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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:48 AM
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Jimmy Carter vs Richard Nixon

President Jimmy Carter’s statements about the nature of VP Dick Cheney as a human being, and his role in the current administration, has caused quite a reaction. Some in the news media, including several folks on MSNBC, are taking the position that ex-presidents should not speak ill of a sitting president. That, of course, indicates that they recognize the current vice president has a firm grasp on the reins of power in this administration – which is exactly what President Carter identified as a problem.

Should ex-presidents restrict their public role to administering social novocaine, in order to make the nation’s pain and suffering less noticeable ? Should President Carter find a higher calling in suggesting that the citizens of this nation should bury their heads in the sand? Or is it appropriate that he take his pledge to uphold the Constitution seriously?

I think it is interesting to compare Jimmy Carter with Richard Nixon. Both men’s presidencies ended as the result of major scandals: Nixon left when the series of crimes known as "Watergate" caught up with him, and Carter was defeated because of the manipulations by Reagan’s vice presidential candidate, when the seeds of the Iran-Contra scandals were first sown.

Both ex-presidents would become prolific authors, though for slightly different reasons. Nixon wanted to rehabilitate his stained image, and Carter wanted to improve the county. Both ex-presidents’ books are worth reading. For democrats who lived through their respective administrations, Carter’s books are obviously preferred. Yet, though we could not have possibly anticipated it, the ex-president Nixon seems almost wholesome when compared to the republicans who have controlled the Oval Office since 1980.

Let’s look at each of these ex-president’s last two books. In 1992, Nixon wrote "Seize the Moment: America’s Challenge in a One-Superpower World." Nixon dedicates the book "To the democrats," but takes similar little stabs at republicans in chapters such as "The Former Evil Empire." Yet the most important chapter might be "The Muslim World," in which Nixon notes, "Many Americans tend to stereotype Muslims as uncivilized, unwashed, barbaric, and irrational people who command our attention only because some of their leaders have the good fortune to rule territory containing over two-thirds of the world’s proven oil reserves."

He goes on to say that some American leaders "warn that Islam will become a monolithic and fanatical geopolitical force, that its growing population and significant financial power will pose a major challenge …. (with) the forces of resurgent Muslim fundamentalism orchestrating a region-wide revolution from Iran …" Nixon notes that the diverse Muslim world actually had three primary types of leadership – fundamentalism, radicalism, and modernism – and that the US could actually establish good relations with the Islamic world if this country recognized that our stereotypes were the first stumbling block to be overcome.

When age and illness reduce a person’s abilities, we are often left with just the essence of their personality. Thus it is with Nixon’s last book, "Beyond Peace." The infamous I-am-not-a-crook president, notes that we "cannot successfully address the fearful increase in …crime without restoring punishment rather than rehabilitation as the central premise of our criminal justice system." If only President Ford had subscribed to that same belief.

His beliefs on Iraq and Iran are summed up in two sentences: "The United States should adopt a policy of isolation and containment of both. The objective should be to give both countries problems at home so that they cannot cause problems abroad."

Would a republican ex-president say rude things about a (then) current administration? "Mrs. Clinton deserves credit for her courage in articulating the absence of a higher purpose in life, despite the fact that since the late 1960s many of her most liberal supporters have relentlessly assaulted traditional values in the name of liberalism. Unfortunately, most of the administration’s remedies would make the problem worse." Nixon, never a man to hold grudges.

Carter has authored some fascinating books. None are more important than the last two. In "Our Endangered Values: America’s Moral Crisis," President Carter writes about "when President Reagan’s ‘neocon’ ambassador to the United Nations, Jeane Kirkpatrick, denounced me as having attempted to ‘impose liberalization and democratization’ on other countries. She decried ‘the belief that it is possible to democratize governments anytime, anywhere, under any circumstances.’ Democracy, she said, depends ‘on complex social, cultural, and economic conditions,’ and takes ‘decades, if not centuries.’ She went on to extol ‘traditional authoritarian dictatorships’…

"Some neocons now dominate the highest councils of government, seem determined to extert American dominance throughout the world, and approve of preemptive war as an acceptable avenue to reach this imperialistic goal. Eight years before he became vice president, Richard Cheney spelled out this premise in his ‘Defense Strategy for the 1990s.’ Either before or soon after 9/11, he and his close associates chose Iraq as the first major target, apparently to remove a threat to Israel and to have Iraq serve as our permanent military, economic, and political base in the Middle East."

