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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:09 PM
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Madame, Who Do You Speak FOR and What IS On The Table? What Will You Do Without The Base?
The Madame of the house sits with Democratic elites and Republican lites. On the table is "Habeas Corpus Surprise": roasted Constitution with a mangled Bill of Rights stuffed in its mouth. Candles are lit, soft music plays, glasses are raised. The discussion is very civilized and non-partisan, since the only party that matters is the party they are at.

A large picture window looks down on Madame's estate, where the base uninvited have gathered. Trying to get Madame's attention, they wear "Impeach" across their chests. They build all kinds of things in the garden. They hang clothes from the trees.

The trees have been broken, branches are missing: the legislative branch supports Madame's table of elites, the judicial branch is in the pocket of the pretender who joins the president deeper in Madame's mansion. Together they use the executive branch to club the shrunken government, gasping for air in the bathtub.

The elites and the lites have finished the meal and prepare for entertainment. The legislative leg is removed from the table, which tilts toward a hole in the floor. The leavings from the table are swept away, as the party surges to the window to watch.

An opening appears in the mansion wall above the base. A chute emerges and funnels the party’s leavings into a trough in the yard full of signs. The base pick through the trough for something of value, finding shreds of parchment amongst trampled Rights: a “We The” here ... a “People” there ...

The party lites and elites view with amusement as the alarmed base scramble to retrieve shreds and scraps of meaning from the slimy trough. Bits of vellum and ink are worth nothing against the stacks of gold, the spigots of blood and treasure controlled from above by the power of the purse.

The base collect the scraps of their inherited commonwealth, turn their back on the party, the elites, the lites and go to build a new table.





"What people fail to understand is what happens when you go down that slippery slope we've gone down... regarding our civil liberties... people keep saying "We'll get them back, we'll get them back later" but it's very difficult to climb back up that hill... " -- John Dean on Randi Rhodes show 10-10-07

"You can just imagine my neighbors' reaction to all this. If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they would be arrested for loitering. But because they have 'Impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment. ... So I'm well aware of the unhappiness of the base." – Nancy Pelosi “has candid talk with reporters” 10-10-07

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/10/10/MNTJSN2A7.DTL&hw=pelosi&sn=001&sc=1000

More concerned about angering the neighbors than representing the American people and defending the Constitution, unable to give a believable answer as to why impeachment is “off the table,” will Madame Speaker and other Democrats be surprised when millions more of the base no longer support Democrats or even bother to vote?



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:22 PM
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1. Too bad we're not more poor, Nancy. You could have had us arrested.

"Poor" in this context being code for "homeless".

:puke:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:24 PM
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3. they're not "homeless"
they're "campers" !!! (in Ronald Reagan's Morning In America)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:26 PM
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4. Her disregard for the homeless in this city is more nauseating
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 09:30 PM by sfexpat2000
than her disregard for the base or for the Constitution.

That's it for me. That's the capper.

Edit: And thanks, omega, for giving me the topic of the next impeachment rant. See how it works?

:hug:
:grouphug:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:31 PM
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6. the class war is evident at every level. Dems better getta clue that the "base" is not stoopid
her comment about winning in R districts made me think she cares more for R lite than D's.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:40 PM
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7. This is a small town. I am her neighbor and she's going to know
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 09:52 PM by sfexpat2000
what I think about all this. Maybe I can get it into the Street Sheet and it will go out all over the district. I can't tell you how angry that comment made me. There may be a political motivation to fend off impeachment, if not a moral one.

I can't think of a reason (that any decent human being would cop to) to treat our homeless neighbors in such a cavalier manner.

:nuke:

/too mad to type, sorry
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:46 PM
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8. hoist on her own petard
:bounce:

"There may be a political motivation to fend off impeachment, if not a moral one."

There hasn't been any actual answer, has there? Ever?

And are Dems going to get stuck when they keep counting on the very "base" that they treat in such a base manner?

