This country obviously needs to have a serious discussion.....

[Flabbergasted]

If causing pain or psychological trauma to a captive is not torture then what is?


The debate needs to be either:



I support torture and here is why...

Or

I don't support torture and here is why...




Did I miss anything?

[PDJane]

1. Possibly.

Maybe the 'debate' needs to be framed as simply as 'since we torture, can we call ourselves civilized?'

[cali]

2. I don't think so.

It's like debating whether there's such a thing as climate change. Torture is wrong. Everyone knows it's wrong. That's why bushco tried to hide it.

[Flabbergasted]

5. That's my point. Bush's justification is over.......

[EFerrari]

3. The discussion is over. We need a trial. n/t

[Solly Mack]

4. Bush would like that. He'd claim a debate on torture was proof of America's freedom

and democracy in action.

And a debate on torture would also deflect from the fact that Bush is already torturing people and attempt to frame it as a question.

A debate on torture would also allow some to pretend all America needs is yet another law - that won't be enforced - outlawing torture



The question of torture has long been settled. It's wrong - and it's illegal. It's a war crime.