cackling kinda goes with the obligato 'Attila the Hen' snark that comes up when discussing a forceful female.

[roguevalley]

153. I have issues problems with her and I've been kicked as a hillary

hater. buncha shit, you ask me.

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. Once the naderesq owned-by-corporations thing got stale

it's the best they can do.

[aquart]

110. Noticed that. did you? Me, too.

Not that we won't hear both of them to infinity and beyond.

[jgraz]

3. Don't forget the over-the-top hysterical language-policing concern trolls

Oh wait...that would be you.

[pnwmom]

4. I agree, Beausoir. And the irony is, she wasn't my top candidate,

but every time I see someone attack her unfairly, I warm to her a little more.

[Recursion]

28. And every time another soldier, Marine, or Iraqi dies...

...I cool to her a little more again.

[pnwmom]

46. What difference would it have made if she voted against the Oct. 2002 IWR?

Bush would still have had his IWR -- an even worse one.

The reason the Dems negotiated with the Rethugs on the IWR in October was that it was already clear that the Rethugs were going to be controlling the Senate in January. If the compromise IWR was defeated in October, Bush's preferred version -- which would also have allowed him to attack Iraq or anywhere else without further approval -- would have been approved by the new majority in January.

So if the Dems voted against the IWR in October, they would have had to sit helplessly by and watch an even worse IWR be approved in January. Some choice.

[Lerkfish]

49. capitulation to a tyrant is not leadership, or even admirable

better to stand up to one and lose, else every battle thereafter is lost.

as we are now seeing in congress every day.

[pnwmom]

61. If the Dems had followed your advice we'd be in Iran already.

Bush would have gotten his preferred IWR -- the one that would have allowed him to attack Iraq, Iran, anywhere in the middle east (or, according to Chuck Hagel, the world) that he wanted. And there is no doubt he would have taken advantage of the blank check the Rethugs were ready to give him.

I'm glad HRC and most Dems were more pragmatic.

[Lerkfish]

77. two things: 1. we will be in Iran anyways, so your point is moot, and 2.

I fail to see the logic of how giving someone a blank check to invade is a better way to stop them from invading than actually stopping them from invading.

[babylonsister]

103. Lerkfish, just so you know, I love you. A lot.

:D :pals:

[Lerkfish]

119. thanks, right back at ya

:hug:

[pnwmom]

104. We couldn't stop them from invading.

There was NOTHING we could do with a Republican majority and a Republican President.

All we could do was try to mitigate the damage by agreeing with them on a compromise bill that limited the attack to Iraq.

[Lerkfish]

120. and how well did that work out for us, eh?

how was the attack "limited"? I saw no limits. I saw "shock and awe".

so the strategy you're defending was completely ineffectual. That's not a surprise. The surprise is how you can defend it with a straight face.

[pnwmom]

123. It wasn't ineffectual. It's the reason why we haven't invaded Iran

to this date, or any other country in the middle east. The only question is whether Bush will disregard it and strike Iran anyway.

[Lerkfish]

132. I can answer that question for you.

"The only question is whether Bush will disregard it and strike Iran anyway."

the answer is yes.

so, remind me again, why do we keep dealing with him as if he were honorable or civilized?

[Downtown Hound]

102. So, use of the word cackle when describing Hillary Clinton's laugh

is sexist, but jumping on the bandwagon for a war that has caused the death of hundreds of thousands is pragmatism.

Ok, I got it.

[Lerkfish]

121. yea, its "gender bad, carnage good"

[Clovis Sangrail]

75. I think the saying is

"better to die on your feet than live on your knees"

[Lerkfish]

78. yes, thank you.

there are a lot of knee pads in DC at the moment.

[daninthemoon]

73. Why do I remember Hilary saying it was necessary to take out

Sadaam? She got what she voted for.

[pnwmom]

105. Link please.

[jgraz]

146. LINK??? Are you telling us you support her and you haven't even SEEN her IWR speech?

Seriously, asking for a link on so basic a piece of information is like throwing the gun at someone once you've run out of bullets. If you are truly that uninformed about Hillary's record, you can always go to The Google.

