Why not frame it: U.S. has Invaded the M.E. for its oil?

[DaveJ]

Seriously, why does this way of thinking still elude almost everyone? It's totally obvious that politicians want to secure oil, which is understandable, given the fact that EVERYONE wants it.

Are politicians elected to do what's moral, or to do what is in our best interest? If we could gain a single year of oil it's their job to get it, isn't it? If not, tell me why.

If oil were to run out now, it would be the apocalypse. Whether it happens tomorrow or in 50 years, it WILL happen. And when your kids are starving to death do you want your politicians to be moral, or do you want them to give them a chance at life?

Just curious. I don't know the answer. But I know this debate is not being properly framed.

[madokie]

1. I really don't want our politicians doing anything to make life harder for any one person

on this earth no matter what. we have time to develope alternate energy sources without having to out right kill and steal it like the bushco* are doing in Iraq today.

[zonmoy]

6. we might be able to create alternate energy sources.

but what we need to do is create alternate energy resources that use less energy to create than they produce. that does shorten the list considerably. the second thing we need the energy source to do is to produce energy at a level that we can not only support our civilization at its current levels but increase our energy use as necessary.

[yourout]

2. I really wonder how far the money wasted on the Iraq war would have went towards getting us off....

oil addiction. I have to belive we could have made serious advances if we tryed.

[DaveJ]

4. Money doesn't cure everything

It will take another 50 years to get off our oil addiction. I think this ME invasion was planned 50 years ago, and getting off our oil addiction is planned for 50 years from now.

Throwing money at the problem is not going to get this problem fixed much faster.

At least that's what I think their reasoning is.

But that's slightly beside the point. Why don't politicians ACKNOWLEDGE that we are invading the ME for its oil????

[daninthemoon]

12. You may well be right. Certainly by the mid 70's the oil situation

was clearly understood. Now, with the oil men actually holding the elected executive office, the blow has been struck. Maybe one day they will call it for what it is. They certainly never believed their own crap about WMD. The extent of the conspiracies is endless.
It is a damn shame this effort couldn't have been put to the task of freeing us from this oil dependence, but that was not where the energy/oil companies saw their profit. Ultimately, this war was not about helping the rest of us get oil. It was about enriching haliburton, and clark oil. and whatever other enron entities are running the bush/cheney cabal.

[LakeSamish706]

3. Yep, and if you want to get the foot work that proves this already done for you...

You should read this book by a Canadian Author...

IT'S THE CRUDE, DUDE by Linda McQuaig.

[spanone]

5. it's never eluded me. alan greenspan wrote it in his book and the media yawned.

:shrug:

[mitchtv]

7. Um, hasn't that been the obvious fact

since Day One? I could have sworn I heard "No blood for oil" somewhere along the way.

[Amonester]

8. When someone needs oil, they usually BUY it.

They don't go to the gaz station with the idea to steal it.

They want oil: they pay for it.

We all know the criminals in the WH and their BO pals don't want to pay for it.

They wanted to charge all expenses to get it on the national credit card.

Since they couldn't put them in the revenue columns like the Enron crooks did...

[Mr Rabble]

9. This is not in our best interest.

That is really the first issue. This is in no way in our interest.
Had we not spent the last 50 years killing people in the Middle East for their oil, maybe this wouldn't be an issue. Who knows, maybe they would have done something crazy like- sold the oil to us at fair market prices.

What a concept!

Remember, we have had an inherent advantage as our currency was the only currency that ME oil was traded in.
Our corporations blood lusting for profits finally made that a hindrance.

The second issues here is what seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of our system of government.
Our politicians are elected to enact policies and laws that we send them to enact. Period.

Now, we elect representatives to enact policies on our behalf and in our interest, and they neither.

[yourout]

10. To hard to sell.....easier to sell freedom.

Spilling blood for oil would be a tough sell
Spilling blood for freedom is well..............American..

[DaveJ]

11. This is no secret to the rest of the world

WE WANT OIL. So do they. But we are in the position to get at it. It doesn't matter whether the politician is D or R.

If the positions were reversed, other nations would do anything to get at the oil too.

But that's beside the point. Why do we have to listen to double talk contantly. Why can't they acknowledge the fact that the M.E. is all about oil??? Terrorism is just the M.E.'s way of fighting back, but its a rather feeble attempt.

If we are willing to give up on a few years of oil, we should each be willing to let one or two of our kids die (if you have any), because that is how serious this is. I'm just trying to get this debate framed properly.