Of all the choices, Hillary Clinton should be your last

[mudesi]

http://imgred.com/

John Edwards, and even Joe Biden are more liberal then she. Obama, while economically more to the left, is a little too far in the authoritarian range compared to her.

Why in the world would one support Hillary Clinton in the primary? I understand supporting her in the general election, given where all those Republicans are in the graph above, but the primaries are the time to get the most liberal Democrat into the race, not the most conservative!

In a perfect world, of course, all of DU ought to be supporting Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel.

Edit for the source: The Political Compass is reputable

[Richard Steele]

1. She is. nm

[ncteechur]

2. And your graph is based on???

[hootinholler]

50. GO take the test yourself.

At politicalcompass.org.

Where do you fall? Which candidate is closest to you?

-Hoot

[Critters2]

51. I just did.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31


Looks like I'm closest to Mike Gravel.

[MzNov]

3. I have this fantasy candidate...

as intelligent and well-connected as HRC;
as labor friendly as John Edwards;
as personable as Barrack Obama;
as direct as Joe Biden;
as qualified as Gov. Bill Richardson;
as against the illegal invastion as Ron Paul;
as environmentally.....


Oh my gawd.

My fantasy candidate is AL GORE !!!!


Draft Al Gore :bounce: :bounce:

[kimmerspixelated]

20. My thoughts exactly!!!

[Sick_of_Rethuggery]

61. Personable, eh?

Obama is easily the most intelligent *and* the most thoughtful of the lot, and none of them is a slouch either.

But personable, huh?

[rateyes]

4. That is a disturbing picture...

It seems that all of the Republicans and all but two of the Democrats running for POTUS are in the Upper Right Quadrant. So, if this is true, it looks like we're going to have a "right leaning authoritarian" as POTUS.

Uuuuuggggghhhh.

[cali]

9. LOL!

Hard not to laugh at anyone who actually bases any opinion on this at all.

[rateyes]

11. Sorry you can't read...

I said "if this is true." Now, go away.

[cali]

5. She is my last choice, but not because

of that ridiculous graph.

[Ilsa]

6. Technically, Richardson looks worse. But I don't see why when he is

for a much more rapid redeployment of troops from Iraq. He appears to equal Hillary on the L vs R axis and is more authoritarian.

[napi21]

7. Hillary might be very close to the middle, but that's where you have to be

to WIN! I admit, my ideal candidate would want socialised health care, pull out of Iraq completely, pull out of all our foreign bases, increase taxes on those who can afford it, stop subsidising any businesses, etc. etc.

That's just not where the Country is. I think the most important thing in the 08 election is to get a Dem to win, not worrying on ideals. It scares me to death th think about what our country would be like if the SC gets backed with RW judges!

[ShortnFiery]

31. The illustrious "centrists" have duped those of us on the left "time after time" to vote for

their milque toast candidates, but not this time.

All of those who identify with the Clintonian DLC have repeatedly proved themselves to extol the values of moderate republicans. They need to be TRUE to themselves and get the hell out of the Democratic Party.

The Democratic Party has traditionally been for *WORKING AMERICANS* not the investor classes and mega-corporations. If we can cast out the DLCers, perhaps we can get back to the PLATFORM and VALUE SYSTEM that made The Democratic THE PARTY of The American People NOT first for The American Political Royals. :shrug:

[Vincardog]

38. The choice is not Hillary or a Repub the Choice is Which Democrat do we want?

I pick Gore then DK

[bvar22]

45. Hillary close to "The Middle"? Not so.

Where is "The Center"?
Here is what the MAJORITY of Americans (Democrats AND Republicans) want from OUR government!

In recent polls by the Pew Research Group, the Opinion Research Corporation, the Wall Street Journal, and CBS News, the American majority has made clear how it feels. Look at how the majority feels about some of the issues that you'd think would be gospel to a real Democratic Party:

1. 65 percent (of ALL Americans, Democrats AND Republicans) say the government should guarantee health insurance for everyone -- even if it means raising taxes.

2. 86 percent favor raising the minimum wage (including 79 percent of selfdescribed "social conservatives").

3. 60 percent favor repealing either all of Bush's tax cuts or at least those cuts that went to the rich.

