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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:48 PM
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Byrd: Senate’s ‘Saber-Rattling’ Is ‘Sleep-Walking’ America To War With Iran
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 04:03 PM by babylonsister
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/04/iran-byrd-speech/

Byrd: Senate’s ‘Saber-Rattling’ Is ‘Sleep-Walking’ America To War With Iran

On the Senate floor today, Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) decried the recent Kyl-Lieberman amendment on Iran that 72 of his colleagues voted for, calling it an exercise in “international verbal spitball.” Byrd warned his colleagues against “sleep-walking” into another war, saying “I hope that we can stop this war of words before it becomes a war of bombs.”

Byrd added that the Senate’s “chest-pounding” and “saber-rattling” towards Iran was “deeply troubling,” as the Iraq war has shown “all too clearly where it leads”:

It is deeply troubling to see the U.S. Senate joining the chest-pounding and saber-rattling of the Bush administration. I am no apologist for the Iranian regime, anymore than I was for Saddam Hussein, but I fear that we may become entangled in another bloody quagmire. We have been down this path before. We have seen all too clearly where it leads.

Watch it at link~

As former Vice President Al Gore noted in his book, The Assault on Reason, Byrd made a similarly prescient speech in 2003, warning against the invasion of Iraq:

We are truly “sleepwalking through history.” In my heart of hearts I pray that this great nation and its good and trusting citizens are not in for a rudest of awakenings.

To engage in war is always to pick a wild card. And war must always be a last resort, not a first choice. I truly must question the judgment of any President who can say that a massive unprovoked military attack on a nation which is over 50% children is “in the highest moral traditions of our country”. This war is not necessary at this time. Pressure appears to be having a good result in Iraq. Our mistake was to put ourselves in a corner so quickly. Our challenge is to now find a graceful way out of a box of our own making. Perhaps there is still a way if we allow more time.


At that time, Byrd noted that the Senate was “ominously silent” and failed to question the Bush administration’s invasion plan. “There is no debate, no discussion, no attempt to lay out for the nation the pros and cons of this particular war,” he said. Let’s hope that with Iran, the Senate wakes up before it’s too late.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:51 PM
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1. does anyone have the list of who voted for it? want to see if my idiot DINO is on there
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:15 PM
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13. Here's the link to the roll call vote on the Kyle/Lieberman Amendment:
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 08:57 PM
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21. How could so many Democrats sell us out?
I understand the vote of some of the DINOs, but the rest?????

We can always count on Boxer, bless her heart!
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 10:09 PM
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24. Because their loyalty is to the MIC, not to us. (nt)
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 10:41 PM
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25. Good point!
Actually, the question was rhetorical, but thank you for taking the time to respond!
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 10:58 PM
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27. A good rhetorical question deserves a good rhetorical answer...
Welcome to DU!

:hi:

sw
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 11:04 PM
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28. Thank you!
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:55 PM
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2. Byrd tried to convince his collegues in 2002 too.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:03 PM
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3. right he is.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:13 PM
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4. This is extremely worrisome....For about the last month when I
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 04:13 PM by snappyturtle
awaken, around five and turn on the tv, I actually wonder before the news pops up, if we bombed anyone overnight? I never had these thoughts in the past. I expect it any day now. I guess it's my way of getting accustomed to the idea.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:38 PM
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7. we have madmen in control of our beloved country
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 06:44 PM
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15. Hearty chuckle here! And,,your comment is right on too! nt
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:25 PM
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5. It's "deeply troubling" because we all know where this is going
and I for one don't like it. Germany only got to "annex" so many countries before all hell broke loose.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:38 PM
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6. Most of our senators learned nothing at all from IWR.
do they forget who is in the Whote House?

:banghead:
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:47 PM
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8. You actually believed that they were "misled"?
I knew we were screwed when Bush was on TV saying something like "I'm tired of Saddam stalling!"

