The Daily Show does it again! Tonight's guest, Vicente Fox, former President of Mexico!

[Up2Late]

On Now! (or soon, show's on now).

[Fed_Up_Grammy]

1. No thanks !

[HughMoran]

3. Don't like the Daily Show

...or aren't interested in what the former Pres. of Mexico has to say?

[TahitiNut]

5. What do you have against Coca-Cola?

:evilgrin:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

2. Do you think Jon is going to ask Fox about Shrub being afraid of horsies???

:rofl:

[Up2Late]

6. I don't know, but Jon Stewart v. any Conservative Politician who first language in not English...

... Piece of Cake! This could get very interesting.:evilgrin:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

31. I found the whole interview disappointing. Fox is a corporatist

and started to discuss a North American union. He also bad mouthed a few of the socialist presidents from South America. Jon more or less just sat there.

[EFerrari]

4. Thanks for the heads' up. My mom just called me about this one.

:)

[Up2Late]

8. No problem. He was on NPR's "Talk of the Nation" today too...

...Good interview, at least until he started talking smack about Hugo Chávez near the end.:pals:

[EFerrari]

9. Watching now.

:)

[Cha]

7. Thanks! I turned it on and

caught John Oliver giving Jon his "you're helping the terrorist" spiel and Samantha Bee riffing on larry craig.

[EFerrari]

10. Nafta has been good to me.

:silly:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. He was pushing, quietly, the North American Union, which would be the end of

the USA.

[Up2Late]

14. Yup, it's been great for Mexico, Canada and The Forbes 500 Corps.

For us non-Super Rich, it sucks.:evilfrown:

[EFerrari]

16. It was so good for Mexico, they had to get BushCo's help

to steal the election.

Fox is a charming @sshole, just like so many of these criminals are.

[Common Sense Party]

23. So why was Bill Clinton so in love with it?

He had a major NAFTA woody during his whole presidency. He must have known what it would do.

[Up2Late]

28. NAFTA was a Reagan/BUSH scam and was signed in 1992 by George H.W. BUSH!!!

Clinton didn't like it, but Bush had already signed it, so he tried to amend it in 1993, but pretty much had to sign it (see link and info below).

It was proposed under Reagan, Bush pushed it though the closely divided House, with help from House Minority Whip DICK CHENEY and then Newt Gingrich and BUSH signed it!

Everyone always seems to forget that, thanks to the "fair and balanced" MSM in this country.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement>

History of the implementation

NAFTA was initially pursued by conservative governments in the United States and Canada supportive of free trade, led by Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, U.S. President George H. W. Bush, and the Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari. The three countries signed NAFTA in December 1992, subject to ratification by the legislatures of the three countries. There was considerable opposition in all three countries, but in the United States it was able to secure passage after Bill Clinton made its passage a major legislative initiative in 1993. During his presidential campaign he had promised to review the agreement, which he considered inadequate. :hi:Since the agreement had been signed by Bush under his fast-track prerogative :hi:, Clinton did not alter the original agreement, but complemented it with the aforementioned NAAEC and NAALC. After intense political debate and the negotiation of these side agreements, the U.S. House passed NAFTA by 234-200 (132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voting in favor, 156 Democrats, 43 Republicans, and 1 independent against).<4> and the U.S. Senate passed it by 61-38<5>

I was shocked too when he signed it, but I don't think he had much choice, due to the way Bush and the ReThugs engineered the whole thing.

[Common Sense Party]

29. "made its passage a major legislative initiative in 1993. "

Didn't sound like he protested too much.

[Up2Late]

30. Oh I see how it works, only read the part of the sentence that supports your point!

How Republic Party of you!

Well, if you actually read the whole sentence you pulled that from, and then go that one step further and try to figure out what that sentence means in the context of the paragraph...

Oh, but that would take some effort on your part, sorry, I guess that would be asking too much to actually read the whole paragraph, let alone the whole History section at the link I provided.

