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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:41 AM
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I still don't get how the climate change stuff equates to Peace? re: the environmental people and
the Nobel peace prize.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:44 AM
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1. What do you think's going to happen when two billion people have no place to live?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:46 AM
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3. I'm sure there are more than 2 billion homeless in the world already
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:46 AM
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4. Why be obtuse?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:47 AM
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5. I wasn't
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:48 AM
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7. Why play little games?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:48 AM
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9. I don't
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:49 AM
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11. You really were.
If, say, Nigeria were to become unable to support human life due to a mass drought that turns it into a desert area, what do you think would happen?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:50 AM
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12. I really wasn't. I could be wrong but I'd think 2 billion homeless in the world is not too

far off the mark.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:38 AM
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22. How about no drinking water for a billion people?
You think there would be any fighting over water? There is going to be major conflicts because of environmental conditions and the US Military is already working on the problems it expects to occur.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:58 PM
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23. There are 100 million homeless worldwide. That's 1/20th of your figure.
Moreover, we're not just talking about homelessness. We're talking about mass starvation, mass drought, spread of diseases due to loss of clean drinking water. We're talking about a worldwide spike in food prices. We're talking about wars fought over water resources, and entire nations losing agricultural sufficiency. Redistributing the world's rain patterns would have wide-ranging consequences for much of the world.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:46 AM
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2. Resource wars are very real...
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 10:48 AM by Hell Hath No Fury
and going on right now -- like in Iraq.

On edit: Also be aware that there are Nobel prizes for things other than "work for peace" -- such as science, literature, etc.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:48 AM
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6. Think Netherlands underwater along with low lying Pacific island states
And then think how they view the largest carbon emitters, US, EU, China, India, Japan, Russia.

They think of the US first

Climate change: The big emitters
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3143798.stm

and then mainly as the biggest footdragger on Kyoto etc. They hate us because of our freedom, freedom to pollute possibly ?
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:48 AM
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8. Environmental catastrophes are the greatest destabilizing factor in the world.
Personally, I'm not sure I'd vote to give it to Gore (as much as I like him), but nothing has throughout history shattered governments and collapsed societies like droughts, shifts in rainfall patterns, and other resource shortages.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:49 AM
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10. Pentagon report about the consequences of global climate change (re: national security,)
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 10:50 AM by Mabus
A hair-raising (PDF) Pentagon report on the potentially imminent and colossal national security threat posed by climate change has been making its way around the Internet since its release in late January, and this week it picked up considerable speed.

Fortune magazine was the first major news outlet to cover the report; the "Climate Collapse" feature in its Jan. 26 issue raised many an eyebrow in business and Beltway circles. Then, this past Sunday, a somewhat more histrionic article on the report ran in the British Observer and has been swirling through blogs and listservs.

http://www.grist.org/news/muck/2004/02/25/pentagoners/


edited to make subject line more coherent.
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:51 AM
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13. "reduce greenhouse gas emissions today...or we will pay the price later in military terms"
General Anthony Zinni:

http://www.nature.com/climate/2007/0710/full/climate.2007.56.html

See also:

Global climate change presents a serious national security threat which could impact Americans at home, impact US military operations, and heighten global tensions, according to a new study released by a blue-ribbon panel of retired admirals and generals from the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines.

http://securityandclimate.cna.org/report/
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:51 AM
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14. Here's a website of the past winners. They seem to represent a broad number of causes:
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:53 AM
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15. So basically it doesn't have to actually be trying to achieve peace

which is fine, it's their award.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:56 AM
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16. Wangari Maathai is an environmentalist in Kenya, who also ran
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 10:58 AM by paxmusa
for government offices. She won in 2004. Her story seems the most similar to Gore.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:10 AM
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20. Connect the dots. Global climate destabilization will lead to
massive conflict, war, and death

If fighting global climate change isn't a way to promote peace, i don't know what the hell is.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:02 AM
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17. Gore is calling attention to GW and its consequences...rising sea levels
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 11:03 AM by opihimoimoi
will cause Humankind into a die off....perhaps 4 to 5 BILLION will suffer /perish due to FAMINE/WAR/PESTILENCE...

Resouces are already stretched thin....in 5 years or so......The Earth will have 7 to 7.5 BILLION PEEPS living while todays resouces will have diminished.....

Voila....Death on a massive scale....

THAT IS....Unless we do something....and GORE is ATTEMPTING JUYST THAT...

The answers are here but we refuse to even bring that up...pity
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:06 AM
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18. For one thing if we were to develop solar and wind power and
adapt it for our primary source of electrical power it would take away the excuse that other nations such as North Korea and Iran have for developing nuclear power.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:07 AM
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19. Massive global climate change >>>> famine and emergency
relocation of millions of people >>>> social unrest >>>> WAR and NEEDLESS DEATH
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:16 AM
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21. This post is a very obvious attempt to stir the pot.
Hmm... Reminds me of the tactics of some people from that "other" site. :eyes:
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