4. 66 percent would reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

5. 77 percent believe the country should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment.

6. 87 percent think big oil corporations are gouging consumers, and 80 percent (including 76 percent of Republicans) would support a windfall profits tax on the oil giants if the revenues went for more research on alternative fuels.

7. 69 percent agree that corporate offshoring of jobs is bad for the U.S. economy (78 percent of "disaffected" voters think this), and only 22% believe offshoring is good because "it keeps costs down."

http://alternet.org/story/29788/

8. Over 63% oppose the War on the Iraqi People.

9. 92% of ALL Americans support TRANSPARENT, VERIFIABLE elections!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x446445

The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[Odin2005]

8. Not THAT chart again. *moan*

I have already mentioned why I disagree with where they place the various politicians on the chart, either that or else most DUers really aren't in the far lower left corner.

[cascadiance]

26. I can't believe our candidate that supports a flat income tax is "the most left"

that is showing here. Mike Gravel should be more in the purple zone (probably still lower on the authoritarian scale as he does want more government by citizen votes through propositions, etc.), but more on the right side of the graph. I wonder what criteria they are using to rank them here. I'm thinking that the criteria isn't as robust as it should be.

Given that, I also wonder how accurate the placement of some of the other candidates are as well. I personally would put Hillary higher up on the authoritarian list, but I guess one would have to study the questions more to find out what's being measured.

[Critters2]

53. I'm in the far lower left corner.

More so than any candidate.

[ThomWV]

10. Sheeeeitttttt ... I didn't need a graph to tell me she should be my last choice.

I knew it the day she voted for the war and every day since that she has not admitted it a mistake and attoned for it.

[Individualist]

15. Hear, hear!

:applause:

[Lucinda]

12. Ya know...I'd rather listen to the voices in my head

than let a color block chart tell me what to do.

But that's just me. :D

[EFerrari]

13. She's not a choice of mine at all. n/t

[NotGivingUp]

14. i was going to say she IS my last....but i won't vote for her period. n/t

[Individualist]

16. She isn't among my choices at all

Hell will freeze over before I'd vote for a DLCer.

[EFerrari]

17. According to this chart, HRC is closer to Duncan Hunter

than she is to my values.

I wouldn't mind so much if she just came out and came clean about her corporate connections -- which basically translates into contempt for the electorate. If she had the sand to take a position on anything, I'd respect her so much more. But, that isn't going to happen. HRC is a product, not a statesman.

I hope you all have a good shopping experience.

[scarletwoman]

54. "I hope you all have a good shopping experience." Oh, SNAP!

Well said!

"HRC is a product, not a statesman."

I like that line too, although I see a rather different metaphor.

It must be kept in mind that in the world of commercial advertising -- that is, the very faction of our country's current economic order upon whom the survival of ALL mass media depends -- in the world of commercial advertising it is WE who are the product being sold.

Mass media sells US to advertisers, by promising them that they will lasso and corral and brand more of us than their competitors.

Hillary Clinton is not the product, she's the broker promising the financial elite that she can lasso and corral and brand more of us than her competitors. We are the products, programmed by the mass media to produce happy results for our capitalist overlords.

sw

[Deep13]

18. Counterpoint: why she should be first.

Because she can handle the job. It does not matter how much a candidate agrees with you if he or she cannot manage the office. I don't agree with HRC on a lot of things. Nevertheless, I don't have to worry about her getting drunk and starting World War Three. (I'm looking at you, Bush.) Frankly, that clump where most of the candidates are is also where most of the country is. (I'm not.)

I really like that Gravel guy when it comes to economic matters. I really like Kucinich's commitment to peace and social justice. I really admire Richardson's achievements as a diplomat. Still, I gottah say, I'm warming up to HRC.

[wiley]

19. I was going to ignore this post but I noticed a strange

pattern of six or seven of the same people starting and posting on ridiculously anti-Hillary posts. These are the things that make Obama and Edwards look silly, despite their qualifications and skills. This is really one of the all time stupidest posts on DU.

[frazzled]

25. Why would some dumbass post on DU

regarding Hillary make Obama or Edwards look bad? They didn't post it. And the poster isn't an Obama or Edwards supporter even. S/he is for Kucinich or Gravel (the latter being dead last, of course, on my list, on account of sheer nuttiness; but whatever).

Both the slavishly pro- and the radibly anti- posts for (or against) any candidate are starting to get on my nerves. They don't convince me of anything. Sort of like a drunken discussion in a sports bar over who deserves to win the playoffs. (That said, Go Cubbies.)

[wiley]

62. Because when the level of discourse gets this low, it seems to

reach out to others not enmeshed in a DU fracas. The message sent: Those front runners are hacking away at each other, just look at what their supporters are doing and saying. Although there is the belief that one inspired volunteer for a candidate can really inspire many others to actually show up at the polls and vote for that candidate, the fact is that most people see things more as a collage and general impressions. They have lives outside of DU, in a word. Abetted by the media, whose interests lie almost exclusively in creating a compelling psychodrama or sordid horse race to keep people addicted to the next drama, enthralled like someone viewing car wreck carnage, or confused by the lack of logical didactic storylines from their TVs or radio or Internet spots. When was the last time that a majority of registered voters in this country actually voted?

So creating this level of discourse always appears to be, and usually is, the desperate attempts of some other candidate's supporters to create a situation where people feel exasperated to the point of considering voting for someone like Kucinich or Gravel. It's a pity that someone like Kucinich is constantly represented by such people, but I work with many progressive and professional societies who always seem to quickly devolve due to really petty, internicine warfare. Then again, it's also a tactic of the one issue people, lone or minority dissenters, and those whose real goal is solely to continue to raise doubts and prevent decision making by potential voters. That's allowed in a Democracy. It's way more irritating than a sports bar conversation or Mike who does the aftershow sports commentary. What is the actual goal of a drunken sports bar discussion about who deserves to win the playoffs. Is there really one besides decompressing or acting out with friends and fellow drinkers?

This is standard fare for Republicans, and even some Democrats who have no or who have lost the ability to generate ongoing traction amongst potential voters. The perfect environment for such arts is a slavishly pro, rabidly anti level of discourse. (We should think of a better expression that slavishly pro, BTW). The original poster of this message says the Truth Hurts, blah, blah, blah like some drunken gotcha game. I have an 8 year old son with far more sophisticated debating skills, and at times I think the electorate would be better served if he voted rather than some people who post on this board. Fortunately, there are many DU members- some who don't even support Hillary Clinton! - who avoid stooping to this level of discourse. But it's election season and people can get really stupid, ugly, mean and lose all focus on what the elections could actually accomplish in the lives of the people of this country - while Republicans never seem to lose their simple-minded committment to creating distortions of the truth for their own financial, above all, and rigid,self-promoting and stultifying fringe ideologies.

That said, Go Phillies!

[mudesi]

29. The truth may hurt

But it is, nevertheless, the truth.

Mrs. Clinton is one of the more conservative of the Democratic presidential candidates. Socially, she is more liberal than several, but economically, she is in the pocket of the corporations. Not just because the Political Compass says so (even though their analysis is accurate), but because it's the truth.

[bvar22]

49. "Socially Liberal" is a myth.

The NUMBER ONE Social Issue IS Economic Fairness.

*Single Payer Universal HealthCare IS the #1 Women's Issue.

*Single Payer Universal HealthCare IS the #1 GLBT Issue.

*Single Payer Universal HealthCare IS the #1 Children's Issue.

*Single Payer Universal HealthCare IS the #1 Racial Issue.

*Single Payer Universal HealthCare IS the #1 Poverty Issue.

Anyone who supports (and is supported by) the FOR PROFIT Insurance Corps and HMOs cannot be considered "Socially Liberal".

[hootinholler]

52. Well said! n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

58. Thanks for telling us what we're allowed to think.

I wonder where you sit on that graph. :shrug:

edit: and, for the record, I support a SPHC system, too.

[wiley]

63. Best tagline, ever.

Unfortunately, Gore is not running for President and no candiate regardless of whether they become President or not will be able to quickly dissemble the chokehold that industries have on health care in this country. HRC may not have the perfect health plan, but it just may be the only one that will work - as a start.

[Warren DeMontague]

65. FWIW, I'm gonna vote my conscience in the primary.

As you say, Gore probably isn't running- I haven't given up hope, yet, but if we don't hear something by the end of the month I'd say it's a done deal he won't- so I'll probably vote for Kucinich, maybe Edwards. We'll see.

