We Know What You're Doing

[Mythsaje]

Dear corporate media whores:

Yes, yes, we get it. Your choice for the Democratic candidate for President is Hillary Clinton. We know. The only people who DON'T get it are a couple of deaf-mutes camped out in a cave in the Colorado Rockies. You give her campaign the most attention, offering Obama a couple of soundbytes here and there to keep us off your back, but you're pretty much ignoring all the other candidates. No wonder the polls are skewed--you've already made our selection for us.

Well, we think you suck. We think you've abandoned any pretense of journalistic integrity and have all the ethics of a pack of starving dingos let loose in a chicken farm.

And that just might be an insult to starving dingos.

In case you didn't get it, let me reiterate. We think you suck.

You've all but given the whole thing away to Hillary, despite the fact that several of the early primary states are still too close to call one way or another. But, according to your established wisdom (the same wisdom that had you parroting White House talking points about how much of a cakewalk Iraq would be) it's all over but the crying.

Well, it ain't over until it's over.

Maybe Hillary IS popular with a certain breed of Democrat. The kind that doesn't really pay attention the issues, the kind that doesn't really mind that certain industries have more or less paid the bill for her candidacy and we're supposed to simply look the other way. The kind that are polling based on name recognition and a certain misplaced sense of nostalgia for the "good old days" when Bill was President and the rest of the world didn't think we were a bunch of ignorant wankers.

And those who think that a woman President would be just peachy, regardless of who that woman happened to be and what she really stood for. Which, actually, most of us STILL don't know. Is she against the Iraq War, or just against the way it was waged?

Is she opposed to a confrontation with Iran, or just against an "unreasonable" confrontation with Iran. Is she aware that the Big Mullah over there issued a Fatwa against pursuing nuclear weapons and the President is actually little more than a figurehead? I would hope so, since us "fringe" folks out here in the digital hinterlands are quite aware of it.

So what's the saber rattling about, anyway?

Oh, wait. Why am I asking you? I would have difficulties trusting you if you said the sun rises in the east. Primarily because you'd HAVE to include some half-wit who insists that it rises in the West just to appear as if you actually still HAVE journalistic integrity.

Here's a clue... presenting both sides of something when one side is using facts and the other is using nonsense DISGUISED as facts is not an example of impartial journalism. It's an example of unprincipled pandering. It's flat disgusting.

So, yeah, we know what you're doing. And in case you forgot--we still think you suck.

[Richard Steele]

1. I wish I could recommend this more than once. nm

[daninthemoon]

2. Nice post. You can speak for me. BTW, that is an insult to dingos,

though. I just don't know how we can get any real news anymore. Hardball today actually had mathews interviewed by his wife as a device to plug his book. Somehow I can't quite picture Cronkite doing that.

[libnnc]

3. You speak for me.

:applause:

[AmBlue]

4. "...starving dingos let loose in a chicken farm."

Great line...

k&r:kick:

[Mythsaje]

5. In all fairness

I got the idea from a clip I saw of the new Kelsey Grammer sitcom where someone says he "jumped on it like a starving dingo in a nursery ward," (or something like that) which reminded me of the band "Dingos ate my baby" from Buffy, so it stuck in my head. I have to admit I laughed.

I thought the nursery ward thing was a little tasteless, so...

[arendt]

39. Still, its worthy of a Hunter Thompson write-alike award! Loved it. n/t

[Orrex]

49. Shame on you for quoting Patricia Heaton

And shame on me for identifying it.

:puke:

[Ken Burch]

76. It's ok. We're there for you. And don't be ashamed.

Many people have identified Patricia Heaton as the source of quotes and then gone on to lead moderately normal lives.

[Orrex]

109. But I feel so... So...

Forgive me--I need some time alone.

[Ken Burch]

110. Find a quiet room and let your mind go to your Happy Place

(several shots of tequila can help with this process.)

[Mythsaje]

6. Self-kick

Just because I can't help it.

I LIKE this rant.

[Lugnut]

8. Allow me to help

Great rant! :kick:

[Jackpine Radical]

47. Hell, as long as you're kicking yourself,

I'll kick ya too.

You were just askin' for the kickin', ya know, like a battered wife who drops her alcoholic husband's pork chop on the way to serving him.

[tex-wyo-dem]

7. Excellent and spot on!

I've been looking for the words to decribe the seeming "popularity" of Hil, and I think you've nailed it: a combination of 1) the media "marketing" her like she's Brit Spears, 2) the name recognition and nostalgia for the "good old days" of her husband's term during relative peace, prosperity and general "good times" for the U.S. Of A 3) the faction who just thinks it would be cool to finally have a woman president and 4) those who don't want to rock the boat too hard.