[riverdeep]

96. If it was such a good idea at the time,

why does she say she wouldn't have voted for it now?

Some opposition party you want. Give them what they want, before they ask for more.

[mikelewis]

50. Just 1580 more dead Americans and we get the White House!!!! Yeah!!!!

Think about it...

It's Oct. 4th

In one month it'll be one year away to the election....

so...

365 + 30 = 395

Now, we're losing about 4 Americans a day in Iraq on average so multiply that...

You get 1580... 1580 more dead American's in the "Republican" Iraq war and We get the White House...

And since no one wants to hold anyone accountable... we also get all that power Bush has claimed as his own... the Patriot Act, Warrantless Wiretaps, Torturing of Detainees... It's like a wet dream...

I only wish people gave a shit about the Iraqi's we're mostly responsible for killing... this could be something else we can hang around the neck of the Republican White House and Republican Controlled Con...

Shit... I mean Republican Manipulated Congress... yeah, that's the ticket. I only wish people cared about them and maybe we could lock up the Senate as well... ah, it is to dream.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

118. 1.2 million dead Iraqis, 4000 dead American Soldiers, eh

fuck em. Rightfully pissed off liberals are attacking poor widdle Hillawee. Save your goddamn sympathy for the victims of this woman's war.

[kysrsoze]

7. For many of us, it's not sexism. It's her CORPORATE-LOVING, ANTI-CONSTITUENT VOTING RECORD

That is why so many of us are so pissed off. Granted, some people have a really bad way of expressing it. Run Barbara Boxer and I'll pound the pavement for her.

[pnwmom]

64. Anti-constituent? That's funny, since her popularity rating is so high in NY.

Guess New Yorkers are just stupid.


:shrug:

[kysrsoze]

70. Well, you tell me how the credit bill benefitted her constituents?

Oh, guess you don't know how she votes, now do you? For that matter, let's also discuss her health care idea to FORCE people to pay already sky-high insurance premiums? Did she look into potential government oversight or administration of a shared health plan for everyone? No, she seeks to further the current profit-motivated, cost-plus, non-regulated way of doing the medical business. So again, how doe her ideas or votes benefit her constituents?

[pnwmom]

91. Her approval rating among constituents is 62%, disapproval only 36%.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=2fac5eca-e0c9-4374-bc34-3e0fdc98d0e7

And yes, I do know how she votes. 92% of the time she has taken a progressive position on the issues, which puts her to the left of 86 members of the Senate. You can find her voting record here.

www.progressivepunch.com

[ShortnFiery]

8. Too funny! Leave Hillary Alone!

She's got stuff! :rofl:

[Lerkfish]

9. wow

all I've seen are clinton supporters who refuse to answer policy or issue questions.
I haven't seen the sexism you refer to.

perhaps its only in your perception?

and while I have your attention:

Can you tell me why Clinton thinks voting for Kyl-Leiberman is a step towards diplomacy by labeling another country's army a terrorist organization?

or do you find that question too sexist, or full of hate speech?

[sniffa]

129. and amazingLy, no response to this

it may just get in the way their view that peopLe onLy disLike hiLLary because they're insecure men/traditionaL women.

:patriot:

[Richard Steele]

10. Hillary "supporters" are wearying- always bashing everyone else, never a reason to vote for her.

Always cherry-picking a few comments here and there so they
can break out their BROAD "Hillary-hater" bullshit-brush.

The comments about here here are no worse than the comments
about any other candidate; it's just that her fans have to
focus on them because there's NOTHING about her they actually
care to draw attention to.

[Lerkfish]

11. oh, wait, here's another sexist question for you:

since Clinton doesn't see us leaving Iraq until after 2013, how do your reconcile that with her rhetoric that she is anti-war, having voted for both the IWR and Kyl-Leiberman?
What would she do DIFFERENTLY from Bush if elected? What direction would her diplomacy take in order to reestablish diplomatic ties with previous allies who have been rebuffed by the current administration?

is that sexist enough for you, or do you want to answer it?

[jgraz]

16. LEAVE HILLARY ALONE!!!

SHE'S A HUMAN BEING!!!!

