List your precursors of BFEE "domestic surveillance"-someone has always "monitored" US

[bobthedrummer]

especially in times of "war", and despite our rights guaranteed in our Constitution, Bill of Rights and everything that this criminal, fascist administration has papered over, covered-up and/or destroyed pragmatically following its agendas.

Rather than giving up or going into denial, let's establish the historic record of this.

Once again, I'm merely starting a thread-DU collaborative effort will make or break it.

Fighting real enemies in real war required military intelligence.

The "father of US military intelligence" was Major General Ralph H. Van Deman (btw, he formed a private intelligence group after his service-and was a prime resource for John Edgar Hoover)

General Van Deman links
from Namebase
http://www.namebase.org/main4/Ralph-H-Van-deman.html

Reposted US military intelligence page from Federation of American Scientists
http://www.fas.org/irp/ops/ci/docs/ci1/ch3f.htm#mid

John Edgar Hoover's FBI was a reflection of many of his personal characteristics-and the people that he promoted or demoted within that organization were often at odds with each other.

It was corrupted by the myth of the uncorruptable J. Edgar Hoover-and it became a secret political police agency available to eight Presidents yet under Hoover's control and manipulations until the 1960's when the blowback of decades of repression could no longer be contained.

Hoover's FBI created the COINTELPRO's (counter intelligence programs) designed to "neutralize" various threats to the US during those eight administrations.

One of the main characters behind the COINTELPRO's was William Cornelius Sullivan, who paradoxically revealed much about the "abuse" of the agency by Hoover and others after being terminated in a power struggle.

Sullivan used many of his COINTELPRO techniques and tactics against Hoover and Hoover loyalists up until the time of his "accidental" shooting death in 1977.

William C. Sullivan link from Spartacus. schoolnet
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKsullivan.htm

COINTELPRO links
from Marquette University (where Martin Luther King was denied an honorary degree in 1964 as a result of a COINTELPRO against him-called "the most dangerous Negro in America" by Hoover and eventually "neutralized")

FBI Records Scope And Content Note
http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/Mss/FBI/mss-FBI-sc.html

"The Art of the FBI" from Social Design Notes (10-21-2002)
examples of COINTELPRO disinformation products
http://www.backspace.com/notes/2002/10/21/x.html

Domestic surveillance and civil rights violations link
from The National Security Archive
"Wiretap Debate Deja Vu"
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB178/index.htm

compare that to these lies of a former POTUS
Richard Nixon: Statements About The Watergate Investigations
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=3855

To complete this OP in a thread that requires your participation, here is a repost from Third World Traveler of
"Intelligence Activities And The Rights Of Americans: Final Report Of The Select Committee To Study Governmental Operations With Respect To Intelligence (Church Committee Report)"
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/FBI/Church_Committee_Report.html

There's so much to add to all this, isn't there?

[havocmom]

1. J. Edgar used to like to keep files on anybody who was, or could become, anybody

He had lots of power. Think there might be a connection?

[bobthedrummer]

7. .

http://www.namebase.org/sources/BI.html

[Gabi Hayes]

2. doesn't get much more illegal than this: CIA on campus

http://www.cia-on-campus.org/
http://www.cia-on-campus.org/msu.edu/msu.html

remember the National Student Association? the other NSA...
http://www.cia-on-campus.org/nsa/nsa.html

[bobthedrummer]

5. It wasn't just one group-there were FBI, CIA, MI, local law, and who knows who else

not only on campus-then there were the provocateurs, and the "assets" that included OC.

Richard M. Nixon stated (June 5, 1970 in the Oval Office) he was not satisfied with "intelligence" about the "epidemic of unprecedented domestic terrorism" (Curt Gentry, 1991, J. Edgar Hoover: The Man And The Secrets, p652) which was how civil rights, social change and anti-war activists and organizations were viewed.

Each of the men that sat in that 6-5-70 Oval office meeting came from agencies and offices that had ongoing illegal domestic programs to "neutralize" a lot of Americans, programs that had grown for decades.

The men that met with Nixon that day were J. Edgar Hoover (appointed as Chairman), Richard McGarrah Helms/DCIA, V.Admiral Noel Gayler/NSA, Lt. Gen. Donald V. Bennett/DIA, and Nixon's WH liason Tom Charles Huston-all of the agencies and offices these men headed had their own ongoing illegal domestic programs.

This ad-hoc committee (known as the Huston Plan) was rejected by the Nixon WH (yet all these groups had illegal clandestine domestic operations) and led to the creation of Nixon's own unit-known as the Plumbers.

Yep, this is the truth-and the truth is that all this has been consolidated by this criminal regime, "privatized", etc.

[DBoon]

3. don't forget local police "red squads"

that were active through the 1980's in many cases:

http://www.amazon.com/Protectors-Privilege-Squads-Repression-America/dp/0520080351

Donner, a civil liberties lawyer, last wrote The Age of Surveillance (a "powerful and signficant study," LJ 5/1/80), about federal suppression of political dissent. Viewing city police as "the protective arm . . . of the capitalist system," Donner here documents the history of local countersubversion units, focusing on Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, and Los Angeles. Repression flourished in the 1960s and early 1970s but was largely curtailed thereafter in reaction to Watergate. Donner presents a litany of police harassment and abuse, including undercover agents who incited the violence they supposedly were hired to prevent. Rather dense prose, with many footnotes and 100 pages of references, gear this book primarily to research and legal collections. A worthwhile, albeit strongly opinionated, contribution.
Gregor A. Preston, Univ. of California Lib., Davis

[Gabi Hayes]

4. WAY out of date....1980s???

http://www.socialistworker.org/2004-1/488/488_02_RedSquads.shtml

According to the Sun Times, police admit that they infiltrated at least four other groups in 2003. But the cops won’t say what groups, why, or if they are continuing to do so.

Worst of all, all of this is perfectly legal. When Chicago police harassment became widely known in the 1970s, the embarrassment eventually forced the city into agreeing to refrain from spying on or disrupting political groups. But in 2001, an appeals court gutted the agreement--after the city claimed that it prevented investigations into "terrorism" and street gangs.

[bobthedrummer]

6. On the subject of local law enforcement-there are Neighborhood Watch groups everywhere

and the politicization/corruption determines what "community leaders" go on the "ride-alongs".

It was better when people knew their local policeman, not these corrupted BFEE police state para-militaries.

[T.Ruth2power]

8. good info

remember the Pinkerton's? How'd they get their start. People should know this and then would not be surprised by these seemingly "new" attempts at domestic control by corporate fascists.

this goes back decades.

[bobthedrummer]

9. The thing is the nexus with government-the federal level, state and local

yep, it goes back quite aways historically-doesn't it?

on edit: Welcome to DU.

[bobthedrummer]

10. Calling all DUers, share your research and comments about illegal US domestic

programs directed at US citizens/organizations historically (I've concentrated on 20th and 21st century) in this thread, which needs a kick and your input.

Does anyone reject the fact that people were murdered as part of the various "neutralizations" of US political dissidents, or that this continues?

I'd like to hear that argument-it has as much veracity as the "we don't torture" lies of the criminal administration of George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney.

[bobthedrummer]

11. Callout kick

[bobthedrummer]

12. Grant retroactive immunity and pay for your illegal surveillance kick-how fascist is that?

[bobthedrummer]

13. "I always feel like somebody's watching me, and I have no privacy..." remember that Rockwell tune?

kick