In my book: Hil = status quo and a continuation of the corporate, war-mongering orgy that has inflicted this country for far too long.

We need a BIG change: someone who is truly a libreal/progressive/populist leader, someone who can really take this country in a more positive direction and Hil ain't it.

[defendandprotect]

9. I would have loved to see a female president -- Shirley Chisholm!

Geraldine Ferraro as VP --

Ferraro told a story about her being asked a question on the fly by the press one day --
something about abortion, I think, and she challenged Reagan rather successfully on his position.
Nancy Reagan happened to be watching on TV and immediately charged someone with "getting her."
I don't know how Ferraro found out . . .
but evidently a lot of the tax and "organized crime" stuff she then had to talk down was due to this . . .

However, I don't want to vote for Hillary -- absolutely not!!!

And it has really been enraging that for so very, very long liberal organizations have really refused
to see rising fascism in America and move away from their single issue campaigns and join together
on this issue!!!!

[Mythsaje]

10. WE'RE seeing it...

We have to wonder why THEY don't seem to be.

[defendandprotect]

12. However, I don't want to vote for Hillary -- absolutely not!!!

You didn't read my full comments ---

[Mythsaje]

13. Yeah, I did...

I don't want to vote for her either. I just hope she's not the candidate.

[defendandprotect]

15. Oh . . . OK -- are you for Edwards . .. or someone else?

[Mythsaje]

17. You hit it in one.

I'm an Edwards supporter.

:)

[BonnieJW]

66. Me too.

I will vote for Edwards in the primary, if Gore doesn't run.

[againes654]

73. What do you think of

Edwards/Kucinich in 08? Think that is the change we desperately need?

[defendandprotect]

103. Looks good to me, too ---

[JuniperLea]

93. Me too!

I've been feeling badly about not making up my mind yet... but I read some stuff on Edwards and his wife today... tipped the scale.

If Gore doesn't run it will break my heart! But not enough to keep me away from voting for Edwards!

[Totally Committed]

41. How about Barbara Jordan? I was a big fan of hers, too.

She or Shirley Chisholm (I was naive enough to believe) would be our first female POTUS. Then, as they faded from the scene, I pinned my hopes on Geraldine Ferraro. No such luck.

I still think Jordan or Chisholm would have made great Justices of the SCOTUS, but, even THAT shows my naivety, I'm afraid. (Like either ever had a chance to be either POTUS, or SCOTUS candidates...)

But, Hillary breaks their mold. While those women led with their inherent female strength, intution, and integrity, the "Hillary model" (read: HRC, Pelosi, etc.) operates on the belief that being just like the men is what's needed to get ahead. They are as willing to be as collusional, as corrupt, as cynical, as war-like, in short -- to be as big a "prick" as any of the guys in the Senate or the House. These female politicians of today (w/ HRC as their model) are as willing to make that rotten deal, take that dirty buck, screw the constituents over, and and go to war as any of the men are. Gone are the days of believing that there would be fewer wars, fewer poor people, or fewer hungry, abused, or neglected children if Women were in charge of the government. ANd, like I said, Hillary LEADS the parade of shame, with Pelosi trying to out-stupid her every step of the way.

Ugh.

I will never vote for HRC. Never. I would LOVE to see a female POTUS in my lifetime, just not THAT female. Not now.

TC

[Raejeanowl]

105. Oh Yes, Barbara Jordan

I idolized her, too. Possibly the most intellectually gifted legislator of the latter half of the 20th century. Talk about being naive: My heart skipped a beat or two with echoing memories the first time I heard Condi speak, but THAT was short-lived!

Jordan had personal issues the general public wasn't even aware of back then in her heyday, not the least of which was her deteriorating health, and probably would have neatly ended her career in Congress with a few revelations. Tragic, tragic waste when we lose our best and brightest and get stuck with mediocrities.

[Breeze54]

11. Right, f**king ON!!!

Great job, Mythsaje! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

You put into words, many things I've been thinking

but it comes out as, @&%$#@! when I try! :P

:kick: & Recommended!!

[againes654]

74. You speak

@&%$#@ too???

[Swamp Rat]

14. I don't know a single person where I live who likes Hillary or will vote for her.

I'm talking about progressives, liberals, and people who do not care much for politics. Only my conservative friends and right wing nutjobs I know want her to run for office.