[Lerkfish]

39. lol! but the seth green version was better on the soup.

:)

you should start a new thread, just titled "leave Hillary alone!" with that picture.


oh wait, there's already 34 threads today doing the same thing.

[tyedyeto]

82. Why? She's voted time and again for the Iraq War.

Yes, she's a human being but doesn't seem to care for those human beings who are Iraqui's. If she did, she'd be voting much differently in the Senate.

[mikelewis]

18. You may have to be tazered for asking these sort of questions...

This is America after all... questions must be civil and comfortable to answer.

[Lerkfish]

23. Don't taze me, bro! I was just asking about foreign policy! I didn't know I had to use hate speech

omigod! think of the kittens!

[mikelewis]

34. Next time....

Consult the list of acceptable questions to ask a Democrat...

1.) Gee, you guys are swell. How'd you get to be so swell?

2.) Gee, you gals are swell. How'd you get to be so swell?

Anything else is considered "bad form".

[jgraz]

42. Sorry, still bad form. You need to use these words

1.) Gee, you guys are swell. How'd you get to be so swell?

2.) Gee, you women are absolutely fulfilling your potential despite this medieval male dominated society. How'd you get to absolutely fulfill your potential despite this medieval male dominated society?

3.) Meat is murder.

[Lerkfish]

43. "no, dude, YOU"RE meat" -- favorite movie line

[Beausoir]

12. Clearly, the hatred for Hillary trumps all. As evidenced by the responses in this thread.

I am astonished at the level of hatred toward Hillary Clinton at DU.

[Lerkfish]

17. I"ve reread the thread twice now. where in this thread is anyone using hate speech?

please point it out.

[Beausoir]

24. Wow...you are really quick on the trigger regarding Senator Clinton.

Way to go!

[Lerkfish]

29. yeah, those rational questions on her foriegn policy rationale really is

sexist and trigger happy.

are you afraid to answer them?

:rolleyes:

[tyedyeto]

84. Please answer... where's the 'hate speech'?

[rusty quoin]

32. I thought the post was a joke, myself.

[Lerkfish]

38. truly it IS a joke, the question is whether its an intentional one or not.

[daninthemoon]

19. Did you forget the "satire" smilie?

[jgraz]

22. Trust me, it's funnier without it

:rofl:

[blonndee]

52. Which responses, specifically? n/t

[Richard Steele]

115. As opposed to "reasons to vote for her", of which there is no evidence whatsoever.

That's all you Hillary-fans ever do: Flame and smear people
who don't support her.

When it comes to ACTUAL REASONS to support her, you got NOTHING.
Not a single POSITIVE to back up your Hillary-fanaticism, just
assloads of crap you dump on anyone who dares ask why she's destined
to win.

[mikelewis]

13. I wouldn't be sexist against her if she weren't a woman...

Like that's my fault? It's not like she doesn't have enough money to get the "operation". Hell, she could even just use a strap-on for all I care; just as long as she has a penis... That's why I won't vote for her. You really found me out on this one... here I was hoping people would think I just didn't agree with her policies.

[jgraz]

20. Well, in fairness, being a woman is probably the last firm decision she made

Everything else is still waiting on polling results

[mikelewis]

21. Touche!

[ShortnFiery]

41. ...

:rofl:

I bow to the master! :patriot: :hi:

[Lerkfish]

14. OH! OH! here's another question for you...

In light of Big PHarma and Insurance lobby donations to her campaign, how will she reassure citizens that she will look out for their interests if she has to come up against either industry?

[jgraz]

144. How can you be so sexist?

Everyone knows that WOMEN use drugs and have insurance, so CLEARLY you are a misogynist asshole.

In fact, my DOG is female, and I have to give her DRUGS occasionally. You might as well just come right out and call Hillary a bitch, you pig!!



:P

[blonndee]

26. Wah Wah Wah. I don't need any sexist comments to know Hillary SUX. And neither do you. n/t

[mikelewis]

30. Hmmm...

Nope... gonna leave that one alone.