So, do you understand the way that International Treaties work? They Supersede the U.S. Constitution, did you know that? That means, they take precedence, so once Bush signed it, if President Clinton were to back out of NAFTA after Bush "Fast Tracked" it, it would be close to an act of War.

So Yes, He Did Protest it (as shown in the history) and he did try to fix it as much as he could without causing an international incident.

NAFTA was NOT President Clinton baby, it was ALL Reagan/Bush!

[Common Sense Party]

36. Noam Chomsky disagrees with you, as would anyone

that has some measure of objectivity. Clinton had a NAFTA hard-on his whole presidency:

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199401--.htm

[bbgrunt]

32. as I recall, Bill pretty much used up his political capital

forcing us all to swallow Nafta.

[Cha]

15. As long as Vincente Fox comes

out okay..that was interesting about his ancestor riding the horse from Cincinatti, though.

[TahitiNut]

20. Yeah. Right. For him but not the "bottom 95%",

When 1/6th of the citizens of Mexico leave to find jobs and better conditions in other countries, it'd be a good idea to get a fucking clue!

[EFerrari]

11. "Cause he's indigenous". Oh, really?

"Evo, Hugo, terrible."

(Vicente, I hope your assets are over seas, because the people are going to win this one. lol)

[Cha]

13. Vincente talked a good

game before he started with that fish story and calling down my faves..Hugo and Evo!

[Up2Late]

17. Yup, he told the same "fish story" today on "Talk of the Nation" on NPR.

But he did give away a few Coca-Cola in Mexico secrets at the end:

<http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15097316>

[Cha]

18. Thanks for the link..

I couldn't wade through all that crap to read "the coca cola secrets".

It was funny at the end of the interview when Fox asked Jon if he were "Basque" with a name like Jon..and Jon said.."No, Jew..Big Jew". Jon Stewart..I hope he does ask Evo Morales back!

And gets Chavez on his show.

[Up2Late]

22. Was it the Basque who persecuted the Jews and the Muslims in Spain...???

...or was that just the Roman Catholic Church? Or is that the same difference? I don't know much about Spanish persecution, not something that they covered much in the Indiana Public Schools:shrug:

[Cha]

24. Me, neither..it was just weird that Vincente

comes outta right field with "Basque". Jon probably thought that everyone knows he's Jewish.

[pansypoo53219]

26. yeah, i understand his point, BUT

there's a LOT of poor people doing a LOT of fishing, but the rich have better hooks and bait. corn niblets only get you so far when you fish against minnows.

[Cha]

27. Vincente Fox is just spouting

elitism talking points..Chavez and Morales are doing the heavy lifting for their people and their countries.

It's real nice that Vincente didn't have to be run out of Mexico on a rail but I'm still not impressed.

[TahitiNut]

19. I smelled a whiff of (at least) elitism, there.

It's be nice if Fox and others had to flee. I'd like that. Yep.

[EFerrari]

21. Fox represents the ruling class. They're not as crass as Junior

(who is?) but that's exactly what they all look like.

Charming, well spoken, and so massively self serving they don't even know it themselves. Accident of birth put me in their vicinity. :scared:

[Up2Late]

25. Yup, a lot of U. S. Americans don't really understand the Class system in Mexico...

...and that there are "white" (Spanish Conquistador) Mexicans and the mostly oppressed "brown" (Indigenous) Mexicans, who are most of who we get here because the White Mexican business/land owners won't create jobs in Mexico for them.

Oh, and then there are the mixed race (white/brown) Mexicans, who make up most of the growing middle class.

Btw, look quick, your post total is 55555! (or at least it was when I looked).:evilgrin:

[Johonny]

33. good show

interesting interview. Best thing of the night was on Colbert though with the little kids explaining SCHIPS.

[Up2Late]

34. Yup, I posted about that one too...

...here's the link: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2003093&mesg_id=2003093>

Video links are there too!

[Up2Late]

35. Video links from last night's show!

<http://www.ifilm.com/show/17676>