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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:03 AM Original message |
24 illegal song downloads cost US woman $220,000 |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
1. That's a tough issue. While it IS a clear violation of copyright law to download... |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
2. That's insane |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. The 2nd paragraph |
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Roon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
3. Allow them to download |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:17 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. You think the only idiots at concerts |
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Roon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. they're mostly kids eom |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I think that would make for a much worse show experience |
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Roon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Oh, you might be right |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
106. isnt that what concerts cost now? |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
6. What's with the MSM headline? Downloading and sharing are 2 different things! |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Original writers don't do the headlines... |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 02:04 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Right, and absolutely not blaming you... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Nope |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Uh, I wasn't claiming otherwise. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Easy |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Ohhh okay. I understand now. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 02:24 AM Response to Original message |
12. That shit shocks the conscience. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 07:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. If she was providing access to copyrighted materials... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Laws that are written by *industry lobbyists* don't deserve our respect. |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. So you are saying that the US Code in general doesn't deserve respect becaue of lobbying? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
98. Yep. That's exactly what it means. The jury system is a CHECK against the power of the legislature |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #23 |
43. I've got news for you... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
100. What absolute tosh. The "natural rights" concept of copyright is alien to US law... |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
111. riaa can't even prove the songs she allegedly shared were downloadwed even once.. |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
32. Appeal on what grounds? "This verdict sucks" doesn't qualify. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #32 |
44. 8th Amendment violation. See #42 |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
59. Hmmm, I like. Excessive fines does apply to civil forfitures. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
14. she should have settled. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #14 |
31. Thats the problem with our legal system |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. That is a problem, but it doesn't apply to this case. Her liability is fairly clear. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. The draconian laws do. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #35 |
45. For distributing stolen gods? Sounds about right to me. (NT) |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. You're insane. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. No, I understand the law. She stole the goods and then re-distributed them. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I know what the law is. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Then lobby your representatives to change it. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Bull shit. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. The fine, per item of stolen property, wasn't very high. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. All right Im done talking to you. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Whatever you say. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
101. "Stolen gods"! Freudian post o' the week. |
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tchunter (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. i disagree with the amount of the fine... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
15. This Woman and Her Lawyer Are Idiots |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
38. The judge approves the instructions |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Get this: |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. Judge in this case doesn't have to follow UMG v. Lindor. That case was E.D. of New York. |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #15 |
41. Her lawyer doesn't seem to be an idiot. Made $60K on a hopeless case. Unethical, otoh... |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #41 |
55. You assume the record industry wanted to settle. |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. They have settled every other case so far. n/t |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
76. That's because they have gotten summary judgment |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #76 |
110. Defendant in this case indicated she refused a settlement offer. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #15 |
47. Maybe they knew the answer. |
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Parche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
17. Welcome Back |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
19. I think the amount of money is ridiculous, but she did break the law |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Regardless there is no excuse for the awful copyright laws. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #25 |
37. Yes I agree wtih that completely |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #25 |
48. Her life wasn't ruined by downloading. her life was ruined by providing stolen goods... |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. Her life is ruined from draconian copyright laws that make no damn sense. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. She stole another's Intellectual Property. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. I'm amazed that *anyone* thinks 200k fines is fair for sharing songs. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. And I'm amazed that allegedly-moral people *DON'T GET IT*. So it goes. (NT) |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. It's moral to charge someone 200k for sharing songs? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. When they don't have the right to share those songs? Yup, sounds okay to me. (NT) |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Well thats simply not a viewpoint I'd be proud of at all. (NT) |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. As you wish. (NT) |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #90 |
104. How about mandatory life in prison? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
20. Where do they find these HATEFUL juries??? |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Exactly. |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
24. I don't get the paranoia over sharing.... |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
88. I think the problem is many people do like the song well enough but they don't buy it. |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
26. I don't get it! If I buy a used CD from an acquaintance, then |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
27. So sharing songs has the same punishment as outing a CIA agent. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. if I were a billionare, I'd give her the money |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. ... |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Right On Beelzebud! When stock shares for music companies |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. The songs I downloaded, I have purchased previously in the form of cassettes/ albums/cds, many |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #40 |
54. Then you an your defend your downloads. But she was re-distributing the material... |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. So a 200k charge is fair? She was sharing songs, not reselling them. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Try this: |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. No it isn't the same thing at all. If it was, she'd be charged with a felony. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. She didn't get in trouble for the download. She got in trouble for the sharing back out. (NT) |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #73 |
89. Tell that Microsoft or Cisco or Adobe or McAfee or ... |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. I've never heard of those companies suing middle class people for hundreds of thousands of dollars.. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Then you're not paying attention. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Two things... |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #69 |
102. Your analogy fails a bit: |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Even a copy of the jewesl diminishes the value of the jewels. (NT) |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. true, but by much less - by orders of magnitude less. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
39. Copyright laws are one of the most abuse laws by Corporations |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
42. She needs to appeal to a higher court. The law is unconstitutional. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. I think not. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. It doesnt matter. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. I guess some feel that financial ruin is justified... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. Ahh: Robin Hood speaks! (NT) |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Let me guess. You are either a lawyer, or work in the music industry? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. None of the above! |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #80 |
92. Hey Tesha... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Yes, I saw you on the other thread. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. It is not a fine |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Do you think she did 220,000$ worth of damages to the recording industry? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #63 |
74. Fines are often far in excess of any actual damages. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. I thought I said I was done arguing with you... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. So sue me. (NT) |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. Why do you keep calling this a fine? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Xithras brings up an interesting point below in regards to the ambiguity. |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I agree |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. I wonder how that point could be argued. |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
108. I REALLY like your reasoning. n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
51. In all fairness, they were the greatest hits of the Bay City Rollers |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
96. therefore, the RIAA should PAY HER! |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
109. I hope "99 Luft ballons" was worth it to her. |
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