People are going to QUIT VOTING.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:48 PM
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9. I know. And it's likely that the checkbooks won't be coming out either.
I'd like to think that I'm naive and wrong. But, I don't.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:54 PM
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12. could be a good thing
revealing that "cavalier" snideness may make folks :think: about who is being represented... or not.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:23 PM
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2. yes, yes, yes....
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 09:25 PM by unkachuck
....Madame Speaker (and others) need to remember, that we, the base, did not elect Republicans in '06 to do anything, but we did elect (and expected) Democrats to end this disgusting war and administration....
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:28 PM
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5. and gave them a majority
The article squeezed in a little civics:

"Democrats, with the support of two independent senators, hold a 51-49 edge in the Senate, far short of the 60 votes necessary to break a filibuster that can stall action on legislation. Democrats hold a 232-200 edge in the House where the minority party has far fewer procedural tools at its disposal to interrupt the will of the majority."


... making it sound like their hands are tied and neglecting to mention the procedural tools that ARE at their disposal.



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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:50 PM
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10. K&R.
Thanks, OM.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:52 PM
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11. K!
:pals:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:57 PM
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13. Yeah, bring it
Build a new table and bring it to it. Bring anything, and bring it to a god damn TV tray for christ sakes!
:argh:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:00 PM
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14. kudo to Swamp Rat
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:43 PM
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15. A Sam Rayburn she ain't
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:52 PM
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16. Bring it on, Nancy Olay! Let the country see the real you,
the one who threw a week of inaugural parties to accept a gavel. You are but a bad joke on all of us.

You never fooled me because I could see through you just like the kid and the emperor.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 03:06 AM
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17. She Currently Speaks For The Torturing Class
The DC/Euphemedia Analstocracy who continue to circle their luxury wagons around these war criminals.

It is the cancer growing on this once-great nation.

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:57 PM
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19. That's what you get when
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 02:57 PM by omega minimo
cowboys are in charge..........

:thumbsdown:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:38 PM
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18. That's a great quote by Dean
"What people fail to understand is what happens when you go down that slippery slope we've gone down... regarding our civil liberties... people keep saying "We'll get them back, we'll get them back later" but it's very difficult to climb back up that hill... " -- John Dean on Randi Rhodes show 10-10-07".

I'm a little surprised by it, however, becaue the last time I heard him speak on the issue of impeachment of Bush he was against it. I wonder if he's changed his mind?
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:09 PM
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20. Dunno
He's a remarkably calm and lucid voice, writing and speaking about the right things in a sane way. Link to his findlaw columns below. I heard him on one of the right wing loony's radio show too -- a right bait and switch bastard -- and Dean didn't miss a beat, didn't take the bait and impressed the hatemonger host with his coolness.


The week he was on, Randi was still in denial about impeachment and I don't think it was addressed in that interview. She had been acting more and more neurotic on air as she connected all the dots and DIDN'T call for impeachment -- last week she finally kinda sorta did.

I haven't heard JD's position on it.

Has Pelosi ever given any real believable answer for her position? The Dems in the bubble don't realize how MANY Americans are just turning away, turning off.

Combined with being told by the Euphemedia ( a nod to Senator) that Hillary is a no-brainer for Nov. 08, folks are just not gonna vote and Dems will be shocked at their failed gamble.









http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/


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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:46 PM
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21. She may be aware of the unhappiness of her base,

but she isn't getting the SIZE of her base who, more and more each day, are madder than hornets that she's not doing her constitutional duty.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:16 PM
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22. Well said. Thank you.
:applause:
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:22 PM
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23. Since she is the Speaker, isn't her base expanded to
the entire Democratic party?? And 70% of the American people want out of Iraq??? I just don't get why she thinks things should be different because she's the speaker.



:hi: :hi: :hi:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:25 PM
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24. I respect her position to be Speaker for the whole House of Representatives.
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 04:25 PM by omega minimo
She is not the Speaker for the Democratic Party.

However, it is NOT her right or her choice to willfully ignore crimes against the nation or refuse to represent the will of the majority of the American people.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:56 PM
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25. Sure, I know, but now she should want to listen to all dems,
just not in her base, as well as all Americans. And stand up for her duties as Speaker to defend the Constitution:

http://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2007/10/11/%e2%80%9ci-do-not-see-the-connection-between-torture-and-impeachment/

Unbelievable.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 05:27 PM
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26. Exactly
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