[illinoisprogressive]

37. It is not sexist. I am a woman...

[Beausoir]

40. Lesson learned.

I may vote for her...I may not.

I learned my lesson. There are people on DU who thrive on hating her. There are sexist pigs at DU.

None of that is a surprise.

I AM surprised at how viciously anti-Hillary people are.

Still..I will wait and see and I may vote for her.

Lesson learned. Stay out of any Hillary discussions until she is the nominee.

[Clovis Sangrail]

44. I don't think I saw any 'pigs' on this thread

I saw people reacting to being called pigs.

[jgraz]

57. Don't you get it? If you object to being called a pig, then you're a pig.

Only pigs who admit to they're true piggishness can ever be saved.

[Riktor]

99. Unless you're a pig sympathizer n/t

[Lerkfish]

47. I notice you never answered any of my questions.

I would also point out that if you're looking at this thread, and coming to that conclusion, your reality meter is broken.

[sniffa]

130. of course not

there are no answers... you sexist pig.

[daninthemoon]

48. Where exactly, specifically, are these "sexist" "vicious" threads?

:shrug:

[Lerkfish]

51. allegedly, you're soaking in one right now

according to the OP.

*looks around*

nope, still don't seen any hate speech or sexism, only people reacting to being called sexists.

[Beausoir]

56. Calling her a WHORE doesn't ring a bell with you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1972440#1972479

Start here, scroll up one and then keep reading.

Jesus.

[daninthemoon]

63. No, where in this thread you started. You say you are fed up with

the reaction you got right here.

[jgraz]

67. Another non-sexist word that the concern trolls keep appropriating

Joe Lieberman is a whore.
John Gibson is a whore.
Sean Hannity is a whore.
Jeff Gannon LITERALLY is a whore.

And, yeah, Hillary is a corporate whore.

[Riktor]

100. Context, man

She was called a "corporate whore"... as in, "one who panders to the interests of big business", not "one who sells one's body in the best interest of one's shareholders."

The term is not exclusively applied to women.

[never_get_over_it]

53. Well this Hillary "hater"

has waited all my life for a woman President - I can honestly say I don't remember one sexist comment about her in the things I've read on DU....of course that is not to say I have read it all but have read a lot of it....those of us who do not like her - have PLENTY of reasons other than her gender - believe me I would LOVE to support her - but I can't don't trust her and only find her marginally better than the repunks.....

and btw I don't hate her - but I do hate some of the things she has done or NOT done in the past several years....

now outside of DU I have to agree with you on the nut cracker thing and he cleavage jokes - not sure I agree on the cackle - because I can tell you that laugh is VERY STRANGE and I don't get it - oh I think some adviser probably told her to laugh it up more - it would make her seem warmer or some such shit - but actually some of the laughter has been COMPLETELY inappropriate - so maybe calling it a cackle is a bit sexist - and I would never refer to it as that - but "it" has struck me as very odd.....

[JVS]

58. The laughter isn't cackling, it's just stagey bullshit that's out of place

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o72Cq7AgjSQ
Totally fake

[Name removed]

59. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Tafiti]

66. I haven't seen any sexism, either.

Though I don't spend much time in GD threads. Not saying there hasn't been any, either.

I think the real point is that Hillary Clinton, regardless of gender, is the worst fucking candidate in the Democratic Party. I will, however, plug my nose and vote for her if she wins the nomination. That simply means that the Supreme Court is extremely important, and that's pretty much the only thing she can be trusted with. That's the long and short of it.

Oh, and by the way, she's horrible. :hi:

[alittlelark]

68. What board are you posting on? I've misses most of the 'japes'

But you are informing us of them...weirdo world.... gonna keep your name in note.

[leftofthedial]

74. I don't like her positions.

I don't care about her sex. Period. In fact, I *wish* she wasn't in reality a repuke. I'd *love* to vote for a Democratic woman for President.

[mikelewis]

83. I say we draft Elizabeth Edwards and have done with it...

[Lucinda]

111. Elizabeth rocks.

[cynatnite]

81. n/t

[mikelewis]

85. I've always wondered what n/t meant and have been too lazy to look it up...

[JVS]

89. I think it means nice tits. It's a very sexist thing to post

[mikelewis]

98. Actually, I do think Hillary does have n/t. Respectfully so, mind you.

She's an attractive woman... with a wicked smart brain to boot.

