Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Glenn Greenwald: The latest revelations of lawbreaking, torture and extremism

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:17 PM
Original message
Glenn Greenwald: The latest revelations of lawbreaking, torture and extremism

Glenn Greenwald
Thursday October 4, 2007 08:19 EST
The latest revelations of lawbreaking, torture and extremism

(updated below)

Much outrage has been provoked by the generally excellent New York Times article this morning revealing the Bush administration's recent violations of legal restrictions on the use of torture and other "severe interrogation techniques." And, in one sense, the outrage is both understandable and appropriate. Today's revelations involve the now-familiar, defining attributes of this administration -- claims of limitless presidential power, operating in total secrecy and with no oversight, breaking of laws at will, serial misleading of the Congress and the country and, most of all, the shattering of every previous moral and legal constraint on our national behavior.

But in another, more important, sense, this story reveals nothing new. As a country, we've known undeniably for almost two years now that we have a lawless government and a President who routinely orders our laws to be violated. His top officials have been repeatedly caught lying outright to Congress on the most critical questions we face. They have argued out in the open that the "constitutional duty" to defend the country means that nothing -- including our "laws" -- can limit what the President does.

It has long been known that we are torturing, holding detainees in secret prisons beyond the reach of law and civilization, sending detainees to the worst human rights abusers to be tortured, and subjecting them ourselves to all sorts of treatment which both our own laws and the treaties to which we are a party plainly prohibit. None of this is new.

And we have decided, collectively as a country, to do nothing about that. Quite the contrary, with regard to most of the revelations of lawbreaking and abuse, our political elite almost in unison has declared that such behavior is understandable, if not justifiable. And our elected representatives have chosen to remain largely in the dark about what was done and, when forced by court rulings or media revelations to act at all, they have endorsed and legalized this behavior -- not investigated, outlawed or punished it.

A ruling by the Supreme Court in Hamdan that the President's interrogation and detention policies violated the law led Congress to enact the Military Commissions Act to legalize those policies. Revelations that the President and telecom companies were breaking our surveillance laws led to the legalization of much of that program and will soon lead to amnesty for the lawbreakers. With regard to all of the most severe acts of illegality, no criminal prosecutions have been commenced and no truly meaningful Congressional investigations have been pursued.

And the more that is revealed about the deep corruption of this administration, the more protective our political elite becomes of the administration, the more insistent their demands become that nothing be done (see Fred Hiatt's attack today on Pat Leahy for his "irresponsible" refusal to confirm Bush's Attorney General until the administration discloses information regarding their past lawbreaking and firings of prosecutors). And the more our political elite defends the administration and demands that nothing be done, the more our "opposition party" heeds those demands:

more...

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:21 PM
Response to Original message
1. K&R
Yep
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:23 PM
Response to Original message
2. He's right. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:24 PM
Response to Original message
3. not much outrage here cause wes have been learning
like all good childrens
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:27 PM
Response to Original message
4. nail head meet hammer.....
In a fucking nutshell.........
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. The American people are not outraged at this.
I believe that most agree with the Torture Agenda, although most would never publicly say so.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. I hope you are not somehow suggesting I am unAmerican
I am extremely outraged about this...,
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. You're wrong; I'm outraged, and I bet there are many around here who are. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. What you say here is exactly Dana Perino's take on torture.
She said in effect today that if we ever have another attack on this country we would ask why the government allowed it to happen....suggesting that if we could have found out about it through interrogation and the extremes, wouldn't we want the gov't. to do that!?? Of course out of the other corner of her mouth she said we don't torture. Go figure. Honest, I heard it.

At which time I said out loud, "I cannot believe you said that!"....the room was empty.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 06:19 PM
Response to Original message
7. kick
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. I should have posted "most" Americans agree.
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 06:41 PM by Disturbed

I believe that (most) agree with the Torture Agenda, although most would never publicly say so.

I do not believe Torture is alright, morally, ethically or legally.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #9
12. To a person, every born-again Christian that I know agrees.
The entire evangelical church is OK with the whole torture agenda (makes you wonder what Hitler would have given to have these church leaders).

I don't understand it, but I do agree with your take on it. It's downright disheartening.

You'd think I might know at least one Christian fundamentalist that would say no to torture. And these are people that seemed so normal just a couple years ago. I would have even called them "good people" up until this psychotic attitude about torture. What is wrong with these people?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. Those "Christians" may simply be long for new Crusades --
Edited on Fri Oct-05-07 12:45 AM by defendandprotect
Oops . . . Bush may actually have started one in the Middle East -- !!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 08:12 PM
Response to Original message
11. kick
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Beerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 03:47 AM
Response to Original message
14. For centuries it's been realized that the Press is the
4th Estate in Western society, a/part of the government. If Bill Moyers could be the spokesman for LBJ, I hope the next prez hires Greenwald.
Very informative.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 05:29 AM
Response to Original message
15. Very good article
but who will arrest these goons.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 02:48 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC