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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:40 AM
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The Free Republic & Right Wing Attack On A 12 Yr Old Boy
On Sept. 22, President Bush used his weekly radio address to lambaste Congress for its efforts to increase five-year funding for the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP). In the address, Bush threatened to veto the bill, which he eventually did on Oct. 3. A week later, in an effort to change Bush's mind, the Democratic Radio Address featured a 12-year old boy named Graeme Frost, who had received life-saving care through Maryland's CHIP program after his family was in a car accident. "I don't know why President Bush wants to stop kids who really need help from getting CHIP," said Frost in the address. "All I know is I have some really good doctors...and I'm glad I could see them because of the Children's Health Program." Conservatives, like House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH), were quick to complain about Frost's impassioned plea for presidential compassion. "To use an innocent young child as a human shield...is, frankly, beyond the pale," said a spokesman for Boehner. The Weekly Standard's William Kristol called Frost's address "pathetic." Boehner and Kristol's disparaging complaints were mild, however, compared to the attacks on Frost and his family that soon developed on conservative blogs and talk radio over the past week.

THE ANATOMY OF A SMEAR: On Saturday, Oct. 6, a poster at Free Republic propagated information alleging that Frost was actually a rich kid being pampered by the government. http://capweb.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=VJj3rtF52TucYq1KaLbsnjfHMAFDgfmp

Among other bits of information, the post by the Freeper "icwhatudo" asserted that Graeme and his sister Gemma attend wealthy schools that cost "nearly $40,000 per year for tuition" and live in a well-off home. The Freeper smear, which distorted the facts with innuendo, was soon picked up across the conservative blogosphere. The National Review, Michelle Malkin, Wizbang, Powerline, the Weekly Standard blog and others all used the Freeper's claims to launch assaults on the Frost family. "The boy is fair game," said National Review's Mark Steyn. One blogger at RedState suggested that "a team of PIs" should be hired to investigate the Frost family's finances in order to "destroy their lives with that info." Instead of hiring a team, Malkin investigated the Frosts herself, visiting Mr. Frost's business and driving to the family's home. On Monday, right-wing radio host Rush Limbaugh picked up the story, claiming that Democrats "filled head with lies just as they have some of these soldiers." Though congressional conservatives are staying officially silent on the smear campaign, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's (R-KY) office is intently tracking the story while one Senate GOP aide told the Politico, "We're going to ride this story."

MYTH -- THE FROSTS ARE RICH: As The New Republic's Jonathan Cohn, a health care reporter, notes, the Freeper's charges amount to little more than the fact that the Frosts "have jobs, make a decent living, and own their home." "One house in the Graeme's neighborhood has recently sold for half a million dollars, they reported," writes Cohn. "Graeme's father, Halsey, owned his own business and had his own commercial property. Graeme and his sister went to an elite private school where tuition was some $20,000 a year." While these assertions by the Freeper are correct, they omit crucial context that directly undermines the conclusions fueling the conservative histrionics. Together, the Frosts "earn between $45,000 and $50,000 a year," which makes them "eligible for Maryland's Children's Health Program." Though Graeme does attend the private school, the Frosts only pay $500 a year due to a scholarship. Because of injuries sustained in her accident, his sister Gemma attends another private school that costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost. As for their "lavish home," the Frosts bought it in 1990 for $55,000, at a time when the neighborhood was less safe. Including Halsey's workplace, the family "is still paying off the mortgages on both properties" they own. In her investigation of the family, Malkin spoke to a friend of Halsey's, who said the family is "struggling," but she refused to believe it.

Rest of this article @ link:

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/progressreport/
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:44 AM
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1. Imagine freepers getting into a my dick is bigger then your dick contest
Damn the facts, we need to trash people who tell the truth, yeehaw!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:44 AM
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2. Does anyone have a link to the propagating freep thread
or even to recent ones on this topic? I am interested in cross checking some user names and running them by some DUers who helped out with the smear on Andy.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:48 AM
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3. Here's one I saw
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1907687/posts - FYI this one has family's address. Normally I wouldn't post this but it does come up as first hit on google.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:55 AM
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6. Thank you.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:15 PM
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22. Why do I read that stuff?
I do not understand those greedy, mean spirited people. No point in TRYING to understand.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:50 AM
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4. Yes, the link is in the first paragraph towards the top of this article.
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 10:51 AM by EV_Ares
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:55 AM
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5. Sorry, I'm skimming too fast.
Thanks, EV_Ares!
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:02 AM
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8. LOL, yeah, know how that goes, have the same problem here sometimes. eom.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:20 AM
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11. These freaks never learn.
They can't read, they can't write, they can't reason. There they are patting themselves on the back when every single inference they've drawn is wrong, as usual.

It must suck terribly to be them. :shrug:
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:32 AM
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16. You know, you are right about the freepers and I have seen that.
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 11:33 AM by EV_Ares
It has always puzzled me why that is. I know some right wingers or should call them acquaintances at work and they are pretty much that way as well.

Some of them are poor & have showed them where Bush has hurt them and they then point out he is a religious man.

Most of them education wise are not very knowledgeable about things, seem to love war and are hateful in many respects. They almost all have tunnel vision.

For the life of me, I cannot understand how they think, there is no way to get inside of their empty heads. The only thing I learn from them is why I am a liberal progressive.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:00 PM
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17. I have two conservative uncles. But they'd no more behave
as those freaks do than they'd wallow in cow dung. It's beyond disgusting.
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Ahpook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:05 PM
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20. I am curious and have always wondered...
how many of the supposed posters over there are actually some kind of PR firm?

Come in and stir up the shit for the brainless. That in turn gets them swarming like fucking piranha.

Wouldn't take much to get those animals gnashing teeth.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:14 PM
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21. I've seen stats that say they have a bigger membership than DU.
I find that incredible.

There's nothing like the real, messy, creative action that we have at DU over at that place.

:shrug:
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Ahpook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:20 PM
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24. Wonder if the membership numbers include...
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 02:21 PM by Ahpook
all the fine folks from here or wherever else that go there to argue with the pinheads and have been banned? :)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:35 PM
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27. No idea. But if you compare the vigorous debates we have
and the echo chamber over there, what do you think?

I can't go over there without nausea. I don't have an account over there and thank the DUers how have a much stronger stomach than I do for their reports.

:shrug:
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:22 AM
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12. Here's one I found this morning about the "Swift Boating" article.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1909680/posts

These people have no decency at all.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:29 AM
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14. No, they don't. They're like human cockroaches.
They were hounded Andy when he was on his deathbed, the motherfuckers.
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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:56 AM
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7. this is absolutely despicable!
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:03 AM
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9. That bit from Boehner-head about using an innocent young child as

a human shield being beyond the pale reminds me of Poppy Bush using the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador who pretended to be just an ordinary Kuwaiti girl and claimed that Iraqi soldiers had broken into a hospital where she volunteered, taking premature babies out of incubators, stealing the incubators and leaving the babies on the floor to die.

It was completely fictitious but helped fool Americans into supporting the first Bushwar on Iraq. Republicans have some nerve talking about using a child after that stunt. I'm sure there have been more in a similar vein.

This boy is a real kid, really injured in an accident, and really helped by Maryland's CHIPS program. A $50,000 income for a family of four is not much anywhere and much of Maryland is expensive to live in.

Maybe we should post the address here so we can all send big postcards to the family, expressing our support for them at our disgust at RWers saying "the boy is fair game."

I certainly want to do that and there are more DUers than freepers so we could outdo them easily.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:14 AM
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10. Yeah, the ass complains about a family who has had a personal
experience with this medical program telling their story and then, he & his group spews out the hate they are so dam good at spewing.

Bet he doesn't have the guts to complain to their faces.

These RWers are totally gutless. afraid to go into the military themselves but love war as long as there is someone else to fight the war for them while they & their rich friends make money off of the war.

Sorry for the rant, these people are shameless.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:25 AM
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13. I went to FR and those people are disgusting. In the OP

you linked to, the poster ends by saying "maybe Dad should drop his woodworking hobby and get a real job that offers health insurance rather than making people like me (also with 4 kids in a 600sf smaller house and tuition $16,000 less per kid and no commercial property ownership) pay for it in my taxes."