Then I will support our nominee, whoever he or she may be. And I think it's ludicrous to go after Hillary for her health plan, which is by most accounts nearly identical to Edwards's and Obama's.

I agree with what you said. It's unfortunate, but if we can't get a Single Payer system going here in California, it's not too likely we can get one to fly for the whole country. Not yet. But if there is a solution that works now and gets the 45 million uninsured Americans insured- that makes sure insurance companies can't deny coverage for pre-existing conditions or gouge people for them.. That's sure as shit better than nothing.

[journalist3072]

21. Who do you think you are, to tell me who my last choice should be?

More typical group think here on DU.

I don't need you to tell me who my last choice for President should be.

I'm quite capable of determining on my own who I want to vote for...based on who I (not you) feel represents my interests and values.

I'm really sick of the group think here on DU.

[EFerrari]

22. Group think is obnoxious but this is supposed to be a progressive site

and Clinton is right of Richard Nixon.

[journalist3072]

43. She's to the right of Richard Nixon? Keep believing that, if it makes you feel any better

Did Richard Nixon ever call for universal health care?

Did Richard Nixon ever support DC voting rights?

Did he ever work for Marian Wright Edelman at the Children's Defense Fund?

Did he ever speak out in support of a woman's right to choose?

I could go on...

[EFerrari]

47. Or better, you could google NIxon policy.

Something every journalist should know how to do.

[bvar22]

60. Hillary is not now, nor has she ever been FOR Universal HealthCare.

Hillary is FOR Universal MANDATORY For Profit Private Health Insurance.

Hillary, her corporate handlers, and her misguided fans have inappropriately and disingenuously called her plan "Universal HealthCare", though it does NOT EVEN RESEMBLE what the rest of the civilized World knows as Universal HealthCare.


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[mudesi]

24. Your name should be Irony

You're sick of group think on DU?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[journalist3072]

40. Yes, I am. eom

[Jane Austin]

23. Obama's Senate voting record is more liberal than Kucinich's.

Can't remember where I read it, but it might have been here on DU.

[Maribelle]

27. Hillary is my last choice.

I will not be making any more.

And your OP is bogus, with absolutely no factual data backing up your cute widdle red and blue dots. And the quality of the graphic is poor, on top of the bogus widdle dots.

[jillan]

28. This Biden supporter likes that chart :)

Almost as liberal as Edwards - perfect!

[ShortnFiery]

30. I have in the past, but I promised myself to not ever vote for another Clintonian DLCer.

:thumbsdown:

[Maribelle]

32. Barack Obama

Barack Obama is a Hard-Core Liberal.



Based on the VoteMatch Question & Answer

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Abortion is a woman's right
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Require hiring more women & minorities
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Same-sex domestic partnership benefits
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Teacher-led prayer in public schools
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 5:
More federal funding for health coverage
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 7:
Parents choose schools via vouchers
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 8:
Death Penalty
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 9:
Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 11:
Repeal tax cuts on wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 12:
Illegal immigrants earn citizenship
(+5 points on Social scale)

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Support & expand free trade
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 14:
The Patriot Act harms civil liberties
(+5 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 15:
Expand the armed forces
(-3 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 16:
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 17:
US out of Iraq
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Replace coal & oil with alternatives
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 19:
Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it
(-3 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 20:
Allow churches to provide welfare services
(+2 points on Economic scale)

[Maribelle]

33. John Edwards

John Edwards is a Populist-Leaning Liberal.




VoteMatch Question & Answer

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's right
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Require hiring more women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Same-sex domestic partnership benefits
(+5 points on Social scale)

No opinion on topic 4:
Teacher-led prayer in public schools
(0 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 5:
More federal funding for health coverage
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Parents choose schools via vouchers
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 8:
Death Penalty
(-3 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 9:
Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws
(+2 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 11:
Repeal tax cuts on wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 12:
Illegal immigrants earn citizenship
(+5 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 14:
The Patriot Act harms civil liberties
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 15:
Expand the armed forces
(-5 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 16:
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 17:
US out of Iraq
(+2 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 18:
Replace coal & oil with alternatives
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 19:
Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it
(+5 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 20:
Allow churches to provide welfare services
(-3 points on Economic scale)

[Maribelle]

34. Bill Richardson

Bill Richardson is a Moderate Liberal.