The M$M and PNAC-DLC have chosen her for us, but REAL PEOPLE are not falling for it.

[Roland99]

16. Same here. NO ONE likes Hillary.

[Mythsaje]

19. No, I'm not buying that either...

I do know some real life Hillary supporters. Mostly people who aren't the kind of policy wonks we are.

[saracat]

21. Most Hillary supporters I know are looking for some personal gain.

[Mythsaje]

22. Someone here on DU pointed out

that most Hillary supporters THEY knew were Dems who get most of their info from mainstream sources. They're lifetime dems who don't use the internet. My response was, "oh, the less-informed."

That, of course, got a nasty response. But, if you ask me, that's EXACTLY what they were saying. Clinton appeals to social liberals who aren't given access to the policy discussions we engage in every day.

Or so it seems to me.

[saracat]

23. That may be so.But many that I know either had some attachment to the Clinton Admin or are

"buying influence". Others see her as a "winner" because of the money and want jobs. Some don't even like her but want to work on the campaign. Many others seem to be voting like the GOP. They feel if they stand next to a rich person, it makes them rich. Go figure. I have never understood that reasoning.

[Mythsaje]

25. Hmmm.

That doesn't explain the polling numbers though.

[saracat]

27. I think the polling numbers may be a reflection of the Dem version of the GOP

group think. I truly believe that many people buy into the media presentation of who will benefit them.May GOP voters who always vote against their own interest do this. Why do poor folks vote GOP? It baffles me.The GOP makes it impossible for them to succeed yet somehow they relate the fact that the GOP is perceived as "rich" to their own circumstances. I think many Dems are doing a version of this with the Clintons. Otherwise why would such anomalies be taking place as Unions endorsing a candidate who publicly supports outsourcing? I also believe that Hillary has been "hollywoodized' and presented as the "glamorous " candidate. This is not in relation to her appearance but rather the idea of the "first woman President".She likes to mention that.A lot. There is a reason for it. It is her back story, along with being First Lady and Bill's wife.People always want to be associated with the "first " of anything. Remember people standing for hours to get an IPhone? Same idea. And there are also a lot of Dems who think they are still voting for Bill as they see this as a "twofer" and Bills second crack at the WH!

[Mythsaje]

28. I personally like the idea of a "first woman president."

I'm far less thrilled with it being Hillary.

We also have to take into consideration the fact that people who are primarily informed by the mainstream press know that the nineties were generally prosperous, Clinton was well liked on the international stage, Republicans DON'T like them, and that she's definitely NOT Bush.

They look back on the Clinton years with fond nostalgia, not realizing that they set the stage for some of the failures we're seeing now, from NAFTA to the media consolidation that's screwing with the sources of information that are the true foundation of Democratic rule.

I truly think a lot of it is being misinformed. Of course, one has to wonder about some of the Hillary SuperSupporters here on DU...particularly the three most vocal. They rarely have anything new to add to the debate, but they'll keep throwing out the same tired arguments over and over again.

[saracat]

29. I love the idea of "the first woman President " as well. But, I too wish it

were someone other than Hillary. I do not wonder about some of her supporters. I know.

[Mythsaje]

30. I don't "know" anything.

I can assume a few things, but that's not the same thing.

Hell, if I saw a flying saucer land in my backyard and little green men get out and wander around picking mushrooms, I'd need a second opinion before I could be certain. I'm not so much a skeptic as utterly incredulous.

I wouldn't be surprised if it happened, but I'd damn well want confirmation that what I *thought* was happening was really happening.

[bvar22]

57. I would love to see a WOMAN president!

There are some women in the House that would make wonderful presidents.
Strong, principled, ethical Women who represent the people and not their CEO contributers.

I would be first in line on Election Day to cast my vote for any of them.

I will NOT vote for Hillary.

[jillan]

100. That doesn't explain her strong support on DU

[onenote]

96. Ron Dellums, just another whore I guess. And Maya Angelou

They can't possibly be supporting Clinton for any other reason that (a) they are terribly misinformed and/or (b) they're in it for the money. You might take a look at the list of people endorsing Clinton and stop and think how ridiculous you sound. I'm still undecided, but will support whomever gets the nomination. But I think the efforts to tear down various candidates here, whether directed at clinton, edwards, obama, etc. is pathetic, particularly the "no one I know" supports so and so argument. Clinton received contributions from 100,000 new contributors last quarter -- a bunch of people who don't pay any attention to politics but give money? Right.