[cynatnite]

90. it means 'no text' in the body of the message

changed my mind about a comment I was going to add and deleted it.

[babylonsister]

93. Damn you! I do that to tell people 'don't click on it'! No TEXT!

After a very thoughtful, meaningful, life-affirming text I've posted!
:toast:

[weeve]

94. Just wait !

If Big Media and her ubiquitous corporate donors are able to buy her way into the nomination, then just wait for the fireworks to begin. You ain't see nothin' yet ! Which is yet another reason ( among so MANY others ) that we must do everything we can to make sure she doesn't win the nomination ! Sure I'll vote for her ( god forbid ) in the General, but it's almost to the point of ... why bother ?

[Carolina]

128. exactly what

I said down thread. The GOP will stoop to sexism and scare the daylights out of people with their depictions of Hillary being in charge of the military. Her hawkishness (why I don't like her), notwithstanding, it'll only take one ad repeatedly shown depicting Hillary with the troops and an ominous voice over: Do you ... can you really trust HER with our nation's security?

She's a loser. She is loathed. She will unify the GOP (and GOP voters)in a way that their own nominee can only dream about!

[riverdeep]

95. Some advisor told her to laugh more to up her likability quotient.

It's really dumb. She laughs at the most inappropriate times and it seems fake. I saw it in the last debates so she didn't have an excuse of a feed delay. Just like some dufus told Guiliani taking a phone call from his wife would be hilarious, or maybe that was his own idea, who knows.

So far, Obama seems the most immune from these artifices. Sure, he's rehearsed in his answers, but not something bizarre or out of character.

There may be some offensive terms floating around, I don't know. But the vast majority here are arguing against her POLICY.

[rucky]

136. the hen-pecked husband shtick is getting old, too.

no candidate is immune to superficial criticism, but it is just that. all part of the show, and all are willing players.

[knight_of_the_star]

97. And yet again

People pounded on me for daring to say that sexism involving HRC is the biggest fallacy here.

[provis99]

101. stop referencing Hillary's looks! Its sexist! Now that John Edwards..

he's a scrumptious little sexcake. What a prettyboy!

[aquart]

106. Oh, they're not sexist. Some of their best friends are women.

And I'm including those among them who ARE women. Shame on you.

[Kiouni]

113. Dammit sometimes a boob joke is just funny!

Wait...Yep I might just be sexist. I'm going to rehab now to learn to blame it on my father (which by the way is the one who told me the boob joke).

[cali]

117. I'm glad you wrote this

Of course some of the Hillary hate is sexist in nature, even here at little ol' DU, and even if people don't recognize that that's what they're indulging in. Hell, I've even had to reflect whether some of my antipathy toward her was rooted in sexism. I don't think so, but it's worth a check. I won't even read all the comments in defence here, but people can be deliberately or unconsciously obtuse when it comes to sexism. That's one of the things that makes it so pernicious.

[NNN0LHI]

124. Why is it astonishing? We are on an anonymous chat board

Those aren't Dems saying that stuff.

They are Republican disruptors posting that crap here.

Don't let no one kid ya.

And take heart. Most of those scum won't be around here much longer.

Don

[Carolina]

125. get used to it

cause it'll only get worse.

She is the one person who will unify the GOP and GOP voters. The loathing of her knows no bounds where I live and the GOP is ready to throw everything AND the kitchen sink at her.

To those who say that regardless of who the Dem nominee may be, he will be attacked, I agree. BUT no one has more baggage than Hillary. And the sexism is just added gem for her opponents. For despite Hillary's hawkishness, the GOP will inundate the sheeple with ads juxtaposing her image with military figures or troops and captions like:

Can you see her in charge of our armed forces?
Do you trust her with your national security?

Men and many women will vote against her in droves.

Hillary is a loser.

[LWolf]

126. There are plenty of reasons to oppose HRC's candidacy

without needing to engage in "hate" or "sexism."