VoteMatch Question & Answer

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's right
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Require hiring more women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Same-sex domestic partnership benefits
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 4:
Teacher-led prayer in public schools
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 5:
More federal funding for health coverage
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 7:
Parents choose schools via vouchers
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 8:
Death Penalty
(-5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 9:
Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws
(-5 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(+2 points on Economic scale)

Neutral on topic 11:
Repeal tax cuts on wealthy
(0 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 12:
Illegal immigrants earn citizenship
(+2 points on Social scale)

Neutral on topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(0 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 14:
The Patriot Act harms civil liberties
(+2 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 15:
Expand the armed forces
(-3 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 16:
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 17:
US out of Iraq
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Replace coal & oil with alternatives
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 19:
Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it
(-3 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 20:
Allow churches to provide welfare services
(+2 points on Economic scale)

[Maribelle]

35. Joe Biden

Joe Biden is a Hard-Core Liberal.



VoteMatch Question & Answer

Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's right
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Require hiring more women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Same-sex domestic partnership benefits
(+5 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 4:
Teacher-led prayer in public schools
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 5:
More federal funding for health coverage
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 7:
Parents choose schools via vouchers
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 8:
Death Penalty
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 9:
Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 11:
Repeal tax cuts on wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 12:
Illegal immigrants earn citizenship
(+2 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(+2 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 14:
The Patriot Act harms civil liberties
(+5 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 15:
Expand the armed forces
(-3 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 16:
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 17:
US out of Iraq
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Replace coal & oil with alternatives
(-5 points on Economic scale)

No opinion on topic 19:
Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it
(0 points on Social scale)

No opinion on topic 20:
Allow churches to provide welfare services
(0 points on Economic scale)

[Maribelle]

36. Dennis Kucinich

Dennis Kucinich is a Populist-Leaning Liberal.



VoteMatch Question & Answer

Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's right
(7 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Require companies to hire more women & minorities
(0 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Sexual orientation protected by civil rights laws
(10 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 4:
Teach family values in public schools
(7 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 5:
More federal funding for health coverage
(0 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(0 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Parents choose schools via vouchers
(0 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 8:
Death Penalty
(10 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 9:
Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws
(10 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(0 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 11:
Decrease overall taxation of the wealthy
(0 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 12:
Illegal immigrants earn citizenship
(10 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(0 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 14:
The Patriot Act harms civil liberties
(0 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 15:
More spending on armed forces
(10 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 16:
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
(2 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 17:
Replace US troops with UN in Iraq
(0 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Replace coal & oil with alternatives
(0 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 19:
Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it
(10 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 20:
Allow churches to provide welfare services
(7 points on Social scale)

[JohnLocke]

37. Bogus graph (nt).

[Maribelle]

39. Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton is a Hard-Core Liberal.



VoteMatch Question & Answer

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's right
(+5 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 2:
Require hiring more women & minorities
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Same-sex domestic partnership benefits
(+5 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 4:
Teacher-led prayer in public schools
(+2 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 5:
More federal funding for health coverage
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Parents choose schools via vouchers
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 8:
Death Penalty
(+2 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 9:
Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 11:
Repeal tax cuts on wealthy
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 12:
Illegal immigrants earn citizenship
(+5 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 14:
The Patriot Act harms civil liberties
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 15:
Expand the armed forces
(+5 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 16:
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 17:
US out of Iraq
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Replace coal & oil with alternatives
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 19:
Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it
(+5 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 20:
Allow churches to provide welfare services
(+2 points on Economic scale)

[Maribelle]

41. Rudy Giuliani

Rudy Giuliani is a Moderate Libertarian Conservative



VoteMatch Question & Answer

Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's right
(+2 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 2:
Require hiring more women & minorities
(+2 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Same-sex domestic partnership benefits
(+5 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 4:
Teacher-led prayer in public schools
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 5:
More federal funding for health coverage
(+5 points on Economic scale)

No opinion on topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(0 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 7:
Parents choose schools via vouchers
(+5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 8:
Death Penalty
(-5 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 9:
Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws
(-3 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)

No opinion on topic 11:
Repeal tax cuts on wealthy
(0 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 12:
Illegal immigrants earn citizenship
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(+5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 14:
The Patriot Act harms civil liberties
(-5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 15:
Expand the armed forces
(-5 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 16:
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 17:
US out of Iraq
(-3 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 18:
Replace coal & oil with alternatives
(+2 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 19:
Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it
(-5 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 20:
Allow churches to provide welfare services
(+2 points on Economic scale)

[Maribelle]

42. Baby Bush, Cheney, Fred Thompson

George W. Bush is a Populist-Leaning Conservative.