[BonnieJW]

67. I know one.

And she's 24 years old.

[Vilis Veritas]

44. That is almost like saying that there is some kind

of conspiracy...that those groups are working in concert...say it ain't so...

No Fear.

[johnnie]

46. Yup

I don't know anyone either. I've asked around and not one person has said they are voting for Hillary. It's obvious to me what is going on and I think it is to a lot of other people also.

[flyarm]

54. i run an internet group all over the country and also in Fla..and NJ

among informed Dems..and none of them want Hillary..not one..in fact i sense fear among them of a Hillary primary nomination ..and all i keep hearing is * lite..from them..

now i have many progressive, middle of the road repug friends..and they have nothing nice to say about Hillary..and they keep asking ..when is gore getting into the race..because they don't like the repigs running either..
the only people i see supporting Hillary are those... running... the dem party in Fla..

none of the dems who get down and get dirty and knock on doors and do the ground work..support her where i live in fla..there is no enthusiasm...unlike in 2004 where people were so engaged..

and it hasn't helped with the DLC bashing the DNC over our delegates and primary date..people are backing off..was that planned..i don't know..but the smell isn't so good ...

fly

[Roland99]

18. "presenting both sides of something when one side is using facts and the other is using nonsense..."

BRAVO!


EXACTLY!!


and I've been saying that for a while.


You'd think the liberal media would have caught on.

[LibDemAlways]

20. The whores have done an admirable job of

making her seem inevitable. What they haven't factored in is the progressives who'll turn out in the early primaries in droves to vote against her. I hope these same whores end up sitting there with egg on their well-paid faces asking "What happened?" when the first votes are actually cast.

[flyarm]

55. unless the feet dragging on the DRE voting machines may be a precursor to

what is really going on..another steal? but for our side..the lesser of two evils for the evil bastards in this white house perhaps?? after all the Big Dog never investigated or finished the investigations of papa*..on many counts..

i just get this feeling..Hillary is being projected because a deal has been made to not hold little lord pissy pants or darth vadar accountable for all their crimes against this dear nation of ours!

just my 2 cents..

fly

[LibDemAlways]

63. It doesn't give me a warm, comfortable feeling when I see

Bill cozying up to chimp's father. You can bet they don't spend much time talking about fishing. Given his close ties to the old man, I'm with you. If Hillary does manage to get in, chimp and Cheney will walk - smiles all around at the inauguration. This whole thing is so rigged I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the Clintons left behind a bunch of stuff in storage in the WH basement.

[loudsue]

77. Bingo! You win the prize!

That is the CRITICAL issue that so few people are talking about anymore: there are still a brazillian DREs out there that can be hacked and fiddled with, and they are still what tallies our votes.

Anybody who wants to know what is going on only has to listen to the media. They are so tightly tied to the people who program the damned machines that you can see way in advance where things are going for an election.

This ain't no democracy.

[OneBlueSky]

24. sadly, the majority of Americans still get their information from the corporate media . . .

so when all they see, hear, and read about is Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, that's going to tend to skew the polls in her favor in a rather significant way . . . it's also going to deprive them of hearing about candidates like Dennis Kucinich, and about important alternative viewpoints on the what's happening in the world . . .

since their agenda is all about profit and power, and not about truth, the corporate media leaves people ill-informed, mis-informed, and/or uninformed -- which is why they "support" candidates like Hillary Clinton . . . basically, it's because the media is telling them to . . .

[Mythsaje]

26. yep, yep, and yep.

Aggravating, isn't it?

[EFerrari]

31. They are making themselves obsolete.

Their own numbers must suck so badly that they have to hide them in a deep drawer. They're losing viewers and readers every day. The joke will be on them because media consolidation turns out to also be bad for THE MEDIA.

There is no new business model that will rescue a product that is losing goodwill every day.

/oops

[Mythsaje]

32. If they were any more transparent, they'd be invisible.

Sometimes I throw a news story my dad's way and he says "yeah, I read that. On page 19 of the paper."

And they're not SMALL stories. Just ones they don't want to highlight. Newspapers are still better than the TV media, but they still quietly shuffle the news.

[EFerrari]

33. I stopped both papers after they both denied 2004 was stolen

and blamed the internets for spreading rumors WHILE they also reported that the managing editor of the AP was in Hollywood telling a graduating class of journalism students that they needed to learn from the internet. It was just too disgusting, already.

[Mythsaje]

34. My dad isn't computer-friendly...

The paper is the only reasonable source of news he has other than me...though I've tried to turn him onto Air America. I think he'd really like Hartmann, but I don't think he can ever remember when he's on.