The propensity of HRC's supporters to label those that oppose her as "haters" is despicable, imo.

I haven't heard any of the jokes you're referring to, but then, I don't pay much attention to Hillary threads or media, since she's not going to earn my support.

If some are resorting to sexist attacks, I'll say I think that is also a despicable campaign tactic, and, as already mentioned, unnecessary.

[sniffa]

127. yeah, it's the sexism and not her bush-Liteness

and she does cackLe.... not Like a hen, but Like a witch.

[Annces]

131. They are not beating her down though

She has heard it all. Since she might be the first woman president, she is going to be bearing the brunt of a lot of sexist attitudes. I saw a woman refer to her as a cornered wet cat the other day on DU.

There are plenty of women out there who continue the tradition of praising the male and denigrating the female, but consider themselves pro-woman. Very Shakespearean.

[lateo]

133. calling someone sexy is now hate-speech?

WTF kind of bizzaro world is that from?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

134. yup. i dont like her all that much politically but i truly hate these sexist comments.

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[rucky]

135. cackles are sexist?

gender-specific, yes. But it's a deliberate strategy and fair game for criticism.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

138. Right Wing Men Are Afraid Hillary Is Going To Take Away Their Dicks...

The anti-Hillary phenomenon on the left is a bit more complex...

[blondeatlast]

139. Undecide, leaning away from HRC--and I agree completely. It's out of hand now. nt

[electron_blue]

140. I agree. It's to be expected - the first woman President will experience this and more.

I'm not saying Hillary will be the first, but... it's so typical. People claim they support a woman to hold such and such office, or job, but they just don't like *that* particular woman.

I'm not saying Hillary is perfect or even the best candidate, but the first woman holding any powerful job or office has a big bullseye on her front and back.
It's fair game to criticize Hillary, but it's easy to go overboard bcs she is the first woman to go so far in a Presidential campaign. She is to be lauded for that even if she doesn't win, bcs inroads will have been made on sexism and the next woman will have an easier time being judge on merits.

[The Stranger]

143. Oh the Humanity!

They're beating me down!

[JVS]

149. I was beaten down at the store yesterday when they refused to accept my coupon

I'm outraged!

[durrrty libby]

147. So called "progressives"?

It all starts with one's own behavior and language.


Many are outright frauds

[Cha]

148. Yip, always the victim.

So many ways, so little time.

[bpeale]

150. better get over it

politics is not a spectator sport

[truebrit71]

151. Settle Down Francis....

...HRC brings the "cackle" comments on herself...or do you find that annoying sound she makes when she gets confronted by someone melodic???

[Romulox]

155. Why are Hillary supporters so insecure. If we believe the polls, HRC is unstoppable....

I think all this crap about "not needing the Left to win" is so much hot air. The same tactics that allow HRC/DLC to roll over the base in order to coronate Clinton as the candidate are destroying her credibility with a significant portion of the base to the degree that McAulliffe and his ilk are sweating.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

156. Because I think they understand one important fact.

Her "support" is an inch deep and a mile wide. They also know when it comes to issues their candidate doesn't measure up well against the party's other choices. That's why her supporters avoid debating issues like war, health care, and economics, in favor of mindless hero worship and childish catch phrases like: Hey it's another Clinton! Remember the 90's?, and wouldn't it be super neato to have a woman in the white house?

American politics has morphed into an "American Idol" popularity contest, and the Hillarians aim to keep it that way.

[JuniperLea]

157. I've never bashed her with jokes about any of that

I just don't like her, never have. Won't vote for her in the primary either.

Actually, I'm more sick of the Hillary flag wavers than I am of her... they are NOT doing her cause any good whatsoever!!! I was on the line before, now I am firmly planted in the I HATE HILL club garden!!!

[Totally Committed]

158. Poor Hillary... so misunderstood, so mistreated, so maligned....

:nopity:


TC

[Katherine Brengle]

159. Agreed -- some of the comments are way over the line and should not be

accepted or encouraged here.

Disagreeing with her views and not supporting her is one thing, but the shit that some people are heaping on is just wrong.