In his most recent book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," President Carter writes "that there is a formula for peace in justice in this small and unique portion of the world. It is compatible with international law and sustained American government policy, has the approval of most Israelis and Palestinians, and conforms to agreements previously consummated – but later renounced."

There are, of course, neoconservatives and neoliberals who attack President Carter for taking the positions that has. The Cheneyites in the republican party – and a few in democratic party – will dismiss Carter with insults and personal attacks. That’s because the neoconservative blueprint to redraw the map of the Middle East cannot accommodate any rational plan for the peaceful resolution of conflicts.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:06 AM
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1. I Listened To That Criticism Of Carter This Morning
and thought, who better, than someone who has held and knows the office?

One of the saddest effects those like Darth and his neo pals have had on government, is raising the level of cynicism. People (and I'm referring to the public at large) always had a grain of mistrust for government, but now, with due cause, they don't people anything the people in government say.

Which makes me wonder why those in Congress apparently do. Hillary's vote on Iran was disingenuous to say the least. But so was Obama's non vote.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:13 AM
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2. Last night,
one of MSNBC's house "experts" compared President Carter to Michael Moore. Of course, his goal was to discredit Jimmy Carter. But the truth is that Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" was one of the most provacative and influential films about the Cheneyite Middle East policy.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:19 AM
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3. What Would We Do Without These Experts
Those who rah rahed * all the way.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:30 AM
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4. The cheerleaders
know that in the strange world of the Bush administration, VP Cheney is the Archilles' heel. Cheney is both the ultimate strength inside and weakness outside the administration. So, when President Carter attempts to focus attention on him, the cheerleaders are sent out to distract.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:47 AM
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10. Used To Work
If someone betrays you once, it’s their fault; if they betray you twice, it’s your fault.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:33 AM
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5. Pat Buchanan is a shameless hack
It was comical listening to him dismiss Gerald Ford's criticism of Rumsfeld and Cheney so that he attack Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter is a fearless statesman.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:46 AM
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8. He often is.
But you expect Pat to be rabid on certain issues. There are other "experts" who feign being objective, but who are actually worse than Buchanan.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:38 AM
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6. I find it funny
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 08:49 AM by NewJeffCT
that Republicans have often said that ex-presidents should not criticize sitting ones whenever any of them dares to criticize Team Bush...

Yet, only a few months into Bill Clinton's first term, the Republicans dragged out Reagan to start criticizing Clinton...

I guess they wouldn't be Republicans if they weren't hypocritical.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:47 AM
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9. "they wouldn't
be Republicans if they weren't hypocritical"

Perfect. Thank you.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 08:38 AM
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7. Man, that is good stuff. We're lucky to have the Waterman on our side. K&R.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:01 AM
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11. Thank you.
I think that the traditional democratic values, as expressed by Elder Statesmen such as Jimmy Carter and Mario Cuomo, should be of interest to DUers during the presidential primary season.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:09 AM
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12. Dragon Lady aka Mrs. Vadar
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 10:10 AM by Me.
Out in full force today dismissing Carter saying, he's just doing it to sell books, as she tries to sell her book. Oh, the sanctimony.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:14 AM
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14. The updated
version of the serpentine Madame Nhu.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:10 AM
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13. Jimmy Carter
I admire Carter for all his public record and personal courage. And I admire his presidential term, apparently more than the conventional wisdom usually allows.

I admire him most for getting elected president when he was not supposed to. I think that helped preserve our country's best potential at a time that that had become very shadowy.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:31 AM
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15. He is a good man.
I was not fond of him when he was president. I think very highly of him now. This is likely the result of both of us changing a bit in the past three decades.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:36 AM
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16. Nixon also
described Cheney as a scary, dangerous individual. Just the sort he found useful but should never be in charge.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:41 PM
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19. Nixon had
a ferret-like ability to sniff out people's character flaws.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 09:22 AM
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20. Come to think of it
Cheney being shipped out and MIA during Watergate shows he was not trusted or perhaps being shifted out to protect his value in the future. Bush I had a coterie of subterranean stooges during his various attempts(including replacing Agnew) to get into power.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:22 PM
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17. I was more disappointed in Dana Milbank's comments
that Carter discredits his own message, and muddles the whole conversation, because he is an easy target for right-wing ridicule.

This is yet another instance of letting the bullies set the agenda. Pat Boo-chanan is expected to be an apologist for the right, but Dana Milbank is a Washington Post reporter and MSNBC contributor, and for him to be propagating this nonsense is less forgivable.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:25 PM
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18. Dana Milbank
was, in my opinion, far worse than Buchanan. Pat's an old Nixon loyalist.
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