[Beerboy]

35. YAY! Down w/ Corporations!

Corporations are ass.

[Mythsaje]

36. Unregulated, policy-making, influence peddling, fake people corporations, yes.

Corporations that are licensed and operate for the public good rather than simply looking out for the bottom line are another matter entirely.

[Johnny Noshoes]

37. Exactly..

uncontrolled corporate power/capitalism run amok is the problem. They contain within themselves the seeds of their and our destruction. That is why they need to be regulated and controlled and for all of us to keep a close watch on them or we all end up in hell.

[marions ghost]

38. absolutely they in the big media suck

and I come from a family of journalists...who agree with you on all points, by the way. They say it in much more scathing terms than you have here. It is by now painfully obvious that Hillary is the anointed one and can do no wrong. To say she's being rammed down our throats is NOT too extreme. Just the latest example of conservative media influence over our whole society.

Most of the people I know will not vote for Hillary but I was surprised by a friend who said she would consider it. So I was trying to figure out why this highly intelligent, fairly well-informed individual (pushing forty) would even consider Hillary.

In addition to the points you made, there's another emotional component, esp with women but also found in men. It's hard to pin down. I'd call it the "vicarious fighter" identification. Like so many of us my friend has been personally affected by life under the Bushies and she has a lot of anger about all of it. She blames men for much of what is wrong in society (even tho she's married to one). She feels oppressed & victimized in general, and is still outraged by the swift-boating of the Clintons re Monicagate, which was indeed, outrageous. So she admires Hillary for coming back from that. She identifies with the "fighter" aspect of her public persona. You can really twist the minds of downtrodden personalities like my friend. Those who see Hill as a noble fighter (without considering her actual positions) are seeking an icon, not a candidate. There has never been a more critical time for looking at the real facts and getting beyond emotional needs for a savior.

When I ask my friend, what about Hillary on the issues? She just shrugs and says, oh none of them do what they say they'll do. She also voices the fearful, "look at the alternative." (Extreme fear of Repuglicans make some go for the 'safe' Hillary choice).

How have the spinners sold the 'status quo' candidate over the 'change' candidates? By appealing to our, and particularly women's, intense feelings of oppression.

Thanks for making the points, Mythsaje. It can't be said too much. What we are seeing is corporate media control at it's absolute worst.

[tom_paine]

40. Our media is the Soviet Media with blow dried hair and celebrity news

Really, it's almost down to that. If it weren't for the plausible deniability afforded by the New Censorship which allows the truth to escape in tiny venues where no one will see or know of it, but the Corporate Media Whores can say "we reported" and be technically truthful.

Lies of omission more than comission here. And the amazing way it has the same effect of more heavy-handed Soviet or Nazi propaganda is truly a credit to the progress and triumph of perception management, advertising and the sub-disciplines under the rubric of psychology.

Even as I watch it unfold and track it's progress, there is no question that the New Bushie Totalitarianism is a work of the Evil Genius of thousands.

Caesar is here, and it would be foolsish to think that they will relinquish their criminal, tyrannical power.

I think the best we can hope for is a brief respite before the Penultimate and Final Phases of the transition to BushPutinism under Empress Hillary. Buts omehow, I suspect that not even that will be permitted.

[truedelphi]

56. Yep if the Soviets had combined Britney with Pravda they'd

End up with something thatlooks a lot like CBS, ABC, or NBC

[Cha]

59. That's funny, true! In a

tragic, kinda fascist, way. :(

[snappyturtle]

42. Yep. Good rant.

:kick:

[SlingBlade]

43. Liberman Liberals Love Her

And she loves them. She was pulled away from the Liberman camp kicking and screaming then coughing up a paltry campaign donation to Lamont in the hope people wouldn't realize her corporate roots and personal affection for like minded politicians.
Unfortunately this post is spot on and nothing is going to change that.

Our options as progressive democrats are not limited to the corporate media.
We overcame these whores in 06 and we can do it again. Talk to your brethren democrats and shake them if you have to so they can be awoken from the trance crated by the idiot box. Personally, I know NO progressives who support a Hillary nomination.

Obama and Edwards both present a powerful opposition to the runaway train called Hillary and they, Either one of them CAN WIN !
Stay with it guy’s, Don't become suckered in by what the so called experts are saying.
They get one vote same as us and one vote more than them spells the end of this corporate DLC sponsored bait and switch now being perpetrated upon we progressives.
Hang in there and fight to the bloody end, We know the importance of this. Don't give up.:bounce:

[Enrique]

45. the media throws all sorts of bullshit at her

it's just like Al Gore, they're peddling myths about her.