And I thought we were waiting on the UN...apparently I was wrong.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 06:48 PM
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16. Well, admittedly, yes, at the time, I did. But I'm much wiser now. nt
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 06:54 PM
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18. Misled? Stop maligning a great song with that BS.
I think Kool & The Gang were the one's who were prescient! :rofl:

Misled, heard you call my name
Misled, what's your claim to fame
Misled, said I would understand
Misled, with a bomb of broken venus
Misled, not a word is said
Misled, baby, that's your name
Misled, what's what's your claim to me
My heart, my soul, my love
Is that goal?
It's a thrill then I will
Misled, won't you be fo' real



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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:50 PM
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9. Byrd... 2002 Iraq War Senate Debate
"...This is plain and simple a blank check given to the President of the U.S. and I won't touch it..."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=al-d7efZWC4
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:52 PM
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10. Let’s hope that with Iran, the Senate wakes up before it’s too late.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:53 PM
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11. I cried when I read his book, "Losing America." n/t
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:06 PM
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12. He is one wise old fart I admire so much,...who inspires my belief in human potential.
He has the noble character to admit that, he was once a political whore fully engaged in the "good ole boy" syndrome,...long ago.

He expresses human wisdom for all people. He did so, ALONE, not so long ago, about congressional approval of a war, a needless and baseless war that is sucking this country dry of all its resources to land in an ANTI-democratic, ANTI-justice, ANTI-U.S.A. cultist pocket loading up so much money and power to ruin not only the world but this country.

The Honorable Byrd is so SO correct. We are "sleepwalking" through the worst nightmare,...except, it is NOT a nightmare,...it is reality, it is happening,...and we continue to pretend the fascism that is strangling this nation is merely a nightmare.

I can not even express the horror I see unraveling before my very eyes,...with so many people "sleepwalking" right through it. I wonder if, the German people felt the way I do, at some point or another.

I wonder.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:45 PM
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14. Full Remarks
from press release

For immediate release: Thursday, October 4, 2007

BYRD SPEAKS OUT ON IRAN

BYRD: AMERICA MUST NOT “SLEEP WALK” INTO ANOTHER DISASTROUS
MILITARY CONFRONTATION

Washington, D.C…. U.S. Senator Robert C. Byrd, D-W.Va., delivered remarks
today on growing tensions between the U.S. and Iran and the recent Senate
resolution designating a portion of the Iranian Armed Forces as a “terrorist
organization”. In a speech on the Senate floor, Byrd expressed his dismay that
the U.S. Senate has joined the “chest-pounding and saber-rattling of the Bush
Administration”.

~snip~

Senator Byrd’s Full Remarks are below
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mr. President, last week, the Senate voted on an amendment to the Defense Authorization bill that designated a portion of the Iranian Armed Forces as a “terrorist organization.” I joined 21 of my colleagues in voting against that amendment. It was a dangerous, unnecessary provocation that is escalating the confrontational rhetoric between the United States and Iran. In response to the
passage of that amendment, the Iranian Parliament on Saturday designated the U.S. Armed Forces and the Central Intelligence Agency as terrorist organizations. Will someone please explain to me what has been achieved by this exchange of international verbal spitballs?

It is deeply troubling to see the U.S. Senate joining the chest-pounding and saber-rattling of the Bush Administration. I am no apologist for the Iranian regime, any more than I was for Saddam Hussein, but I fear that we may become entangled in another bloody quagmire. We have been down this path before. We have seen all too clearly where it leads.

Four and a half years ago, Secretary of State Colin Powell made a speech before the United Nations Security Council claiming to have evidence that proved Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was an imminent threat to U.S. and international security. Others in the Administration made the rounds of the Washington news programs to pound the drums of war, scaring the public with visions of mushroom clouds and mobile chemical weapons labs. The proponents of war compared Saddam Hussein to Adolf Hitler, warning ominously of the dangers of Chamberlain-like “appeasement.”

That is a seductive analogy, but it is a dangerously specious one. Every foreign adversary is not the devil incarnate. We know now that Saddam Hussein was militarily a paper tiger. The intelligence that suggested he was an imminent threat was flat wrong. Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein had not attacked our country. Saddam Hussein was a ruthless tyrant, but he was not an imminent threat to U.S. national security.