Dick Cheney is a Libertarian-Leaning Conservative.





Fred Thompson is a Hard-Core Conservative.

[emilyg]

44. She's my first choice.

[robcon]

46. I choose Hillary

All the other candidates are fine except Kucinich, but Hillary is the one I'd like as president.

[mondo joe]

48. And yet she's less Authoritarian than Obama, and par with Edwards.

I'm not advocating for any ONE candidate - I probably like Edwards best. But one reason to support someone in the primarys is that you believe they can win the general.

[illinoisprogressive]

55. She is so right and with her tendencies to hawkishness and queen of the DLC....

[Katherine Brengle]

56. I think it's laughable how conservative almost ALL of them are.

What the fuck is the point?

There are few true liberals in the US government.

[Warren DeMontague]

57. Sure, if the only thing you give a shit about is the left-right economic axis.

The whole point of the political compass, however, is that some of us are also concerned about personal freedom issues as defined by the libertarian/authoritarian axis.

From where I sit, Gravel is the best, then Kucinich- but Hillary and Edwards look better than most of the rest of the Democrats. I think Biden's wonderful RAVE act (cough) ought to earn him a lifetime spot right at the very top of the graph, frankly. And Richardson looks like an ass.

Funny, I'm not inclined to vote for Hillary in the primary, but the more people tell me I have to hate her, the better she looks.

[mondo joe]

59. You're not the only one. The ludicrous attacks against Hillary make me find her more appealing.

Anyone who incites this sort of rabid hysteria must be doing something right.

[wiley]

64. Yup.

Spot on. I sometimes wonder if these people ever actually find the inspiration to make it to the polls. Yet those far right people seem to have no problem taking over whole states whipped into a frenzy about two guys or gals having the same rights as any other two people in a union.

That said, Go Larry Craig! Hang in there! Don't fly in any small aircraft and stick to big airport planes. You have rights. Republicans owe it to the unblemished ethical record of the Senate to hold hearings!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. Yeah

I thought I was reading the axis wrong...

Hillary appears to be one of the better candidates on individual liberties though not nearly as good as I would like...But I also realize what I "like" is probably not politically realistic...

That being said , I want to see the less fortunate taken care of, but I am not willing to trade my liberty for a better health care program... It's no different than surrendering my individual liberty to the Bush* administration to help the fight against terrorism...

As Benjamin Franklin said " Those who surrender freedom for security deserve neither."

[mmonk]

66. Your graph is flawed.

Ron Paul an authoritarian? Bill Richardson, a civil libertarian is right authoritarian? Chris Dodd, the constitutionalist and fighter for habeas corpus on the authoritarian right?

[Hepburn]

68. I totally adopt your statement:

"Why in the world would one support Hillary Clinton in the primary? I understand supporting her in the general election, given where all those Republicans are in the graph above, but the primaries are the time to get the most liberal Democrat into the race, not the most conservative!"

I have NEVER liked Hillary at any time ~~ including when she was First Lady. I have really, really been facing what seemed like an insurmountable wall about voting for her in any manner. OK, if she is the Dem nominee for the 2008 General Election, then I will vote for her because when I look at that graph you presented, the Repigs are so scary, it makes Hillary look OK.

Prior to the General Election, I will continue to support and work for Dennis K.

:hi: Thanks for this thread ~~ I had really been considering voting 3rd party or writing in another Dem if HRC was our moninee for 2008. However, I can see where it is VITAL to defeat the crap Repigs who are running.

JMHO

[opihimoimoi]

69. I feel...If elected, Hilliary will turn out to be one of the better Presidents of the last 100 Years

[ToeBot]

70. Sorry, she's lower than last. nt