[tex-wyo-dem]

48. True, the "news" media does its fair share of throwing out bullshit lies and...

distortions about Hillary, but there's a fair share of positive spin about her at the same time. The net effect is that they are talking about her, all the time, cementing the idea in the minds of those not fully paying attention that she's it. It's that old saying about there's no such thing as bad publicity working in real time. She's the media darling, the celebrity who would be president.

Obama gets some attention, but the rest of the candidates might as well not exist supporting the point of the OP that the media is picking our candidate for us.

Face it, the corporatocracy, the media, the MIC and the rest of the powers that be have pretty much given up on the GOP for this go-around...Hil is there man, I mean woman, and they will throw whatever support, money, etc. she needs to keep the status-quo (obscene corporate profits, war machine, etc.) rolling along.

[f the letter]

50. On NPR the other day a woman with three kids was talking about health care costs

And how it's $1900 and more to insure her family each month.


.... and then went on to say she supported _hillary clinton_ . i almost drove off the bridge. How do the people who stand to benefit most from another candidate as president still think she's the choice for health care? Or even peace?

Yes i am biased towards another candidate. But seriously, as a person concerned over health care cost/quality, how can you even look in her direction?

[flyarm]

51. and a big GIANT kick and r from me!! Thank You!!! well said ..

Hey Media..you suck!!..and we do know what you are doing!!

well well said..wish i could K&R 10 times!!

I am so sick of the bullshit..i have all but shut down the telly...only on for Keith!

fly

[SammyWinstonJack]

52. K&R!

:thumbsup:

[Yael]

53. This is BEAUTIFUL!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

:kick: and rec

[jimnasium]

58. Well put. K&R!

Maybe I've got a little too much tinfoil on my hat, but I think that HillCo and BushCo are in the process of a merger.

BushillCo, perhaps?

[HiddenInVA]

60. Good, but an error.....

You put the words "Journalistic" and "integrity" in the same sentence.
:rofl:

Sorry.... Just had to point that out... :)

[Cha]

61. Thanks for writing this, Mythsaje..

The corporatemediawhores in America need to go the way of the dino-saur!

Did you read what howie kurtz said about the Gore campaign? They(mediawhores)wanted a "contest" so they tried to spice it up(with lies, no doubt). That's their euphemistic garbage for.. rove promised them the fucking moon.

They're so freakin' obvious in their attempts to heighten hillary's chances for the dem nom..and then? Will they pull out their machetes for the well-oiled campaign?

[ooglymoogly]

62. would that the corporate noise read this.

[porphyrian]

64. You can say that a few more times. - n/t

[Blue Fire]

65. I'm not quite the most politically savvy person here, but when HRC was elected NY Senator,

my first thought was :wtf: ??

Isn't she from Arkansas????

These past 7 years have found me at least trying to see through the layers of bullshit that comprise so much of our political system. IMHO, the last thing this country needs is another corporate president. And it seems to me that HRC is corporate to the bone!

[T.Ruth2power]

68. Here are some rules of the thumb

Here are some rules of the thumb for all Americans to keep in mind in order to avoid by all means from being frustrated and disappointed afterwards:

1. A presidential candidate who receives money from the weapons industry and related agencies is guaranteed to continue to use the military to provoke more and more wars. This way, under the guise of "protection of democracy and freedom," "national defense and security," "waging war on terrorism," the US Congress will be coerced to put millions of dollars into the manufacture and sales of weapons and into the promulgation of more wars.

2. A presidential candidate who receives money from corporations that are polluting our air and water with toxics is guaranteed to be against restricting such industries from their continued emission of this lethal product. Let us keep in mind that the elected US President will spend billions of dollars for the financial benefit of such corporations as top priority.

3. A presidential candidate who receives money from pharmaceutical companies is guaranteed that, once he assumes the presidency, he will make sure that Americans are forced to purchase only American-made drugs, no matter how expensive they may be. In fact, those Americans who could get drugs from overseas for their numerous ailments are prohibited to do so by their government. In this regard, the official motto of such an elected US President may run as follows: "Buy only American drugs for your ailments; if you cannot afford it.... tough! I'd rather see Americans suffering and even dead rather than well and healthy while giving money to pharmaceutical companies overseas."