And now we hear the same scare tactics and simple analogies trotted out again, this time with Iran. Analogies can be dangerous things; they risk oversimplifying complicated situations, and can lead to erroneous conclusions. While there may be some superficial similarities between Hitler and Ahmadinejad, it does not mean that our only option is to start World War III.

We are now more than four years into a war that was launched by false
fears and scary hyperbole, and here we are again, being led down a path by chest-pounding rhetoric, without a clear idea of where that path is taking us.

As the philosopher George Santayana once said, “those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” Are we condemned to repeat the colossal blunder that is the Iraq war? Or has the United States Senate learned the lessons of history?

Every day it seems the confrontational rhetoric between the United States and Iran escalates. We hear shadowy claims about Iran’s destabilizing actions in Iraq, with little direct evidence offered to back it up. The President telegraphs his desire to designate a large segment of the Iranian army as a terrorist organization—and instead of counseling prudence, the United States Senate rushes ahead to do it for him. I hope that we can stop this war of words before it becomes a war of bombs.

We have seen the results when the U.S. Senate gives this Administration the benefit of the doubt: a war that has now directly cost the American people six hundred billion dollars, more than 3,800 American deaths, and more than 27,000 American casualties. A war that has stretched our military to the breaking point.

A war that the commander of our forces in Iraq just three weeks ago could not say had made America safer.

I daresay many—perhaps most—in this chamber wish we had never gone
into Iraq. Are we willing to sleep-walk into yet another disastrous military confrontation with a Middle East tyrant?

We need to talk directly to the government of Iran, without preconditions or artificial restrictions, and indicate that regime change is not our goal.

Unfortunately, the President seems unwilling to take that step; we have held only two talks at a relatively low level, and those have focused solely on Iraq. Direct talks with North Korea about the issue we were most concerned with—North Korea’s nuclear program—resulted in the first progress toward a denuclearized Korean peninsula in years. And yet with Iran we continue to refuse to discuss the issues we are most concerned about, insisting that they must first renounce their
nuclear program. That is not negotiation. That is dictating ultimatums.

I agree that no option should be taken off the table when considering how to deal with any threat posed by Iran. But, if the President concludes, after serious diplomacy has failed, that an attack is necessary, he must make the case to the U.S. Congress and the American people. Under Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, only the Congress—the elected representatives of the people—have the power to declare war. Not the President.

The President has stated his belief that previously enacted Congressional authorizations to use force give him all the authority he requires to start a new war. I respectfully disagree. It is incumbent upon us to reassert the powers granted to the people’s branch in the Constitution. That is the best way to prevent another colossal blunder in the Middle East. It is the people of this country who pay the price of such presidential misadventures. We, as their Representatives in the Congress, must not fail in our number one duty: to protect their interests.

http://byrd.senate.gov/2007_10_04_Byrd_Speaks_Out_on_Iran.pdf
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 06:50 PM
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17. My two senators voted for it, Casey and Specter
:puke: Way to go guys! :nuke: :nuke:
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 06:59 PM
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19. Isn't there a decent person speaking out on the war? Always with this guy. nt.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 07:00 PM
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20. It is officially deja vu all over again.
:scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 09:00 PM
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22. How has Hillary justifed it? Another IWR misleading?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 09:06 PM
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23. That's Bob Byrd...our Cicero!
http://sights.seindal.dk/sight/1195_Severed_Heads_and_Hands.html

I wonder if Babs Bush, our monstrous Fulva/Livia, will desecrate his severed head as ancient Roman Babs did to the original Cicero.

Naah. That's bad PR for tyrants who haven't finished the job of securing their nation in chains, so excesses like that may have to wait a couple decades.

Maybe a surreptitious Imperial Family visit to the mortuary before the funeral, though. Who would refuse the Imperial Family?
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 10:42 PM
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26. fool me once...shame on you; fool me twice.....shame on....won't get fooled again
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 08:29 AM
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29. kick
:kick:
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