cali
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Sat Oct-06-07 01:40 PM
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For arguments sake I'll stipulate that even if Justices in the mold of Scalia/Thomas/ replace Stevens and Ginsberg, it won't be overturned.
But guess what, folks? THAT AIN'T THE ONLY ISSUE.
The Supreme Court can further dismantle environmental rights if you get more conservative judges- and don't say the Senate can keep them all out. More and more repukes will be looking for nominees who don't have much of a trail.
The Supreme Court deals with education, labor, torture, civil rights and so much more.
Look, if you don't think there's any difference between the dems, even when it comes to SCOTUS appointments, and you won't vote for she who cannot be named, under any circumstances, that's your business, but the SC is not solely about abortion.
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Sat Oct-06-07 01:49 PM
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1. But also be aware that a DLC Dem president will appoint corporatist judges too |
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They'll be pro-choice, sure, but they'll stick it to workers and consumers just as much as Roberts and Alito.
You're right, it's not just about Roe v. Wade and this is why we have to fight the DLC in the primary.
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cali
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Sat Oct-06-07 01:55 PM
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3. You have no evidence of that. |
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If you're talking about Hillary, she's a mixed bag, on corporatism. She voted against CAFTA- certainly a big wish on the corporate wish list. Breyer and Ginsberg are not wholly corporately owned, and her husband appointed them. My guess is she'd appoint judges in that same vein.
But I do agree that we have to fight the DLC and its associates.
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Sat Oct-06-07 01:56 PM
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4. Actually the facts prove you're wrong |
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Bill Clinton was DLC, and his two choices, Ginsburg and Breyer have been amongst the few judges routinely supporting the individual over the corporation.
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:09 PM
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5. One, Bill and Hillary aren't the same person |
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I see her having an even tougher time getting her nominees through the Senate than he did, unless we pick up a LOT of seats in 2008.
Two, Ginsburg and Breyer were appointed over a decade ago. Corporate control over every lever of government has grown since then, not subsided. Big Biz will be calling in its chits when it comes to her nominations.
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:13 PM
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8. I don't see her having a tough time getting her candidates |
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through a dem Senate that will almost certainly have 3+ more dems in it.
And your speculation that big businsess will call in chits on Hillary, isn't born out by her record in the Senate.
As I said, you don't want to see the difference between justices that Hillary or any other dem will nominate, and those that repukes will nominate, you won't. But so far, you have produced only speculation and no evidence to support your argument.
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:33 PM
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16. I hope you're right. And I never said I didn't see any difference between her picks and the GOP's |
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I'm definitely speculating, but it's not unreasonable to believe that the corporate interests of this country will take a keen interest in upcoming SCOTUS nominees, no matter which party is in the WH. Congress has pretty much given them everything they want at this point.
And a lot of progressives will be happy as long as the noms are pro-choice, without noticing the other stuff.
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:15 PM
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10. You didn't say "Hillary". You said a DLC President - of which Bill Clinton was one. |
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So much for your shoddy slander.
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:31 PM
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Hillary. Would. Appoint. Progressive. Justices.
Now breathe and repeat again.
Slowly.
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:35 PM
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18. Okay, I hope you're right. Peace. n/t |
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:10 PM
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You've been here long enough to realize that the omnipresent anti-DLC, anti-centrist Democrats posters don't need no stinkin' facts!
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:29 PM
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that common sense will rear its ugly head now and then. Stupid of me.
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:12 PM
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7. You think Ruth Bader Ginsburg |
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is the same as Alito? How dumb.
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:14 PM
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:27 PM
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13. Do you think HILLARY Clinton appointed her? How dumb. n/t |
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:35 PM
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17. the post I replied to was mindlessly bitching about |
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"DLC" leaders appointing justices. Bill Clinton was a DLC leader. There's no reason to believe Hillary Clinton would appoint right-wing jutices. How dumb.
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:36 PM
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19. Not right-wing, but DLC corporatist. You don't think there's any such thing? How dumb. nt. |
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:59 PM
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Hillary Clinton will appoint justices anything like those a Republican would appoint is just blinded by hate.
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Sat Oct-06-07 09:25 PM
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24. No, she will appoint justices that are like those the DLC will appoint |
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Where do judges come from? They start out as lawyers. The DLC has a lot of, guess what? Lawyers.
So where do you think the judges will come from? They've been grooming politicians to their mold, why wouldn't they do the same with judges?
Hillary Clinton herself was touted as a possible SCOTUS nominee for a Dem president by posters on this very board. What do you suppose she is?
The courts are our last line of defense for the rights of individuals, workers, and consumers. The corporations have gotten pretty much everything they want from Congress at this point. The courts will be the last to go. They don't give a shit about abortion, either so the progressives will never know what hit them.
I hope I'm wrong.
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Sun Oct-07-07 06:32 AM
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But even if you were right, DLC lawyers (whatever that truly means) are better than fundy federalist society lawyers. Sorry, but I don't think you have a clue as to what you're talking about.
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Sun Oct-07-07 11:47 AM
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29. Of course they're better. But they're not the best we can do. |
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And since you're going to be insulting to me like that I see no need to continue any dialogue with you. Good day.
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Sat Oct-06-07 01:54 PM
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Good post. And don't forget that the SC also decides plenty of war related issues, including civil rights issues.
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:18 PM
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The nation, it seems, is clearly in favor of abortion to some degree. Only a small minority wants to see Roe v. Wade abolished. However, the law overturning sodomy laws, well, I figure that would be something that could easily be reversed and the country would not erupt in an uproar.
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:20 PM
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12. A Democrat will appoint pro-choice justices, a Republican is likely not to do so |
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Sure, Bush, Sr. gave us Souter, and Reagan gave us Kennedy and O'Connor, but they also gave us Thomas and Scalia. Bush, Jr. gave us Roberts and Alito.
Why take the chance by voting for some fringe third party crank candidate and throwing the election to the Republic Party. Even a President Giulinani, while personally pro-choice, would be under enormous pressure to appease the far right that grudgingly put him in office by appointing another Alito/Scalia/Thomas/Roberts clone.
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:50 PM
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20. Rudy has already said that he will appoint justices in the Scalia/Thomas mold. |
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Of course, I suppose it's just barely possible that Rudy really is pro-choice, and is just another lying Repug shitweasel who would say ANYTHING to secure the nomination, but I'm not willing to take that chance.
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:55 PM
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21. Of course it isn't, but reproductive rights are one of the most important |
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issues in the history of humankind.
Without them, I guarantee society will regress violently, and women will pay the price.
I'm not okay with that, so it IS one of my top concerns.
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Sat Oct-06-07 02:59 PM
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22. It's one of mine too, but some posters |
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have been saying things to the effect that abortion will never be overturned, and so Hillary's (or whoever's) choices aren't enough of a reason to vote for her. They seemed to forget that the SC has jurisdiction over, well, everything.
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Sat Oct-06-07 10:07 PM
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25. Ah, okay, I didn't understand that was your |
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motivation for posting - that does make sense.
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Sat Oct-06-07 10:12 PM
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26. I think much (not all) of the anti Hillary crowd |
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are one issue voters: the war.
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Sat Oct-06-07 10:21 PM
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27. Others in this thread have already summed it up: It's the difference between Ruth Bader Ginsburg |
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and Sam Alito.
Seems pretty fucking clear, to me. :shrug:
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