4. A presidential candidate who receives money from insurance companies is guaranteed to see to it that Americans would be forced to consume most of their paychecks in buying more insurance........ for their health, homes, cars, you name it! Such a president would never dream of providing Americans with a free health care system and with a free education like we have in quite few countries. Besides, the trend for privatization of anything possible will soon emerge.

The list of the sources from which US presidential candidates get their millions of dollars to finance their exorbitant campaign goes on and on. Briefly stated, Americans have a sacrosanct right to explore from where each presidential candidate is getting his money. As a result, Americans could predict the eventual performance of their next US President before it would be too late.


http://democracyrising.us/content/view/1072/164/

[gateley]

107. It's always the money. Always. nt

[riona]

69. I'll bet most Americans know more about

Britney Spears life than the Presidential candidates and how they stand on the issues. I love a good MSM rant
:bounce: :kick:

[digidigido]

70. MSM

It's very simple. Boycott mainstream media until they represent us. Give up aol and time warner
stop watching cable TV until it stops including FOX. Show them that we won't support them
if they spew propaganda instead of truth. Get a subscription to McClatchy newspapers. Find an
independent internet provider. We are asking politicians to put their money where their mouths are
we should too. Show the MSM there is a price for lies, and that people aren't as stupid as they think.
Make congressmen and Senators understand that they may lose their seats if they don't start
representing the will of the people. If we do all we can do, they will see that there are consequences

[anitar1]

71. k&r proud to make an even 100. n/t

[Wil]

72. Dem and Rep leaders

They're all the same:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Backing_down_on_demands_for_Iraq_1005.html

What is to be done?

[Mythsaje]

79. Not the same...

Just not necessarily different ENOUGH. There was a time, long ago, when businesses were licensed to operate for the public good, not just for the bottom line. The founding fathers were actually VERY concerned about the possibility of corporations gaining too much political power while holding very little responsibility for their actions. With the onset of the ridiculous notion of "corporate personhood" this fear became a SERIOUS concern, because people then starting assuming that they possessed the same rights as REAL citizens, including identifying advertising as the same thing as "free speech."

It's not and should never have been.

They need to learn to serve the public good once again. Or lose their licenses and/or assets. Simple as that.

[coznfx]

95. Damn Straight!

Especially the part: "Or lose their licenses and/or assets" If gov't can freeze assets of foreign countries, and basically steal them saying " Nyah nyah nyah whatcha gonna do about it?", it can and should purposefully and perfunctorily remove from 'Big Business' the obscene lucre being gouged from us all - and put it to good use ...

Free Universal Health Care for all ... and/or ...

Free Education up to a Bachelor's Degree for anyone willing to earn it ... and/or ...

Elimination of hunger in America ... anything for God's sake other than letting those vile greedy bastards have more money than their entire families for generations could possibly squander.

No need to leave 'em penniless, let 'em keep a couple of million. My belief is that no individual or familial unit in this country needs, deserves, or should be legally allowed to keep more than, say, $ 2 mil per year from all sources of income combined. Hell a family of 100 people with just one income of $ 2 mil per year (applied with a smidgen of intelligence) could all still practically be living like kings!

I say bring back the old 90% tax rate on everything over $ 2 mil per year. When the pricks cry about all their ill-gotten gains being 'stolen' from them, the gov't can tell them what they basically have been telling the rest of us for decades: "Too bad! Deal with it!" And show some gratitude we let you keep $2 mil or we'll take that too and drop you into the ghetto face-to-face with the people whose lives you have been ruining for years. Bastards

[RiverStone]

75. Too bad the only ones reading this are US

Great post Mythsaje!

Yep, the tail is wagging the dog for Hillary alright. The MSM, Corporations, and Party elite are all in bed together. As ya know, just follow the money. I sure as hell hope we all get surprised and HRC is NOT the nominee - for the lines between her and the rethugs blurs more everyday.

I'll fight like hell for DK; but in the end I'm on record as voting DEM in the General regardless, simply because it would be a choice between the lessor of two evils.

I wish John Q. Public could read your post (we ARE the GOOD guys) so it's no news to us; but it would be to all the sheep who are being lead by their nose ring. Fucking Media Whores - ya got that! Most folks have no clue....


peace~ :)

[AzDar]

78. Let's not 'get fooled again'.

:kick:

[NanceGreggs]

80. Well, I guess it's up to me to give this thread a kick ...

... and a REC, so maybe it will get noticed!!!

VERY well said, my friend. :applause:

[Mythsaje]

81. LOL...Yeah, it's obviously one of my less popular rants.

Think it gets the message across?