Mr. Frost owns a cabinet-building business as I understood it; it's not a fucking "woodworking hobby."

The writer also ASSumes that Mr. Frost could go out and get a job earning more than $45-50,000 he and his wife now earn together, with medical benefits. I don't think Baltimore's economy is that good.

The writer at FR also opines that Mr. Frost chose not to buy health insurance and that his wife works in the business and he chose not to buy her health insurance, either. I'm not sure if he mentioned whether the kids had health insurance.

Entrepeneurs, who are strongly supported by Bush's rhetoric, often have difficulty buying health insurance, a fact Bush of course ignores.

This FReeper is probably one of those who claim to be good Christians but is clearly envious that the Frost's home is 600 sf larger than his, clearly envious that Mr. Frost has remodeled his family's home, and clearly envious that their children were "lucky" enough to get in an auto accident that entitled them to some help from the state. Envy is one of the seven deadly sins.

WHY DOESN"T THAT FREEPER GET A BETTER JOB HIMSELF, hmmm?

I was in a serious auto accident when I was 9 and it was no fun, you freeper morons. Picking on injured children shows what your heart is made of -- stone.

The boy's sister had injuries such that she is now in a special school. How lucky she is!

I am really pissed off at that nasty attitude. I also noticed one of the responses said "Ping Savage Nation." Yeah, let's get Savage Weiner in on the kid-bashing party. Incredible inhumanity exhibited at FR. I shouldn't be surprised but this is low, even for them.

:grr: :grr: :grr:
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:30 AM
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15. I took a look at those FreeRepublic posts, and they really are repellent.
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 11:33 AM by brentspeak
First, they celebrated and congratulated themselves on their "investigative reporting".

Then, when it was discovered they didn't know what the hell they were talking about after all, came the excuses:

(paraphrased)

"I just know the Frosts are living off of some trust-fund from a rich grandparent. I don't have the proof yet, but I just know."

Finally, the predictable insults and rants:

"The mom's name is 'Randy'! Now that's got to hurt!"

And about a million variations on this theme:

"Why am I paying for their kids' medical care?" (Strangely enough, the Freepers who voiced this complaint don't seem to mind that their tax dollars are paying for the mansions and yachts of Halliburton executives and oil company presidents. Um, duh??)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:01 PM
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18. Rimjob must screen for IQs under 60. n/t
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 01:55 PM
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19. Don't underestimate the Freepers. They are not dumb.
Is Newt Gingrinch dumb? Or Rush Limbaugh? Or Antonin Scalia? Or Ted Olsen?

Neither are the Freepers. Like the luminaries above, they are mean, not dumb.

It is being so mean-spirited that makes them look stupid to us.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:16 PM
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23. Neither are DUers
ICWHATUDO stated that since all the info he posted is readily assessable online, it was ok to post the address and other info about the family. He claims that he spent about three hours googling.

I did some googling of my own. I have determined what city he lives in and what school his children attend. Got a nifty photo of him too. I figure another couple of hours, and I will have his last name and address. We all leave a trail.

My only problem is that I am wrestling with the ethical decision of what to do with the info once I get it all gathered. Something this poster did not do.

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:27 PM
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25. Eagles Up!
Sooooo hardcore.

:eyes:
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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:30 PM
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26. Actually I think it would be great to show a family that has
some means being a part of SCHIP. It will never ever be used this way, but I think it would be great none the less.

By showing a family that is hard working, has some resources, and makes a modest income with their own home, who needs SCHIP to help with medical bills could show more and more people that this nation needs help with its medical system. If the people that have a chance at providing for themselves cannot afford medical care, what chance do the rest of us have? I think we need people to stand up and say that they have some money, but even they cannot afford insurance or medical bills any more. Or how there needs to be a safety net for people when they are in trouble, like when the Frost children had their accident and more intensive help was needed than could reasonably be afforded by the family. The government should be there for that too. This could easily be counter-spun into a rallying cry for universal healthcare. But it won't. There will be too much hate, and no one will hear the message.

As a side note, I'm not saying the Frost family is rich. I don't know them, only what i have read about them. I was just doing a little intellectual exercise for lack of better term.
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