[NanceGreggs]

83. Hmmmm ...

I'd have to say YES, YES and YES!!!

[info being]

82. If it works, Americans deserve her.

Just too bad the rest of the world will have to suffer.

[Mythsaje]

84. Yeah, regardless of the fact that so many of us are fighting against it...

WE "deserve it."

Well, then, so does everyone else who stands by and says nothing...including the rest of the world.

[MyNameGoesHere]

85. I love this part of the "post"

Maybe Hillary IS popular with a certain breed of Democrat. The kind that doesn't really pay attention the issues, the kind that doesn't really mind that certain industries have more or less paid the bill for her candidacy and we're supposed to simply look the other way. The kind that are polling based on name recognition and a certain misplaced sense of nostalgia for the "good old days" when Bill was President and the rest of the world didn't think we were a bunch of ignorant wankers.

I was not aware that we have "breeds" of democrats. I guess i am the "monkey flying out my ass" breed of democrat. Is that on your list?

[Mythsaje]

86. It is now...

I accept all self-identification categories.

[MyNameGoesHere]

87. Whoo Hoo! Thanks n/t

[BelgianMadCow]

88. Very commendable sentiment about the corporate media

[stlsaxman]

89. Stephanopolus has said "Hillary running for president in '08" once in EVERY show

since he started hosting "This Week".

Is there any way to research transcripts of ABC's This Week to find out if that's true?

It sure seems like it's true...


:shrug:

[autorank]

90. K*R - better late than never. You nailed it!!!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[MrMickeysMom]

91. Allow me to K&R (you may speak for me, too... meow)

[rhett o rick]

92. I am old and have lived thru many an election. Bless you that think we live in a

democracy with free elections and year after year think, "maybe next year everything will be fine". I forget the exact definition of insanity but it certainly can be characterized by poor hapless Charles Brown trying year after year to kick the football in Lucy's grasp. Sorry Charles but Lucy will never actually let you kick the ball and the rich will never actually let us peons have any control. We almost had it when Carter snuck or sneaked into the presidency, but the rich corporitists quickly cut him down.

I believe that Mrs. Clinton is a tool of the rich corporitists and I have decided not to support her in the general. Oh yes i believe she will win the nomination after all she has the backing of the corporatist media and all the big money. And I say to those of you that still hang on to the "best of evils" strategy, i think that strategy is bull shit. If we are going to be a corporatist state (read fascist) then bring it on quickly so we can get it over and have our (insert the R word here). It is like boiling the frog. Maybe if tyranny comes quickly, people will revolt and have a change for reestablishing democracy. But if it comes slowly, via Democrat corporitists it may be too late when the people (frog) finds out the temperature is too high and they (we) are boiled.

At least for the last seven years this nation has sunk farther and farther into tyranny and the major Democratic candidates aren't even objecting.

Reestablishing democracy, i.e. reestablishing habeas corpus, stop illegal spying, stop torture, repeal the MCA and the Patriot Act, etc. have to be the top priorities. Without them, all is lost.

I believe we have gone past the tipping point and we won't recover without a (add dreaded R word here). Mrs. Clinton would only postpone the inevitable.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

94. you express my thoughts eloquently...thank you

[bluerum]

97. They stink too. Like a dead skunk in the middle of the road.

[mod mom]

98. Appearing on 5 different talkshows on 1 Sunday-is that blatant or what. I wish

we could start the Progressive States of America where people adhere to the constitution, the laws apply to all, people seek peace and social justice, and fair trade is the rule of the land.

[jillan]

101. Appearing on 5 Sunday shows in one day - and not making any news

(how is that possible) and then have the MSM rant and rave about how wonderful she is.

[mod mom]

104. and think about how corporate media treated her "laugh" vs that of Howard Dean.

It makes your blood boil.

[jillan]

106. I didn't even think about that -

My blood has been boiling alot lately... and alot of it is due to what this thread is all about.

[PatSeg]

99. I was just discussing this with someone

and I have to say you've nailed it. As many people here have said, I do not know ONE single person in real life who is supporting Hillary and I smell something really rotten going on. I am not dissing her, but I don't want the media making my choices for me. It is beginning to feel like Hillary is the candidate that the republicans want.

Great post!

[jillan]

102. I can't give this thread a rec because it's over 24 hours - but I kicked it

3 times.

Great thread!

[gateley]

108. And a kick from me, too. I want everybody to get a chance to see this thread. nt

[mrigirl]

111. kick